when do we start preparing for 2009

[matt]

http://www1.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/198 ... V1984.html

ah, the acb logic of playing the first test in perth!

[am Bays]

Anyone remember this one,

apparently the Windies were falling overthemselves laughng when Border decided to bat first on a green top......

http://www1.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/1980S/1984-85/WI_IN_AUS/WI_AUS_T5_30DEC1984-02JAN1985.html

FWIW I reckon this current side would struggle to win but our 2001 side

Hayden, Langer, Ponting, M Waugh, S Waugh, Martyn, Gilchrist, Warne, Lee, Gillespie, McGrath would go okay.....

[blink]

FWIW I reckon this current side would struggle to win but our 2001 side

Hayden, Langer, Ponting, M Waugh, S Waugh, Martyn, Gilchrist, Warne, Lee, Gillespie, McGrath would go okay.....

I don't think the difference between the circa-2001 test side and the current test side is apparent enough to say that one would win and the other struggle. I think that the 2001 & 2006 bowlers would restrict them more, and our the attacking batsmen would go after the Windies sides more earlier on.

I would expect that more of the short pitched stuff the Windies frequently served up would have gone to the fence more often (courtesy of Hayden, Langer, Ponting & Gilchrist) and that their batsmen would have been bamboozled by Warne.

[Adelaide Hawk]

On the West Indian four man pace attack, true they were an awesome attack. But just remember, they bowled in an era when they didn't have to bowl 90 overs in a day. They kept to an over rate of 12 per hour and their bowlers remained fresh. Had the West Indies attack have played in the current environment, they wouldn't be as effective because they would need to bowl a 5th or 6th bowler more often to get their over rate up.

The West Indies were also fortunate everyone tried to fight fire with fire, and their batsmen never have to face quality leg spin bowling. Facing quick bowling suited their batsmen.

I guess we'll never know because you cannot compare players of different eras, but a 25 year old Shane Warne with that lethal flipper would have sliced up their batting line up. It would be an interesting match for certain.

[mal]

What do we do with Tim Paine re 2009

Tasmania will no doubt try him as a keeperbatsman one day in the
pura/cup team BUT right move [he keeps only in o/d games]
gilCHRIST will retire soon
Haddin will be the number one gloveman
Paine has the opportunity to be the reserve keeper and tour.
Opening and Keeping is too hard in my opinion so he would need
to bat about 6 or 7....not sure about that.

On the other hand
Hayden + Langer will retire soon
Australia will need 2 openers...Jaques + Paine great opportunity
especially since Elliott is struggling for runs.


HE PROBABLY HAS MORE CHANCE AS AN OPENER IN MY OPINION.
He has made a 200 at 22years of age as a opening batsman and averages
close to 60 this year, opening/keeping will probably disintigrate that average.

This star performer s a REB proterge, I wonder what REB thinks

PAINE opened the batting + wicketkeeper TA V WA 20/12/06 pura cup game
made
3 + 17
I still think keeping + opening is tooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo hard

Meanwhile ROGERS made 152 opening for WA and has made a zillion runs this season.
Is he the best opener behing Langer/Hayden ?....I think he is in front of JAQUES now.

[mal]

On the West Indian four man pace attack, true they were an awesome attack. But just remember, they bowled in an era when they didn't have to bowl 90 overs in a day. They kept to an over rate of 12 per hour and their bowlers remained fresh. Had the West Indies attack have played in the current environment, they wouldn't be as effective because they would need to bowl a 5th or 6th bowler more often to get their over rate up.

The West Indies were also fortunate everyone tried to fight fire with fire, and their batsmen never have to face quality leg spin bowling. Facing quick bowling suited their batsmen.

I guess we'll never know because you cannot compare players of different eras, but a 25 year old Shane Warne with that lethal flipper would have sliced up their batting line up. It would be an interesting match for certain.

True.

[Rik E Boy]

FWIW I reckon this current side would struggle to win but our 2001 side

Hayden, Langer, Ponting, M Waugh, S Waugh, Martyn, Gilchrist, Warne, Lee, Gillespie, McGrath would go okay.....

I don't think the difference between the circa-2001 test side and the current test side is apparent enough to say that one would win and the other struggle. I think that the 2001 & 2006 bowlers would restrict them more, and our the attacking batsmen would go after the Windies sides more earlier on.

I would expect that more of the short pitched stuff the Windies frequently served up would have gone to the fence more often (courtesy of Hayden, Langer, Ponting & Gilchrist) and that their batsmen would have been bamboozled by Warne.

