Para District Cricket Association 2009-10

[sports follower]

We don't rely on Dobbo and Gav they just happen to be good at what they do. Guess we will have to see if our team is good enough. Time will tell I guess

Craigmore also have some good juniors coming up through the grades that will play A grade. Some already have. they probably dont need to go out and recruit hard as they have a good junior program and have done for a long time now. Not like some clubs that rely on recruiting as they dont have juniors.

[cricket4life]

We don't rely on Dobbo and Gav they just happen to be good at what they do. Guess we will have to see if our team is good enough. Time will tell I guess

Craigmore also have some good juniors coming up through the grades that will play A grade. Some already have. they probably dont need to go out and recruit hard as they have a good junior program and have done for a long time now. Not like some clubs that rely on recruiting as they dont have juniors.

just seems since gaining promotion from grade 2 a few years back, heading into the grade 1 u were obviously a side on the up, but were then able to follow up with anythin of substance and have since dropped down grade 2 again. narrowly missed out promotion that season... then last season youve missed out on finals altogether. seems like a lot of effort will have to be put in to stop the down hill slope that craigmore seems to sliding down.
and most clubs have good juniors coming through their ranks, whether it be at junior level or they have already broken into the clubs senior sides... most clubs have them

[sports follower]

We don't rely on Dobbo and Gav they just happen to be good at what they do. Guess we will have to see if our team is good enough. Time will tell I guess

Craigmore also have some good juniors coming up through the grades that will play A grade. Some already have. they probably dont need to go out and recruit hard as they have a good junior program and have done for a long time now. Not like some clubs that rely on recruiting as they dont have juniors.

just seems since gaining promotion from grade 2 a few years back, heading into the grade 1 u were obviously a side on the up, but were then able to follow up with anythin of substance and have since dropped down grade 2 again. narrowly missed out promotion that season... then last season youve missed out on finals altogether. seems like a lot of effort will have to be put in to stop the down hill slope that craigmore seems to sliding down.
and most clubs have good juniors coming through their ranks, whether it be at junior level or they have already broken into the clubs senior sides... most clubs have them

Craigmore lost about 8 players from their div 2 premiership side from 03/04 and did falter a bit after that and only stayed up in div 1 for 2 seasons and since have played finals in div 2 except for last season. They have gone on rebuilding phase and have played a fair few younger players in front of over 40s which should stand them in good stead for the future, hence my comment about juniors.

Here are a few clubs from div 1 & 2 that dont have junior sides and have to rely on recruit from outside. R&C , OTH, Brahma, Virginia, Parafield Gdns & Playford.
My point is with the help of good talented junir cricketers that love their club we should be able to rebuild and get back to Div 1, you never know some of these kids might take Papas' spot but not for a few years yet.

So I dont think they sliding down some slope just playing some kids in front of old crocks and looking to the future.

[duck-mann]

Craigmore also have some good juniors coming up through the grades that will play A grade. Some already have. they probably dont need to go out and recruit hard as they have a good junior program and have done for a long time now. Not like some clubs that rely on recruiting as they dont have juniors.

Must agree here! Hope for CCC's sake they can keep a hold of these lads and get them playing in the same team over a few years to develop them into superstars. There are definitely one or two that have great talent, just gotta keep their egos under control as having lots of talent (and knowing it) at 15/16 can be dangerous without those old heads around the club taking them under their wings...

From the talk around from Smithfield, Craigmore and a couple of other clubs about their junior prospects I hope the PDCA is heading towards becoming a stronger comp all together!

[bothamsfearnley]

We don't rely on Dobbo and Gav they just happen to be good at what they do. Guess we will have to see if our team is good enough. Time will tell I guess

Craigmore also have some good juniors coming up through the grades that will play A grade. Some already have. they probably dont need to go out and recruit hard as they have a good junior program and have done for a long time now. Not like some clubs that rely on recruiting as they dont have juniors.

just seems since gaining promotion from grade 2 a few years back, heading into the grade 1 u were obviously a side on the up, but were then able to follow up with anythin of substance and have since dropped down grade 2 again. narrowly missed out promotion that season... then last season youve missed out on finals altogether. seems like a lot of effort will have to be put in to stop the down hill slope that craigmore seems to sliding down.
and most clubs have good juniors coming through their ranks, whether it be at junior level or they have already broken into the clubs senior sides... most clubs have them

I agree with cricket4life on this one. I think they have gone backwards a little. Their B Grade was fairly ordinary last year and I dont see any above average juniors among that group. They should have tried to hang-on to young Tuckwell who is now at Smithfield - he is a good young player - Just my opinion.

