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The next Falcon ?????

Postby Ian » Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:59 pm

From http://carsguide.news.com.au/story/0,20384,21047876-21822,00.html

Clues to the Falcon

12 January 2007

Paul Gover


The Ford Interceptor has an oversized body with a small glasshouse and low roof to give it a heavy, functional look
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Strip the cartoon character cues from the Ford Interceptor concept and the style direction of the next Ford Falcon starts to emerge.

Ford is adding more aggression to its future models and the Detroit car is a pointer to the potential in the 2008 Falcon.

"This car shows what you can do with a strong rear-wheel-drive architecture, like the Falcon," the executive director of Ford design in North America, Peter Horbury, says.

"It's tough. It makes a statement."

That is exactly what Ford Australia will need when the next Falcon goes up against the VE Commodore.

No one is suggesting the Interceptor will be copied by the design team at Ford Australia, which has already completed almost all the Falcon work, but the same influences could easily be at work at Campbellfield.

"In terms of presence, the Interceptor style would work for Australia," the design director at Ford-owned Jaguar, Ian Callum, says.

Callum knows all about Australian tastes and home-grown muscle. He was the chief designer for Holden Special Vehicles before joining the British luxury brand and did some of the most outrageous body and wheel work seen on a Commodore.


He believes the Interceptor is too extreme for production, but likes the influences.

"I see no reason why it could not work. It would certainly be a departure for Falcon," Callum says.

"I know the Australian car culture likes strong, brutal images. It's a pretty aggressive-looking car. It could work.

"It is more towards Australian taste than the a European design. I like it, by the way."

The Interceptor has an oversized body with a small glasshouse and the same grille treatment used on last year's F-Series Super Chief concept.

It has a very high beltline with a low roof to give it a heavy, functional look.

LThe mechanical package under the Interceptor is surprisingly similar to the Falcon and comes from the Mustang, complete with a 5.0-litre V8 engine, six-speed manual gearbox and rear-wheel drive.

It has been stretched to compete with the Chrysler 300, an American prestige sedan.

"Our customer target for this powerful, masculine sedan was a man with a family," Horbury says. "He's essentially a good guy, but a bit mischievous. He loves power and performance."

Even so, Ford has given the Interceptor some green credentials with tuning that allows it to run on E-85 ethanol fuel.

And it moves ahead on the safety front with Ford's patented four-point seatbelts, which it describes as a "belt-and-braces" approach.

Other neat tweaks include headrests that fold down from the roof and four individual bucket seats trimmed in super-soft belt leather.
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Postby Sojourner » Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:06 am

I didnt think it would be long before other companies attempted to rip off the Chrysler 300C!

I hope that Mitsubishi assemble 500 Chrysler 300C's at Tonsley Park then make an application to enter the 300C in the Clipsal V8 Competition, the 300C would smoke both the Commodore and the Falcon without too many problems. Ford and Holden might then have to actually take part in some research and develpment to start seriouly improving there cars instead of using old fashioned technology and using that as an excuse to keep Toyota and Mitsubishi out of the competition.
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Postby Rik E Boy » Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:59 am

It's only a car. I thought someone had got Falcon Chick's avatar to work.

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Postby mick » Wed Jan 17, 2007 2:07 pm

Sojourner wrote:I didnt think it would be long before other companies attempted to rip off the Chrysler 300C!

I hope that Mitsubishi assemble 500 Chrysler 300C's at Tonsley Park then make an application to enter the 300C in the Clipsal V8 Competition, the 300C would smoke both the Commodore and the Falcon without too many problems. Ford and Holden might then have to actually take part in some research and develpment to start seriouly improving there cars instead of using old fashioned technology and using that as an excuse to keep Toyota and Mitsubishi out of the competition.


Doubt whether that would work don't all the cars in the Clipsal crap have to have near identical specifications apart from the body? Certainly it's a good idea, it would be great to see something different. It's a pity the v8 racing isn't for production v8 sedans, then you could have mercs, bmws, audis etc. Oh I forgot there would be no guarantee that a Fraud or a Hoonden would win :lol:
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Postby smac » Wed Jan 17, 2007 2:37 pm

Rik E Boy wrote:It's only a car. I thought someone had got Falcon Chick's avatar to work.

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:lol: :lol: :lol: Nice work REB, was thinking the same myself.
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Postby Snaggletooth Tiger » Wed Jan 17, 2007 5:55 pm

Ford Interceptor...

