Is it time for a 10 team in the SANFL?

[BPBRB]

If there were more than 40 players on the AFL lists - say around 60 then they might look at both a Crows and Power ressies side but there simply are not enough numbers on present AFL lists to have stand alone ressies sides otherwise the Melb. based clubs wouldn't have had to "takeover" the VFL sides to give the fringe players etc a run each week. That has been a dismal failure with some of the VFL sides chosing to go alone and some VFL clubs now having a mix of players from 2 AFL clubs plus playing their own players (those good enough to get a game in the Senior VFL side). It is only the Swans and Lions that field ressies sides in State League comps but even then when they struggle with injuries they have to borrow "juniors" at times to get 22 on the park.

The other reason the AFL lists were shortened was the wages bill due to excessive player demands so there is no way it will ever increase just to allow the Crows and Port to have a ressies side in the SANFL. Who is going to fork out for the extra cost, you can't see some of the big stars taking pay cuts for starters. Look at Port Power last year - they were down to 22 fit players come the last round so what would happen in terms of a reserves side paying in the SANFL with a big injury list in that case - forfiet would be the option or they borrow "project" juniors from existing SANFL clubs which again erodes the SANFL clubs, causes them then to have to pillage local leagues (as they do frequently now when College Football steals U17's and 19's) and all that does is questions the integrity of the comp.

Like the NT suggestions, it just won't happen if we want our league to remain the same.

The SANFL needs to maintain it's integrity and be stand alone as much as it can and having both Adelaide based AFL teams fielding ressies sides will only serve to erode the comps power and play into the AFL hands of reducing the strength of a comp that when the current generations of fans start to lose interest or die off will really face a future struggle to maintain the crowds and interest in the face of the AFL monster. If it were not for pokies and the renue that gives most clubs the comp would be on it's knees by now.

[MightyEagles]

Didnt Mr A Jarman suggest that WT and Woodville should be demerged and Torrens run with pokie money?

Yes, he did, but where is he going to get the money from to up grade everything.

[Pseudo]

If there were more than 40 players on the AFL lists - say around 60 then they might look at both a Crows and Power ressies side but there simply are not enough numbers on present AFL lists to have stand alone ressies sides otherwise the Melb. based clubs wouldn't have had to "takeover" the VFL sides to give the fringe players etc a run each week. That has been a dismal failure with some of the VFL sides chosing to go alone and some VFL clubs now having a mix of players from 2 AFL clubs plus playing their own players (those good enough to get a game in the Senior VFL side). It is only the Swans and Lions that field ressies sides in State League comps but even then when they struggle with injuries they have to borrow "juniors" at times to get 22 on the park.

The other reason the AFL lists were shortened was the wages bill due to excessive player demands so there is no way it will ever increase just to allow the Crows and Port to have a ressies side in the SANFL. Who is going to fork out for the extra cost, you can't see some of the big stars taking pay cuts for starters. Look at Port Power last year - they were down to 22 fit players come the last round so what would happen in terms of a reserves side paying in the SANFL with a big injury list in that case - forfiet would be the option or they borrow "project" juniors from existing SANFL clubs which again erodes the SANFL clubs, causes them then to have to pillage local leagues (as they do frequently now when College Football steals U17's and 19's) and all that does is questions the integrity of the comp.

Like the NT suggestions, it just won't happen if we want our league to remain the same.

The SANFL needs to maintain it's integrity and be stand alone as much as it can and having both Adelaide based AFL teams fielding ressies sides will only serve to erode the comps power and play into the AFL hands of reducing the strength of a comp that when the current generations of fans start to lose interest or die off will really face a future struggle to maintain the crowds and interest in the face of the AFL monster. If it were not for pokies and the renue that gives most clubs the comp would be on it's knees by now.