[custardarm]

seems like we need a separate ccc forum

[sports follower]

seems like we need a separate ccc forum

Thats because CCC is the place to be!!!!

[sports follower]

I agree with cricket4life on this one. I think they have gone backwards a little. Their B Grade was fairly ordinary last year and I dont see any above average juniors among that group. They should have tried to hang-on to young Tuckwell who is now at Smithfield - he is a good young player - Just my opinion.[/quote]


There were reasons why Tuckers went to Smithfield, first and foremost his brother plays there and so do a lot of his mates.
We gave him a taste of A grade cricket the year before and he did ok for a 15yo lad. He can be a very good cricketer in the future for Smithfield and good luck to them.

What will happen at Brahma when Sibbick, Brown and a few others retire?? You have no juniors so where do you get your future players from. Do you rely on mates or recruit from outside or do you just slowly slide down the grades?? Just my opinion

[cricket4life]

well sports follower... u just mentioned six teams that dont have junior sides. five of them being in div 1... so maybe there is somethin about not havin a junior side and focussing on seniors. i dunno... not sayin thats my opinion just puttin it out there for discussion. brahma lodge have been there and about for a long time. OTH seem like they have some real talent in their early 20s with a few quality older heads too... rose and crown are really up and coming in a big way. virginia, although struggled a touch last season did push all the way the previous season and parafield gardens are hopefully ready to show what they can do in div 1. but these sides, who u ask whether they have to rely on recruitment through mates or slip down the grades are obviously relying on recruitment because they are all up and comin and being successful. possibly there is something about not havin a junior side??? i dunno... seems to be workin for some

[MadMax]

well sports follower... u just mentioned six teams that dont have junior sides. five of them being in div 1... so maybe there is somethin about not havin a junior side and focussing on seniors. i dunno... not sayin thats my opinion just puttin it out there for discussion. brahma lodge have been there and about for a long time. OTH seem like they have some real talent in their early 20s with a few quality older heads too... rose and crown are really up and coming in a big way. virginia, although struggled a touch last season did push all the way the previous season and parafield gardens are hopefully ready to show what they can do in div 1. but these sides, who u ask whether they have to rely on recruitment through mates or slip down the grades are obviously relying on recruitment because they are all up and comin and being successful. possibly there is something about not havin a junior side??? i dunno... seems to be workin for some

Fair observation....

[Dogmatic]

What will happen at Brahma when Sibbick, Brown and a few others retire?? You have no juniors so where do you get your future players from. Do you rely on mates or recruit from outside or do you just slowly slide down the grades?? Just my opinion

What is your opinion?
Yes, if they don't recruit they will slide down the grades.
Haven't had juniors for a long time and are still in grade 1.
Would be nice to have the juniors that other clubs have.
Hopefully if Brahma can attract some recruits "through word of mouth" they will go deep into the finals.
Who do you follow?

[duck-mann]

I agree with cricket4life on this one. I think they have gone backwards a little. Their B Grade was fairly ordinary last year and I dont see any above average juniors among that group. They should have tried to hang-on to young Tuckwell who is now at Smithfield - he is a good young player - Just my opinion.

The B's only missed the finals by a few points (not exactly sure how many in the end) last year and although we were poor in a few games, particularly the last game of the season against Brahma, and the 2nd game of the season at OTH, i think saying the team was "fairly ordinary" is a bit harsh. Were definitely some goods signs from some of the young blokes... Next season may not be CCC's year to stand up but within 2 or 3 I would be more than suprised if they werent playing, and being competitive in grade 1.

[Grahaml]

I don't think there's any doubt that teams can succeed for some time without juniors. But the trouble for clubs without them is replacing guys that leave. We saw Two Wells were strong for a while with imports, but when those guys left the club became a div 6 club. Brahma might be strong now, but they could suffere a similar fate in a few years time. IMHO the only way a club can stay in Div 1 for 20-30 years is to have strong juniors coming through. It also means a club tends to have more lower grade sides. Perhaps for the guys fighting it out for Div 1 flags every year don't care about any other grade, but it helps a club no end having 50-60 players at their club. And when a club wins 5/5 semi finals even the staunchest Div 1 players can't help but enjoy that week at the club.

[bothamsfearnley]

The B's only missed the finals by a few points (not exactly sure how many in the end) last year and although we were poor in a few games, particularly the last game of the season against Brahma, and the 2nd game of the season at OTH, i think saying the team was "fairly ordinary" is a bit harsh. Were definitely some goods signs from some of the young blokes... Next season may not be CCC's year to stand up but within 2 or 3 I would be more than suprised if they werent playing, and being competitive in grade 1.[/quote]


I have Played against Craigmore B's for the last three seasons. They were not as good last year as they have been during the previous seasons. Just missed finals sure, but the seventh and eighth teams in grade three were pretty bad to be honest, and you could just as easily have finished sixth behind Smithfield. You would see the improvement in the young guys more than me obviously, and that great, but stats wise, you only had four players in the top 50 runscorers for the grade with the highest finishing 22nd. With the bowling, only one in the top 40, then 6 guys between 40 and 50 I think that speaks for itself really. I dont mean to be disrespectful, I have said plenty of times on here that Craigmore are a good club. Just not a great season in my view.