"Thuckth Nitro!"

Had to do it folks,
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Postby westozfalcon » Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:50 pm

Sojourner wrote:I didnt think it would be long before other companies attempted to rip off the Chrysler 300C!

I hope that Mitsubishi assemble 500 Chrysler 300C's at Tonsley Park then make an application to enter the 300C in the Clipsal V8 Competition, the 300C would smoke both the Commodore and the Falcon without too many problems. Ford and Holden might then have to actually take part in some research and develpment to start seriouly improving there cars instead of using old fashioned technology and using that as an excuse to keep Toyota and Mitsubishi out of the competition.


Very good points there. The Holden V8 for example is a push-rod engine with it's origins dating back to the late 1960's i.e. the ole 350 Chev.

If BMW, Audi, Nissan and Toyota were allowed to develop cars and engines and compete in this series they would probably embarrass the Aussie big two!!
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Postby Sojourner » Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:40 pm

The Clipsal V8's should remain as Australian Made Cars, that is something that has to be non negotiatable. Yet constantly holding both Toyota and Mitsubishi out is gutless to the extreme. Toyota have been refused several times to enter the series with an appropriate car.

The Commodore is less than 50% Australian, over 50% of the parts are import. Therefore if that is acceptable then there is no reason why Mitsubishi cannot import and assemble 500 300C's to qualify as in the old Bathurst days in the same way that Ford got the Phase 3 in with a small build run. Toyota should also be able to import and assemble an appropriate Lexus to compete. In fact as far as I am concerned why not allow Mazda to import and assemble somwhere 500 of the new Mazda RX8 and lets get it on to find out who really does make the best brand of car!
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Postby Wedgie » Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:46 pm

Sojourner wrote:I didnt think it would be long before other companies attempted to rip off the Chrysler 300C!

Agreed, that's what I thought when I saw the Interceptor a little while back.
The Chrysler 300C is the coolest looking car on the road, I love it.
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Postby Sam_goUUUdogs » Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:31 pm

Wedgie wrote:
Sojourner wrote:I didnt think it would be long before other companies attempted to rip off the Chrysler 300C!

Agreed, that's what I thought when I saw the Interceptor a little while back.
The Chrysler 300C is the coolest looking car on the road, I love it.


coolest looking, buy apparently really crap to drive though, saw a review on Top Gear where it was up against a Jag and a Monaro, they bagged the shit out of it.

but it does look awesome.
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Postby Sam_goUUUdogs » Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:33 pm

Sojourner wrote:
The Commodore is less than 50% Australian, over 50% of the parts are import. Therefore if that is acceptable then there is no reason why Mitsubishi cannot import and assemble 500 300C's to qualify as in the old Bathurst days in the same way that Ford got the Phase 3 in with a small build run. Toyota should also be able to import and assemble an appropriate Lexus to compete. In fact as far as I am concerned why not allow Mazda to import and assemble somwhere 500 of the new Mazda RX8 and lets get it on to find out who really does make the best brand of car!


Nope, Ford and Holden have both put alot of Money into getting the V8 Supercars to where they are today, why should any car company that wants to be able to come along and join in, now that buisness is booming?
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Postby Ian » Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:46 pm

Sojourner wrote:Toyota should also be able to import and assemble an appropriate Lexus to compete. In fact as far as I am concerned why not allow Mazda to import and assemble somwhere 500 of the new Mazda RX8 and lets get it on to find out who really does make the best brand of car!


A rotary in a "control" class called V8 supercars :roll: , if you didn't intend to have a :wink: after that load of nonsense, then you really are a knob.

Any manufacture is able to enter the V8 supercar series providing, they sell a V8 sedan in Australia and they build it to fit the blueprint, 5.0L pushrod V8, control suspension, ECU, Diff, Gearbox etc. etc.

Mitsubishi considered it a couple of years ago, but along with the AWD Magna, and a locally built large station wagon, the Japs squashed it.
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Postby dinglinga » Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:04 pm

yes we are the only counrty were we have a dedicted race series for oversized taxi's..... at least they cant get lost ....

just remember the mid 80's when mazda and the ford sierra was embarassing the local product....


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Postby XXXXRooster » Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:03 pm

yeah, stick the Aurion(with prodrive money behind it) and the 380(with ralliart $$$) against the Commodore and Falcon 6's and see whos really the best, of course those 2 sook companies wont sac up and let anyone else play, pooftas!!!
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Postby RustyCage » Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:43 pm

dinglinga wrote:yes we are the only counrty were we have a dedicted race series for oversized taxi's..... at least they cant get lost ....