There is one mighty big difference..Steve Waugh the best fighter since Border who actually did face the West Indies at their peak and even stared down Curtley Ambrose on a bowlers' deck. Haydos, Martyn, Gillespie at their peak..nah, Wrinkles has got this one right.

regards,

REB

[Adelaide Hawk]

Interesting comment from Bob Simpson on SEN today about the West Indian quicks.

As you may recall, he faced Wesley Hall and Charlie Griffith in 1965, and then faced the likes of Roberts, Croft, Holding & Garner when he came back and toured the West Indies in 1978. Simpson claims Hall and Griffith were just as fast, if not quicker than the other four.

I have heard a lot of good judges from the West Indes continually refer to Charlie Griffith as the most dangerous of all West Indian quicks.

He also said he's never seen so much rubbish written about Test Cricket as he's read this season. Hear, hear Bob ... well said. The media are a pack of self serving jerks.

[Rik E Boy]

Yeah but Hall and Griffith didn't have another two quicks fresh and itching to come on after them. While Bob Simpson is an astute cricket mind, he can be just as self-serving as any great player. Everyone was going 'how good are these blokes!' in the late 70's-early 80's and it would be just like Bob Simpson to come out and say 'these blokes weren't so tough, even in my 40's I stood up to them and in my day they were even quicker'....hmmmm.

Still, I reckon his 'The Reasons Why' is one of the best Cricket books I have ever read and that he is ten times the coach that Flanders is and his service to Australian Cricket has been above and beyond the call of duty.
regards,

REB

[am Bays]

When do we start preparing for 2009, well with the pending retirements of Warne and McGrath, we start now.....

[GetTheSherrin]

Adelaide Hawk, hows that comment of mine about S.K Warne retiring now! guess i should start a job in the media so i can tell all the big stories before they happen.

anything else you boys want to know before it happens??

[Rik E Boy]

Adelaide Hawk, hows that comment of mine about S.K Warne retiring now! guess i should start a job in the media so i can tell all the big stories before they happen.

anything else you boys want to know before it happens??

Come back with this week's lotto numbers then smartar5e!

regards,

REB

[GetTheSherrin]

7,14,24,28,31,36,37 supps: 15,2

oz lotto nxt tues.

enjoy the winnings!

[FlyingHigh]

Agree Adelaide Hawk - C Bailey is streets ahead of White. Casson will be an interesting one. White will only ever be a one-day all rounder.

I would have liked Warnie to stay around for another 2 years, and the selectors play D Cullen with Warne as much as possible. By this time D Cullen would know what test cricket is about, and C Bailey would be at the right age and first-class experience to step into Warnie's gap.

Macgill is a top bowler, but the selectors have to go for Cullen now. It is the ideal time because the Aussies are still scoring mountains of runs, so he would be bowling in a very different environment with runs on the board, than at the moment with SA's batting being woeful.

I'm not totally convinced about Jacques technique either. Rogers, Marsh and North are all better options.

[Rik E Boy]

7,14,24,28,31,36,37 supps: 15,2

oz lotto nxt tues.

enjoy the winnings!

Bloody Hell Sherrin! You were supposed to PM me with those! Now every bar5tard will be on them and the divvy will be about 50 cents! Thanks a lot.

regards,

REB

[GetTheSherrin]

what can i say its christmas i like sharing.

[RustyCage]

Agree Adelaide Hawk - C Bailey is streets ahead of White. Casson will be an interesting one. White will only ever be a one-day all rounder.

I would have liked Warnie to stay around for another 2 years, and the selectors play D Cullen with Warne as much as possible. By this time D Cullen would know what test cricket is about, and C Bailey would be at the right age and first-class experience to step into Warnie's gap.

Macgill is a top bowler, but the selectors have to go for Cullen now. It is the ideal time because the Aussies are still scoring mountains of runs, so he would be bowling in a very different environment with runs on the board, than at the moment with SA's batting being woeful.

I'm not totally convinced about Jacques technique either. Rogers, Marsh and North are all better options.

Having seen C Bailey a lot, I dont think he is anywhere near international cricket. Bowls some good spells, but also bowls a lot of fruit. Needs to be more consistant. White is ahead of him, definately for one dayers, but also test cricket i think. Cullen is ready made, able to step in anytime and do a decent job, not MacGill or Warne standard yet, but well on way to being quite servicable.

[rod_rooster]

Seriously all this talk about Cullen and Bailey is a bit over the top. Both are extremely promising but Warne's replacement is pretty straight forward. The second best spin bowler in the world, Stuart MacGill.

[heater31]

The second best spin bowler in the world, Stuart MacGill.

that should read "the second best legal spin bowler in the world"

or maybe leg spinner

[Maddogmike]

hmmm
Interesting