[Executive Member]

I agree with cricket4life on this one. I think they have gone backwards a little. Their B Grade was fairly ordinary last year and I dont see any above average juniors among that group. They should have tried to hang-on to young Tuckwell who is now at Smithfield - he is a good young player - Just my opinion.

There were reasons why Tuckers went to Smithfield, first and foremost his brother plays there and so do a lot of his mates.
We gave him a taste of A grade cricket the year before and he did ok for a 15yo lad. He can be a very good cricketer in the future for Smithfield and good luck to them.

What will happen at Brahma when Sibbick, Brown and a few others retire?? You have no juniors so where do you get your future players from. Do you rely on mates or recruit from outside or do you just slowly slide down the grades?? Just my opinion[/quote]

Off the top of my head I think it is three years since our last U/16's went thru at The Lodge
Browny is in his mid to late 20's so think he will be round for a while
The new A Grade captain is a product of our juniors along with about 15 other lads under 21 thru the club so not sure if we are in trouble once Sibbs leaves

I know the club is looking at getting it back up and running and last years Milo cricket had plenty of numbers plus with the impending move to turf I am sure that the kids will come back - just have to have the right person running it

[Browny25]

All valid points made for both sides here but...

I dont think you will find anyone that will disagree in saying that having juniors at your club can be nothing but beneficial...

Salisbury West are the benchmark of the comp, and you'll find that 95% of their talent all came through their junior ranks.

[Lightning McQueen]

What will happen at Brahma when Sibbick, Brown and a few others retire?? You have no juniors so where do you get your future players from. Do you rely on mates or recruit from outside or do you just slowly slide down the grades?? Just my opinion

What is your opinion?
Yes, if they don't recruit they will slide down the grades.
Haven't had juniors for a long time and are still in grade 1.
Would be nice to have the juniors that other clubs have.
Hopefully if Brahma can attract some recruits "through word of mouth" they will go deep into the finals.
Who do you follow?

It wasn't that long ago when you had a strong junior program. I think you guys have been fortunate to have Sibbick there who has held your A's together for long time, at least he's not a lone soldier over the past couple of seasons as others have stepped up to the plate and shown promise.

[Lightning McQueen]

I agree with cricket4life on this one. I think they have gone backwards a little. Their B Grade was fairly ordinary last year and I dont see any above average juniors among that group. They should have tried to hang-on to young Tuckwell who is now at Smithfield - he is a good young player - Just my opinion.

Young Tuckwell did begin playing for Smithfield before moving to Craigmore, as SF touched on, his brother was our B Grade skipper last season and he has another brother that played in the B's. He has mates that play out at Smithfield and Craigmore really had no say in him moving, if they wanted to be stubborn it would only leave a sour taste in his mouth if he wanted to return.
The CCC were excellent in their conduct with him and offered him encouragement when he played against them in the A's and in the Under 16's. Infact, the relationship between the two clubs was excellent during the season after a bit of a hiccup around November.

[MadMax]

I agree with cricket4life on this one. I think they have gone backwards a little. Their B Grade was fairly ordinary last year and I dont see any above average juniors among that group. They should have tried to hang-on to young Tuckwell who is now at Smithfield - he is a good young player - Just my opinion.

Young Tuckwell did begin playing for Smithfield before moving to Craigmore, as SF touched on, his brother was our B Grade skipper last season and he has another brother that played in the B's. He has mates that play out at Smithfield and Craigmore really had no say in him moving, if they wanted to be stubborn it would only leave a sour taste in his mouth if he wanted to return.
The CCC were excellent in their conduct with him and offered him encouragement when he played against them in the A's and in the Under 16's. Infact, the relationship between the two clubs was excellent during the season after a bit of a hiccup around November.

The role that responsible sporting clubs play in the development of young people can't be underestimated also. With the support and interaction with the right people young people can have positive role models that are accessible to them through organised sporting groups. Clubs such as Sals West, Craigmore, ATCO, & Smithfield that have had junior programs for many years understand the role they play in making these kids into responsible adults. It may not reflect in their on field success for many years, but the loyalty to these clubs is there from early on.

[Browny25]

How many of the PDCA clubs have coaches?