Grade Cricket

[bulldogproud2]

Certainly a bit of controversy with team selections in the Adelaide versus West Torrens A Grade match. Trent Lawford was ruled out by SACA for the first day's play but played the second, replacing Vince Valente. Under SACA's by-laws, Lawford was required to be named on the official team sheet as a replacement player for Vince Valente. This did not occur. As such, Lawford should only have been allowed to replace a bowler as the by-laws state 'like-for-like' replacements. As Vince Valente is not a bowler, this went against the by-laws.
In the end, Adelaide won by 17 runs, with Lawford contributing 29 of these.
Will be interesting to see if SACA have the intestinal fortitude to act on this in the coming week.
Cheers

[Tony Clifton]

Don't players like Lawford, Gregory, Brown etc count as batters or bowlers? Given that they excel at both at grade level. Adel would have had to apply for a permit during the week. Assume it was granted if he played.

[Aerie]

I wouldn't have thought there was any issue. Adelaide as good as had the game won after stumps on day one and Lawford is probably more dangerous as a batsman at Grade level anyway. Was approved before the 2nd days play.

West Torrens need to win and two of Woodville, East Torrens and Adelaide lose.

Kensington just needs one of Woodville, East Torrens or Adelaide to lose and they are in with their bye in the last round.

Tea Tree Gully take over as flag favourites.

[heater31]

Certainly a bit of controversy with team selections in the Adelaide versus West Torrens A Grade match. Trent Lawford was ruled out by SACA for the first day's play but played the second, replacing Vince Valente. Under SACA's by-laws, Lawford was required to be named on the official team sheet as a replacement player for Vince Valente. This did not occur. As such, Lawford should only have been allowed to replace a bowler as the by-laws state 'like-for-like' replacements. As Vince Valente is not a bowler, this went against the by-laws.
In the end, Adelaide won by 17 runs, with Lawford contributing 29 of these.
Will be interesting to see if SACA have the intestinal fortitude to act on this in the coming week.
Cheers

Change was approved by SACA.

Shrek desperately wanted to play both days but failed the fitness test for day one. So week 2 it was.

[bulldogproud2]

Don't players like Lawford, Gregory, Brown etc count as batters or bowlers? Given that they excel at both at grade level. Adel would have had to apply for a permit during the week. Assume it was granted if he played.

There can be no question that Lawford is more a bowler than a batsman and is selected in the State team as such. No problems re him being allowed to play on the second day, but the player he was replacing on the second day should have been named on the team sheet as such and, for all intents and purposes, should have been a bowler, or at least a bowling all-rounder. I don't think that Vince Valente has done much bowling this year. Yes, a permit was allowed for Lawford to play on the second day, but surely Valente was the wrong player to be replaced.

Btw, will be interesting to see from now on if all players who are out injured or for personal reasons for the first day of games are allowed to play on the second. Lawford was not coming back from State duty so it pretty much opens the road for any player to only play half a match.

As for the game being over on Day One, I would not be confident at 7/200 chasing 212 of guaranteeing a win!!

Cheers

[Tony Clifton]

Seems like your issue is with the ruling, not on whether he played.

I think it's fine. Lawford has an A Grade double century to his name, at this level he's an allrounder. He bats in their top six.

Injured state squad players coming in halfway through a game has always happened and will always happen.

Also, the permit Adelaide received would have been for Lawford to come in for Valente, not just to play.

[bulldogproud2]

Seems like your issue is with the ruling, not on whether he played.

I think it's fine. Lawford has an A Grade double century to his name, at this level he's an allrounder. He bats in their top six.

Injured state squad players coming in halfway through a game has always happened and will always happen.

Also, the permit Adelaide received would have been for Lawford to come in for Valente, not just to play.

Maybe my memory is crash hot, but this is actually the first time I can ever recall an injured player being allowed to play on the second day, having missed the first. Yes, State players come into teams if they have a State duty on the first day but are available on the second. However, as stated before, this is the first time in my recollection that a player has actually been ruled unfit for day one but been allowed to play on day two.

Re qualification as a batsman, rules appear to have been more tightly applied in the past. Tim Neilsen, despite having on numerous occasions won the Batting Aggregate was never allowed to be replaced by a batsman, always a keeper only. Also, Ben Higgins, despite having won the bowling award on numerous occasions, was never allowed to be replaced by a bowler, only a batsman.

Cheers

[C Horse]

Don't players like Lawford, Gregory, Brown etc count as batters or bowlers? Given that they excel at both at grade level. Adel would have had to apply for a permit during the week. Assume it was granted if he played.

