2013 - Player retirements/delistings/trade discussion

[Brodlach]

Bigmen always take Longer to develop too.

[hawks21]

Savage not in the Hawks best 22, Hickey not as good as McEvoy and has not played enough to ruck the whole game. They will desperately need to find another bigman.

Graham Wright mentioned that the Hawks still want Billy Longer as well.

Saints must be working on some other deals.

Wright mentioned they still want Longer but it would be harder to convince him to come to the Hawks now. Expect him to go somewhere else to ensure an AFL game each week.

Savage played 15 games in 2013 didnt he? Handy pick up.

Saints are rebuilding massively and sounds like are loading up on draft picks. Expect a 2nd rounder for Dal Santo also.

Deal might not look so bad in the long run for the saints

[wycbloods]

Happy hawk here. Great to have a quality number one ruck man in the team. Sad to see savage go I think he can really play but understand why he'd want to go.

Be good to get another quality on baller over the next fortnight.

[Johno6]

Simon Black to retire and become assistant coach at the swans, or something to that effect

[woodublieve12]

Simon Black to retire and become assistant coach at the swans, or something to that effect

nice

[gadj1976]

Jordan Bannister the former Carlton/Essendon player/umpire has quit umpiring to care for his brother who is a quadriplegic after an accident in April this year. Terrible news

It would have been good to have more umpires who have played the game and I think more should be done to capture younger players who leave the AFL system and try and get them into umpiring.

Legitimate question, was he any better than the rest of them because he was seen as having more of a feel for the game?

Or did the umpires finish up turning him into a moronic robot with no sense of the game?

It's shocking news about his brother however but the comment about getting more ex players into the system needs further investigation on many counts.

"feel for the game" is such a cop out when talking about umpiring. It suggests that the umpires should be continually altering their interpretation of the rules based on how the game is unfolding. Yet we also hear the same people bleating about consistency. If umpires were truly worse than the average pundit despite hours of training and coaching then getting better ones would be easy.

Not to mention when you look at how we all treat umpires, you start to wonder why the heck to any of them bother? Bust ass, do the best you can in a role that the game can't proceed without and 24/7 you cop crap. Read some of the comments about the ump who won the house and how less deserving he was of winning and no wonder we have trouble getting any.

Hey Graham, I was more meaning that if there is a whistle and a player kicks the ball away BELIEVING it was a free kick to their team, that the umpire should understand that it's not 50, IF THEY HAVE A FEEL FOR THE GAME.

When a player runs past the mark and puts their hands in the air, whilst not looking at the player with the ball, don't pay a 50 because it's clearly not there.

You'll note that the rules of the game are vastly different from the interpretive component we have to put up with today.

I believe there still is an element whereby having a feel for the game is a valuable and worthwhile component. Most umpires are robotic to the interpretations just to get their KPI's sadly.

[Rik E Boy]

Feel for the game is just a euphemism for 'common sense' umpiring.

regards,

REB

[Spargo]

Feel for the game is just a euphemism for 'common sense' umpiring.

regards,

REB

Which is as common as rocking horse shit.

[FOURTH ESTATE]

You been to the Big Rocking Horse at Gumeracha lately the Manure Bags are HUGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just ask Doug Hawkins about the manure!!!!!!

[Jim05]

Dal Santo has nominated Essendon as the club he wants to be traded to

[FOURTH ESTATE]

Wants to join Goddard or get the peptides so he can play longer

[Footy Smart]

Couple of trade rumours/chatter

Everitt being enquired about by GWS and Melb

Collingwood looking at Tony Armstrong and Jesse White

Crows offering Jarrod Lyons to Brisbane for Polec

Saints looking at Jon Giles

Saints shut down Ports attempt at Rhys Stanley after offloading McEvoy

[woodublieve12]

Couple of trade rumours/chatter

Everitt being enquired about by GWS and Melb

Collingwood looking at Tony Armstrong :oops: and Jesse White

Crows offering Jarrod Lyons to Brisbane for Polec

Saints looking at Jon Giles

Saints shut down Ports attempt at Rhys Stanley after offloading McEvoy

they can have him for nothing

[valleys07]

Couple of trade rumours/chatter

Everitt being enquired about by GWS and Melb

Collingwood looking at Tony Armstrong and Jesse White

Crows offering Jarrod Lyons to Brisbane for Polec

Saints looking at Jon Giles

Saints shut down Ports attempt at Rhys Stanley after offloading McEvoy

Didnt know about that- not sure why we would be after another ruckman, surely a perma forward would be on our radar?

[Footy Smart]

Couple of trade rumours/chatter

Everitt being enquired about by GWS and Melb

Collingwood looking at Tony Armstrong and Jesse White

Crows offering Jarrod Lyons to Brisbane for Polec

Saints looking at Jon Giles

Saints shut down Ports attempt at Rhys Stanley after offloading McEvoy

Didnt know about that- not sure why we would be after another ruckman, surely a perma forward would be on our radar?

He's versatile and id say u would have be looking at him as a FWD/2nd ruck more that outright ruckman.

Also talk around that Heater has said he wants to go to Geelong

[valleys07]

Yeah- might as well persist with Butcher if we are looking at ruckman/forwards instead of a perma forward who is an improvement.

At the end of the day its no secret that next year is make or break for Butch- has an average year next year and I dare say we will be going hammer and tong for a key forward in next years FA / trade period.

[Footy Smart]

Yeah- might as well persist with Butcher if we are looking at ruckman/forwards instead of a perma forward who is an improvement.

At the end of the day its no secret that next year is make or break for Butch- has an average year next year and I dare say we will be going hammer and tong for a key forward in next years FA / trade period.

Yeah from what ive read, the interest in Stanley was to free up Westoff which would make sense.

[valleys07]

Yeah- might as well persist with Butcher if we are looking at ruckman/forwards instead of a perma forward who is an improvement.

At the end of the day its no secret that next year is make or break for Butch- has an average year next year and I dare say we will be going hammer and tong for a key forward in next years FA / trade period.

Yeah from what ive read, the interest in Stanley was to free up Westoff which would make sense.

Ah yes- makes sense. Westoff as a roaming defender for an entire game would be very handy.

[Footy Smart]

Yeah- might as well persist with Butcher if we are looking at ruckman/forwards instead of a perma forward who is an improvement.

At the end of the day its no secret that next year is make or break for Butch- has an average year next year and I dare say we will be going hammer and tong for a key forward in next years FA / trade period.

Yeah from what ive read, the interest in Stanley was to free up Westoff which would make sense.

Ah yes- makes sense. Westoff as a roaming defender for an entire game would be very handy.

yep or pinch on the wing, or another higher lead up FWD is always good

[tigerpie]

Armstrong!!! No thanks.