Delegates Meeting

[NO-MERCY]

where did the league get the money to purchase these computers for the clubs?

Probably the money they're hoping to get from all clubs for sponsors of the copied footy budget.

[aceman]

and here i am thinking that all the fines etc were going to good use

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On Saturday our C grade umpire took crook at the game, no replacement was available so after a discussion with the Uni umpire, it was decided (he was in agreeance)that he would umpire solo and we paid him our share of the fee to do the job. He was okay about it at the time but now we've copped a $500 fine for not supplying an umpire.
There's a big fight coming up over this, believe me!

bad game for an observer to turn up to. yep, we were in agreeance and i certainly didn't know that, even if agreed, fines would still be applied. i guess, however, we were all told that fines would be rigorously applied this year (even if the fines are fundamentally stupid).

large oval to umpire singly on as well.

So that begs the question, on the opening round of the season, why send an umpire's observer to a C grade game when there are far more important games to observe under the control of appointed umpires rather than club umpires?
Can anyone answer that for me?

[aceman]

where did the league get the money to purchase these computers for the clubs?

Probably the money they're hoping to get from all clubs for sponsors of the copied footy budget.

Fines NM, fines, even at this early stage!

[Lads]

and here i am thinking that all the fines etc were going to good use

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On Saturday our C grade umpire took crook at the game, no replacement was available so after a discussion with the Uni umpire, it was decided (he was in agreeance)that he would umpire solo and we paid him our share of the fee to do the job. He was okay about it at the time but now we've copped a $500 fine for not supplying an umpire.
There's a big fight coming up over this, believe me!

bad game for an observer to turn up to. yep, we were in agreeance and i certainly didn't know that, even if agreed, fines would still be applied. i guess, however, we were all told that fines would be rigorously applied this year (even if the fines are fundamentally stupid).

large oval to umpire singly on as well.

So that begs the question, on the opening round of the season, why send an umpire's observer to a C grade game when there are far more important games to observe under the control of appointed umpires rather than club umpires?
Can anyone answer that for me?

He must have gone for the loving atmosphere and the hospitality of the gepps cross footy club who can blame him

[aceman]

He must have gone for the loving atmosphere and the hospitality of the gepps cross footy club who can blame him


Now Lads, the game was played at Uni!

[Lads]

He must have gone for the loving atmosphere and the hospitality of the gepps cross footy club who can blame him


Now Lads, the game was played at Uni!

See how confused he must of been

[old moz]

$500 fine for no club umpire Vs $200 for foreit. better off throwing in the towel and prevent 40 plus real amateur footballers having a game on a saty arvo. [ and god forbid that blokes just want to have a kick and catch without 'Big Brother' hanging around ]. and as has been said why would an umps observer go to a C1 game on the first round to look at club umpires when they have so many of their own to look at. smells a bit fishy all round

[turk186]

Doesn't hurt that the CEO receives a large percentage of any fine issued, of course the observers will go to lower grade games, they believe more FINES can be handed out at this level which = more money in Shads pocket...simple really

[aceman]

$500 fine for no club umpire Vs $200 for foreit. better off throwing in the towel and prevent 40 plus real amateur footballers having a game on a saty arvo. [ and god forbid that blokes just want to have a kick and catch without 'Big Brother' hanging around ]. and as has been said why would an umps observer go to a C1 game on the first round to look at club umpires when they have so many of their own to look at. smells a bit fishy all round

Moz, you're correct with that plus a saving of the $50 we paid to the other umpire for doing the job solo, all up we'd be better off to the sum of $350.00 if we had forfeited.
We know what will happen next time and instead of having a game, the boys can go to the pub.

[FOURTH ESTATE]

Doesn't hurt that the CEO receives a large percentage of any fine issued, of course the observers will go to lower grade games, they believe more FINES can be handed out at this level which = more money in Shads pocket...simple really

I think you'll find that the CEO does not receive any % of fines as for the GX fine the SAAFL issued the rules are open for interpretation

1.The umpire supplied by the club did umpire but became injured.