[Jar Man Out]

If there were more than 40 players on the AFL lists - say around 60 then they might look at both a Crows and Power ressies side but there simply are not enough numbers on present AFL lists to have stand alone ressies sides otherwise the Melb. based clubs wouldn't have had to "takeover" the VFL sides to give the fringe players etc a run each week. That has been a dismal failure with some of the VFL sides chosing to go alone and some VFL clubs now having a mix of players from 2 AFL clubs plus playing their own players (those good enough to get a game in the Senior VFL side). It is only the Swans and Lions that field ressies sides in State League comps but even then when they struggle with injuries they have to borrow "juniors" at times to get 22 on the park.

The other reason the AFL lists were shortened was the wages bill due to excessive player demands so there is no way it will ever increase just to allow the Crows and Port to have a ressies side in the SANFL. Who is going to fork out for the extra cost, you can't see some of the big stars taking pay cuts for starters. Look at Port Power last year - they were down to 22 fit players come the last round so what would happen in terms of a reserves side paying in the SANFL with a big injury list in that case - forfiet would be the option or they borrow "project" juniors from existing SANFL clubs which again erodes the SANFL clubs, causes them then to have to pillage local leagues (as they do frequently now when College Football steals U17's and 19's) and all that does is questions the integrity of the comp.

Like the NT suggestions, it just won't happen if we want our league to remain the same.

The SANFL needs to maintain it's integrity and be stand alone as much as it can and having both Adelaide based AFL teams fielding ressies sides will only serve to erode the comps power and play into the AFL hands of reducing the strength of a comp that when the current generations of fans start to lose interest or die off will really face a future struggle to maintain the crowds and interest in the face of the AFL monster. If it were not for pokies and the renue that gives most clubs the comp would be on it's knees by now.

Why cant crows enter SANFL ?? simply they are not a club. They are just a team. The SANFL doesnt require another team it require a club with reserves and junior set ups or is it Ok for them to have byes. Not a mob of 40 players where only 22 are required elsewhere.

Or we could put more SANFL clubs in the AFL like originally planned and kill the obstacle.

Advantage of SANFl teams in AFl over crows. Double headers nice little earner for all SANFl clubs. No argument on father son rule or heritage guerseys. Most of all when afl team playing interstate all fans can head to watch their team in the SANFL.

Why cant this happen with the crows.They Are not an SANFl club never will be so hesitant to cross promote. never will they be able to make a link with one of the clubs without the other 7 getting their nose out of joint.

the solution is very simple.

[Dutchy]

Why cant crows enter SANFL ?? simply they are not a club. They are just a team.

Correct they are not a club, they are a franchise...

[Navy2005]

Didnt Mr A Jarman suggest that WT and Woodville should be demerged and Torrens run with pokie money?

It would be great to see West Torrens back into the competition in it's own right sadly however I can't see this happening as I don't see where the funding would come from.

Would hate to see the SANFL become an 8 team competition as would hurt the proiud tradition of the league. Also would rob many players the chance to play State League football I think it would be a step backwards and who would the club they get rid of be?

The Hills idea isn't a bad one however I still feel that Mount Gambier would be the best place to establish another SANFL Club (sorry Tigers supporters). The only major problem with that would be travelling time for juniors and reserves who wouldn't be getting paid much to do that sort of travelling.

[giffo]

Didnt Mr A Jarman suggest that WT and Woodville should be demerged and Torrens run with pokie money?

Wouldn't suprise me, sounds stupid enough to come out of his mouth. WTF would Woodville run on then?

Ive always liked the idea of a Crows team coming comprising of their AFL listed players that don't get a game and make up the numbers with juniors. Would be near the bottom of the table, would get rid of the current hassle of players going in and out of other SANFL clubs and would spark some interest from some of the Crows fans who wouldn't normally take an interest in the SANFL. Do the same with the Magpies in regard to the Power also.
10 teams.
Bigger Crowds.
Wont be dominant.
Less interuption for other SANFL teams.

No byes and instead of a bye get to see my team flog a team in Crows colours.
No current recuriting zones eaten into.

Won't happen, too revolutionary for this state but something I'd like to see as no negatives and lots of positives.

Great suggestion. Only reason this hasnt happened already. Crows. If we had two SANFL clubs in the AFL this would happen automatically. Port players go back to Port . Norwood players go back to Norwood for example. Hey we could even have more than two AFL clubs up and running.