There can be no question that Lawford is more a bowler than a batsman and is selected in the State team as such. No problems re him being allowed to play on the second day, but the player he was replacing on the second day should have been named on the team sheet as such and, for all intents and purposes, should have been a bowler, or at least a bowling all-rounder. I don't think that Vince Valente has done much bowling this year. Yes, a permit was allowed for Lawford to play on the second day, but surely Valente was the wrong player to be replaced.

Btw, will be interesting to see from now on if all players who are out injured or for personal reasons for the first day of games are allowed to play on the second. Lawford was not coming back from State duty so it pretty much opens the road for any player to only play half a match.

As for the game being over on Day One, I would not be confident at 7/200 chasing 212 of guaranteeing a win!!

Cheers

Pull your head in.
Any state contracted player that is out injured can return to Grade Cricket at any time once SACA clear him to play.
Not only that, your argument is flawed given if he replaced a bowler, it would have strengthened Adelaides batting and made them more likely to win.
Finally, Adelaide did not win by "17 runs" they won by 3 wickets. The chasing team wins by wickets. Always.

It's unfortunate that your club were not able to win a match where the opposition had a decent player come back in week 2 and score 29 runs. That's 29 by the way, not 209.
All the best for the weekend.

[Footy Smart]

Yep, Joe Mennie played the second week against us when Uni’s were bowling defending a smallish total. That’s part of the game, and for the strength of the comp, these players need to play when fit, even if it means second week and a side loses as a result of their performance.

[heater31]

Yep, Joe Mennie played the second week against us when Uni’s were bowling defending a smallish total. That’s part of the game, and for the strength of the comp, these players need to play when fit, even if it means second week and a side loses as a result of their performance.

Have no issue with state players returning mid game provided they were injured playing for SACA. As I said Trent desperately wanted to play both weeks but failed the fitness test for week 1.


This sort of stuff is always going to happen and Adelaide were on the other side of the coin last year v TTG. Had them 8 down chasing 130 or less still needing plenty and Travis Head subbed in as the not out batsman overnight (forget who was slashed) he got them over the line.


*SACA selectors please feel free to leave Shrek, Fud and Raph behind from this week's trip to Brisbane so we are full strength

[Burras]

Seems like your issue is with the ruling, not on whether he played.

I think it's fine. Lawford has an A Grade double century to his name, at this level he's an allrounder. He bats in their top six.

Injured state squad players coming in halfway through a game has always happened and will always happen.

Also, the permit Adelaide received would have been for Lawford to come in for Valente, not just to play.

Maybe my memory is crash hot, but this is actually the first time I can ever recall an injured player being allowed to play on the second day, having missed the first. Yes, State players come into teams if they have a State duty on the first day but are available on the second. However, as stated before, this is the first time in my recollection that a player has actually been ruled unfit for day one but been allowed to play on day two.

Re qualification as a batsman, rules appear to have been more tightly applied in the past. Tim Neilsen, despite having on numerous occasions won the Batting Aggregate was never allowed to be replaced by a batsman, always a keeper only. Also, Ben Higgins, despite having won the bowling award on numerous occasions, was never allowed to be replaced by a bowler, only a batsman.

Cheers

Dont you think that it would be a good thing for Lawford to be replaced by a batter not by a bowler. This would mean Adelaide would get an extra batter by replacing a bowler for Lawford. As you said Adelaide only go the runs 7 down.. He didnt take a wicket with the bowl so really didnt make too much of an impact. Think you probably got a good deal out of it, Adelaide could have easily dropped a Lavender (who cant bat) for Lawford and gained an extra batter!

[bulldogproud2]

I accept that I was wrong. However, I still believe a side should have to name the replacement player and the actual player to be replaced on the initial team sheet on day one. The player to be replaced should then not allowed to be changed in day two.
Cheers

[Tony Clifton]

Bradman Medal?

Sam Raphael? Jake Brown? Tim Evans? Cameron Valente?

Woodville have won plenty of games. Who'll get their votes?

[heater31]

Bradman Medal?

Sam Raphael? Jake Brown? Tim Evans? Cameron Valente?

Woodville have won plenty of games. Who'll get their votes?

Surely Raphael will go into the night as the red hot favorite. Almost 800 runs at 60. Generally he does well Adelaide wins.

[Eagles2014]

Bradman Medal?

Sam Raphael? Jake Brown? Tim Evans? Cameron Valente?

Woodville have won plenty of games. Who'll get their votes?

Surely Raphael will go into the night as the red hot favorite. Almost 800 runs at 60. Generally he does well Adelaide wins.

Reckon Raphael a certainty. Valente will poll well too, but Adelaide won lots of games.

Woodville be shared around, same with TTG and ET. Agree Jake Brown the danger, been consistent as usual.