2.Both clubs agreed to play with one umpire.

At no time do the rules say that clubs have to replace an injured umpire after play has commenced.
Common sense would say that finding another umpire at Park 10 would be impossible for either side.

Both clubs agreed upon rule 18.4
and then followed 18.4 (a) to allow the match to contuinue

Both clubs did what they could do best in this situation. The league needs to show some brains.
Did this action by the clubs have a effect on the outcome of the game.
Looking by the scores i don't think so.

TO THE IDIOTS WHO ISSUED THIS FINE GET A LIFE

Why was an observer at this game and not at an appointed umpires game of the league???

Just another dumb deceision by the league!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RULES & REGS

18.4 Should a field umpire appointed by the Umpire’s Manager fail to appear at a match ten minutes
prior to the appointed starting time the captains of the two teams playing shall in consultation and
agreement with any appointed field umpire of The League at the ground agree upon terms for
the match to proceed.
(a) The field umpire(s) agreed upon shall have the powers accorded to them as if they were
appointed by the Umpire’s Manager.
(b) In the event of no agreement being reached by the two captains and any appointed
field umpire of The League at the ground the home club Match Day Official shall appoint
a replacement field umpire(s) and the match shall proceed.
18.5 A Member Club shall supply a field umpire when directed by The League. Such field umpire shall
have the same powers accorded to them as if they were appointed by the Umpire’s Manager.

[aceman]

Doesn't hurt that the CEO receives a large percentage of any fine issued, of course the observers will go to lower grade games, they believe more FINES can be handed out at this level which = more money in Shads pocket...simple really

I think you'll find that the CEO does not receive any % of fines as for the GX fine the SAAFL issued the rules are open for interpretation

1.The umpire supplied by the club did umpire but became injured.

2.Both clubs agreed to play with one umpire.

At no time do the rules say that clubs have to replace an injured umpire after play has commenced.
Common sense would say that finding another umpire at Park 10 would be impossible for either side.

Both clubs agreed upon rule 18.4
and then followed 18.4 (a) to allow the match to contuinue

Both clubs did what they could do best in this situation. The league needs to show some brains.
Did this action by the clubs have a effect on the outcome of the game.
Looking by the scores i don't think so.

TO THE IDIOTS WHO ISSUED THIS FINE GET A LIFE

Why was an observer at this game and not at an appointed umpires game of the league???

Just another dumb deceision by the league!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RULES & REGS

18.4 Should a field umpire appointed by the Umpire’s Manager fail to appear at a match ten minutes
prior to the appointed starting time the captains of the two teams playing shall in consultation and
agreement with any appointed field umpire of The League at the ground agree upon terms for
the match to proceed.
(a) The field umpire(s) agreed upon shall have the powers accorded to them as if they were
appointed by the Umpire’s Manager.
(b) In the event of no agreement being reached by the two captains and any appointed
field umpire of The League at the ground the home club Match Day Official shall appoint
a replacement field umpire(s) and the match shall proceed.
18.5 A Member Club shall supply a field umpire when directed by The League. Such field umpire shall
have the same powers accorded to them as if they were appointed by the Umpire’s Manager.[/quote]


My sentiments exactly! So in this instance,am I correct in saying that 18.5 over rides 18.4 there fore no fine should apply?

[finn]

it's better that observers are randomly allocated rather than just focus on the higher grades - the lower grades is usually where most of the shenanigans happen.

Ám i also right in interpreting the fine structure so that its cheaper to play an unregistered player than not supply an umpire?

[aceman]

[quote="finn"]it's better that observers are randomly allocated rather than just focus on the higher grades - the lower grades is usually where most of the shenanigans happen.

Ám i also right in interpreting the fine structure so that its cheaper to play an unregistered player than not supply an umpire?[/quote]


You are indeed, isn't it strange how the fines are now an incredible way to recoup some of the SAAFL expenditure?
Why not at least give the courtesy of a phone call to find out the circumstances why the club didn't have an umpire, rather than just ....bang, $500.00 thank you, no questions asked.