We also have the best touring car series in the world.
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Postby Sojourner » Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:23 am

The other option is for Toyota and Mitsubishi to get together and have their own series for the supercharged version of the Aurion and 380. It wont be very long before their lap times are faster than the current "V8 Supercars" :D

Toyota are about to pass GM in the U.S as the number one selling brand of car as they have in Australia. GM have sold off Isuzu and Suzuki to try and stem the tide of losses yet it has been to no avail.

Dont get me wrong though, I love 1970's Fords and Holdens, I used to own a HQ Monaro and I think that the XB GT is one of the best Fords ever made. Yet both companies refuse to embrace, invest in and developt significant new technology and have fallen way behind as a result. I dont think that they should be shielded from the competition in motor racing because the quality of product is poor.

I realise the series is for "V8's". Yet that was traditionally because V8's were the meanest fastest engines you could get, and still are when built with the right technology. It is from there that I draw the point about the Mazda RX8. If it is good enough to keep up with the required lap times, let them have a crack at it. Alan Moffat shoved it right up them winning Bathurst in a slick looking RX7, as well as George Fury in a Nissan Skyline, the response should have been to develop their own cars and make them better, not take the gutless option and exclude them from the competition.

N.B in the last issue of Wheels Magazine they take the Chrysler 300C out and trial it against the V8 Falcon and Commodore and performance wise it smokes both of them without to much trouble! 8)

Long live the Mopar! :twisted:
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Postby Armytank » Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:36 am

Dude, at no time did Alan Moffat win Bathurst in an RX7, the touring car championship yes, but not bathurst. Geaorge Fury set the first ever 100 mile an hour lap around Bathurst (before caltex chase) to put the car on pole but at no time did he win Bathurst in a turbo charged Nissan Bluebird.

The current chamionship was developed out of the fact that the dominant cars in australian motorsport were not available for sale in Australia due to the ADR's. People stopped going to the car racing because the field was made up af cars you could not buy in Australia. To be competitive you needed a Nissan Skyline or Ford Sierra. The Commodores of the day did well just to keep up with very old technology. Ford Australia even gave up, they stopped building V8's in Australia, anyone remember Dick Johnson's Mustang? This was forced upon us by the governing body CAMS in 1984 when the decicded that the premier tin top catagory would be run under a European Group A rules instead of the Australian improved production Group C.
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Postby Sam_goUUUdogs » Thu Jan 18, 2007 12:32 pm

Sojourner wrote:The other option is for Toyota and Mitsubishi to get together and have their own series for the supercharged version of the Aurion and 380. It wont be very long before their lap times are faster than the current "V8 Supercars" :D


N.B in the last issue of Wheels Magazine they take the Chrysler 300C out and trial it against the V8 Falcon and Commodore and performance wise it smokes both of them without to much trouble! 8)

Long live the Mopar! :twisted:


what makes you so sure of that?
and for price, ($20,000 cheaper) both the Holden and Ford win overall.
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Postby Sojourner » Thu Jan 18, 2007 1:34 pm

Apologies for that, I did think it was Fury that won in the Nissan, it was in fact Jim Richards and Mark Skaife and that was for two years in a row. You are also right, it was the Touring Car Championship that was won in an RX7 rather than the Bathurst! :oops:

Could a Supercharged Aurion beat a V8 Supercar? I would say yes, based on the fact that they use Conrods and are restricted to 5.0. The Aurion would be lighter and have a significantly more technologically advanced V6 engine with a huffer on top. The Race Tuned version of the Aurion should be more than enough to take a V8 Supercar, their problems come with adapting to Front Wheel Drive, yet that is not so much of a problem in the European series, so I think it would be fairly easy to over come.

Besides, if Holden and Ford thought that they could beat them I think that they would allow them to race. I think it is because they know that all their drivers will see is the rear end of Aurions flashing past them that they do whatever it takes to keep them out!
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Postby RustyCage » Thu Jan 18, 2007 1:49 pm

You're wrong if you think that its Holden and Ford keeping the V8s as only Holden and Ford, its AVESCO or whatever they are called now. We have the best touring car series in the world. What do you want? To make it like the British Touring Car Championship which is full of shit boxes? Have it full of Jap crap?
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