[Eagles2014]

Yep, Joe Mennie played the second week against us when Uni’s were bowling defending a smallish total. That’s part of the game, and for the strength of the comp, these players need to play when fit, even if it means second week and a side loses as a result of their performance.

Have no issue with state players returning mid game provided they were injured playing for SACA. As I said Trent desperately wanted to play both weeks but failed the fitness test for week 1.


This sort of stuff is always going to happen and Adelaide were on the other side of the coin last year v TTG. Had them 8 down chasing 130 or less still needing plenty and Travis Head subbed in as the not out batsman overnight (forget who was slashed) he got them over the line.


*SACA selectors please feel free to leave Shrek, Fud and Raph behind from this week's trip to Brisbane so we are full strength

Your wish Heater has not come true!!

Both Valente and Lawford in the 12 to play QLD, but you do keep Raf!

Barnes was reported on the weekend too, that would be massive loss now if he got suspended with the other two out.

Go Prospect, lol!!

[heater31]

Yep, Joe Mennie played the second week against us when Uni’s were bowling defending a smallish total. That’s part of the game, and for the strength of the comp, these players need to play when fit, even if it means second week and a side loses as a result of their performance.

Have no issue with state players returning mid game provided they were injured playing for SACA. As I said Trent desperately wanted to play both weeks but failed the fitness test for week 1.


This sort of stuff is always going to happen and Adelaide were on the other side of the coin last year v TTG. Had them 8 down chasing 130 or less still needing plenty and Travis Head subbed in as the not out batsman overnight (forget who was slashed) he got them over the line.


*SACA selectors please feel free to leave Shrek, Fud and Raph behind from this week's trip to Brisbane so we are full strength

Your wish Heater has not come true!!

Both Valente and Lawford in the 12 to play QLD, but you do keep Raf!

Barnes was reported on the weekend too, that would be massive loss now if he got suspended with the other two out.

Go Prospect, lol!!

Yep it's all unraveling.....Barnes never reported before so who knows what they will do. I don't know what charge either. Injuries at the obligatory end of season fun drill too

[Eagles2014]

Yep, Joe Mennie played the second week against us when Uni’s were bowling defending a smallish total. That’s part of the game, and for the strength of the comp, these players need to play when fit, even if it means second week and a side loses as a result of their performance.

Have no issue with state players returning mid game provided they were injured playing for SACA. As I said Trent desperately wanted to play both weeks but failed the fitness test for week 1.


This sort of stuff is always going to happen and Adelaide were on the other side of the coin last year v TTG. Had them 8 down chasing 130 or less still needing plenty and Travis Head subbed in as the not out batsman overnight (forget who was slashed) he got them over the line.


*SACA selectors please feel free to leave Shrek, Fud and Raph behind from this week's trip to Brisbane so we are full strength

Your wish Heater has not come true!!

Both Valente and Lawford in the 12 to play QLD, but you do keep Raf!

Barnes was reported on the weekend too, that would be massive loss now if he got suspended with the other two out.

Go Prospect, lol!!

Yep it's all unraveling.....Barnes never reported before so who knows what they will do. I don't know what charge either. Injuries at the obligatory end of season fun drill too

Barnsey went off his nut to the umpire who gave him LBW, he reckons he smashed it. Foul language used basically, they said they had a Zero tolerance re having go at umpires this year, so will be interesting. He will probably get a reprimand.

Lucky you are playing bottom team this week, Prospect have relied on Whiteley and Miller all year, now with Whiteley gone, all relies on Miller and his form has really dried up lately, so reckon you will get the win you need to play finals!

[Footy Smart]

Raph a shoe in for the Bradman, but Browny is always a chance with 20 wickets and 600 runs.

[Tony Clifton]

Yep, Joe Mennie played the second week against us when Uni’s were bowling defending a smallish total. That’s part of the game, and for the strength of the comp, these players need to play when fit, even if it means second week and a side loses as a result of their performance.

Have no issue with state players returning mid game provided they were injured playing for SACA. As I said Trent desperately wanted to play both weeks but failed the fitness test for week 1.


This sort of stuff is always going to happen and Adelaide were on the other side of the coin last year v TTG. Had them 8 down chasing 130 or less still needing plenty and Travis Head subbed in as the not out batsman overnight (forget who was slashed) he got them over the line.


*SACA selectors please feel free to leave Shrek, Fud and Raph behind from this week's trip to Brisbane so we are full strength

Your wish Heater has not come true!!

Both Valente and Lawford in the 12 to play QLD, but you do keep Raf!

Barnes was reported on the weekend too, that would be massive loss now if he got suspended with the other two out.

Go Prospect, lol!!

Yep it's all unraveling.....Barnes never reported before so who knows what they will do. I don't know what charge either. Injuries at the obligatory end of season fun drill too

What's the end of season fun drill?