Who said that speed & red light cameras are the biggest revenue raiser in the state?

[finn]

it's better that observers are randomly allocated rather than just focus on the higher grades - the lower grades is usually where most of the shenanigans happen.

Ám i also right in interpreting the fine structure so that its cheaper to play an unregistered player than not supply an umpire?[/quote]


You are indeed, isn't it strange how the fines are now an incredible way to recoup some of the SAAFL expenditure?
Why not at least give the courtesy of a phone call to find out the circumstances why the club didn't have an umpire, rather than just ....bang, $500.00 thank you, no questions asked.

Who said that speed & red light cameras are the biggest revenue raiser in the state?

no loss of points for the unregistered player?

mmm, that's shonky.

[old moz]

do the clowns at The Barton understand the [unpaid] time and effort it takes for a club to 'make' $500 [clear]? who set the fine benchmark, how did they arrive at their figures, what is their reasoning [and justification ] behind their figures ? lots of questions [and a lot more ] how about an answer to the clubs for the high $$ fines and how they expect some struggling clubs to survive in these tough times

[aceman]

do the clowns at The Barton understand the [unpaid] time and effort it takes for a club to 'make' $500 [clear]? who set the fine benchmark, how did they arrive at their figures, what is their reasoning [and justification ] behind their figures ? lots of questions [and a lot more ] how about an answer to the clubs for the high $$ fines and how they expect some struggling clubs to survive in these tough times

No I don't believe they do! If you think Moz that they will answer these or any other such questions, you'd best think again.

[The Ash Man]

do the clowns at The Barton understand the [unpaid] time and effort it takes for a club to 'make' $500 [clear]? who set the fine benchmark, how did they arrive at their figures, what is their reasoning [and justification ] behind their figures ? lots of questions [and a lot more ] how about an answer to the clubs for the high $$ fines and how they expect some struggling clubs to survive in these tough times

No I don't believe they do! If you think Moz that they will answer these or any other such questions, you'd best think again.

Ace, pay the fine and leave $500 off of your first call!
See what they say

[District Boy 09]

Doesn't hurt that the CEO receives a large percentage of any fine issued, of course the observers will go to lower grade games, they believe more FINES can be handed out at this level which = more money in Shads pocket...simple really

He a percentage from Sponsors and Sporting Goods licences which is a cock up anyway because we could not get jumpers and shorts for R1. Dont tell me he gets money from fines as well. What money is this guy on??? - does anyone know what he gets?????. Bloody scam if he gets money form jumpers and shit, sponsors and finess. Any one know what he gets

[JS SPORTS]

Doesn't hurt that the CEO receives a large percentage of any fine issued, of course the observers will go to lower grade games, they believe more FINES can be handed out at this level which = more money in Shads pocket...simple really

He a percentage from Sponsors and Sporting Goods licences which is a cock up anyway because we could not get jumpers and shorts for R1. Dont tell me he gets money from fines as well. What money is this guy on??? - does anyone know what he gets?????. Bloody scam if he gets money form jumpers and s***t, sponsors and finess. Any one know what he gets

Every year you hear the same story about licensees not able to supply on time and a lot of it is because clubs don't order the jumpers etc. early enough. Poor organisation by some clubs really.

[Lads]

Doesn't hurt that the CEO receives a large percentage of any fine issued, of course the observers will go to lower grade games, they believe more FINES can be handed out at this level which = more money in Shads pocket...simple really

He a percentage from Sponsors and Sporting Goods licences which is a cock up anyway because we could not get jumpers and shorts for R1. Dont tell me he gets money from fines as well. What money is this guy on??? - does anyone know what he gets?????. Bloody scam if he gets money form jumpers and s***t, sponsors and finess. Any one know what he gets

Every year you hear the same story about licensees not able to supply on time and a lot of it is because clubs don't order the jumpers etc. early enough. Poor organisation by some clubs really.

They probley just told him that because his dole cheque didnt clear and he didnt pay his subs