But we dont we have a corporation hell bent on defending its market share and profit. And Port.

This SANFL/AFl relationship will never work whilst crows are in the AFL. They have no link to the SANFL. Let us not forget crows only invented to stop Port getting into AFl independantly. Mission accomplished. Now what do we do with them.??? Cos they have the market now and they dont want to share.

As long as its only interstate recruits. There is no way I want to see Symes or Westhoff & co in a prison jumper

[Dan The Man]

There is no point in adding a 10th team just to get rid of the bye. No it is not the right time to add a 10th team and in reality there never will be a right time.

[Navy2005]

There is no point in adding a 10th team just to get rid of the bye. No it is not the right time to add a 10th team and in reality there never will be a right time.

I think that by adding a tenth team it would do far more than eliminate the bye. Adding a new team would give the leaague a real boost, bring in new sponorship and offer more players the opportunity to play in the second best competition in Australia. Talk that this would weaken the league I believe is wrong rather even more quality players would be brought into the league.
I feel that the time would be right to expand as the AFL is inject more money into rural football with the huge TV rights deal. Also the reason that adding a 10 club would do is encourage more kids to continue playing football rather than taking up other sports such as soccer, basketball etc as their chances of playing in a very good level of football would be improved. All in all it could only be a good thing for football in SA if gone about properly.

[JK]

There is no point in adding a 10th team just to get rid of the bye. No it is not the right time to add a 10th team and in reality there never will be a right time.

I think that by adding a tenth team it would do far more than eliminate the bye. Adding a new team would give the leaague a real boost, bring in new sponorship and offer more players the opportunity to play in the second best competition in Australia. Talk that this would weaken the league I believe is wrong rather even more quality players would be brought into the league.
I feel that the time would be right to expand as the AFL is inject more money into rural football with the huge TV rights deal. Also the reason that adding a 10 club would do is encourage more kids to continue playing football rather than taking up other sports such as soccer, basketball etc as their chances of playing in a very good level of football would be improved. All in all it could only be a good thing for football in SA if gone about properly.

Some would argue that the market for the SANFL is most likely to remain the same without expansion (which would be minimal at best, of more reality is the fight to keep it at it's current size), so a 10th team might effectively end up as an additional pull on the current market, meaning a downturn for existing clubs?

Giving additional players the opportunity to play SANFL is great in theory, but the league needs to be careful that it doesn't dilute the current talentbase and reduce the product to a lesser standard.

I have a lot of thoughts in every direction on this issue but unfortunately can't say that I have an answer to improving the current state of the league ... There are some excellent posts in this thread though that provoke a lot of thought.

[BPBRB]

There is no point in adding a 10th team just to get rid of the bye. No it is not the right time to add a 10th team and in reality there never will be a right time.

I think that by adding a tenth team it would do far more than eliminate the bye. Adding a new team would give the leaague a real boost, bring in new sponorship and offer more players the opportunity to play in the second best competition in Australia. Talk that this would weaken the league I believe is wrong rather even more quality players would be brought into the league.
I feel that the time would be right to expand as the AFL is inject more money into rural football with the huge TV rights deal. Also the reason that adding a 10 club would do is encourage more kids to continue playing football rather than taking up other sports such as soccer, basketball etc as their chances of playing in a very good level of football would be improved. All in all it could only be a good thing for football in SA if gone about properly.

I can't see how a 10th team would bring in more sponsorship unless the team had wealthy backer. The set up costs alone for any "rural" based club or interstate club would be enormous and then the on going operating costs re travel etc would be huge. This was the single biggest negative with a NTFL team coing into the SANFL - the arguement as to who was going to wear the costs. Which sponsor would tip in money to a second tier comp team to meet those costs plus the ongoings? What would they get back in terms of marketing exposure given the diluted and limited media coverage the SANFL gets?

As it is all 9 SANFL clubs since 1991 have seen their sponsorships and donations shrink in the face of the AFL monster taking all the major corporates and businesses given the AFL has a huge national audience and massive media exposure. Some big sponsors have remained loyal to the SANFL e.g. SA Brewing, Gerard Corp and Holdens as examples but their sponsorship would a lot less than pre-Crows days given the second tier rating and exposure the SANFL now has. The only thing that has kept the income coming into the SANFL clubs has been the pokies and as yet not all 9 clubs are on the same page there.

I can never see the SANFL expanding back to 10 teams - economically and practically it is not feesible. We are more likely to see an 8 team comp but who is going to go or merge to make that happen?

[TimmiesChin]

Ive always liked the idea of a Crows team coming comprising of their AFL listed players that don't get a game and make up the numbers with juniors.
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Won't happen, too revolutionary for this state but something I'd like to see as no negatives and lots of positives.

Can't imagine the Crows going for it either - it would break down their charade as "the team for all South Australians".

[Navy2005]

There is no point in adding a 10th team just to get rid of the bye. No it is not the right time to add a 10th team and in reality there never will be a right time.

I think that by adding a tenth team it would do far more than eliminate the bye. Adding a new team would give the leaague a real boost, bring in new sponorship and offer more players the opportunity to play in the second best competition in Australia. Talk that this would weaken the league I believe is wrong rather even more quality players would be brought into the league.
I feel that the time would be right to expand as the AFL is inject more money into rural football with the huge TV rights deal. Also the reason that adding a 10 club would do is encourage more kids to continue playing football rather than taking up other sports such as soccer, basketball etc as their chances of playing in a very good level of football would be improved. All in all it could only be a good thing for football in SA if gone about properly.

I can't see how a 10th team would bring in more sponsorship unless the team had wealthy backer. The set up costs alone for any "rural" based club or interstate club would be enormous and then the on going operating costs re travel etc would be huge. This was the single biggest negative with a NTFL team coing into the SANFL - the arguement as to who was going to wear the costs. Which sponsor would tip in money to a second tier comp team to meet those costs plus the ongoings? What would they get back in terms of marketing exposure given the diluted and limited media coverage the SANFL gets?

As it is all 9 SANFL clubs since 1991 have seen their sponsorships and donations shrink in the face of the AFL monster taking all the major corporates and businesses given the AFL has a huge national audience and massive media exposure. Some big sponsors have remained loyal to the SANFL e.g. SA Brewing, Gerard Corp and Holdens as examples but their sponsorship would a lot less than pre-Crows days given the second tier rating and exposure the SANFL now has. The only thing that has kept the income coming into the SANFL clubs has been the pokies and as yet not all 9 clubs are on the same page there.

I can never see the SANFL expanding back to 10 teams - economically and practically it is not feesible. We are more likely to see an 8 team comp but who is going to go or merge to make that happen?

BPBRB I do understand the point you are making and some of your point are quite valid yes it is true that the large corporate sponorships are linked with the AFL as the media coverage is far better then what it is for the SANFL which is at best very ordinary.
But my point is that if the SANFL was to bring in a tenth team lets say for example Mount Gambier heaps of local sponsorship would come on board you would find that the entire community would get behind its highest quality team and there are plenty of large businesses up there that would put their money where their mouth is.
I agree that a team from the NTFL would be a major mistake but a team coming in from a large country community that would support it would be a huge boost for the SANFL.

[BPBRB]

Navy - I see what your saying and it is good lateral thinking but you do the math re the set up costs, travel and other on going costs etc year after year even for a Mt. Gambier team to come into the comp? It just won't happen simply because of the financial costs.

[Jar Man Out]

There is no point in adding a 10th team just to get rid of the bye. No it is not the right time to add a 10th team and in reality there never will be a right time.

I think that by adding a tenth team it would do far more than eliminate the bye. Adding a new team would give the leaague a real boost, bring in new sponorship and offer more players the opportunity to play in the second best competition in Australia. Talk that this would weaken the league I believe is wrong rather even more quality players would be brought into the league.
I feel that the time would be right to expand as the AFL is inject more money into rural football with the huge TV rights deal. Also the reason that adding a 10 club would do is encourage more kids to continue playing football rather than taking up other sports such as soccer, basketball etc as their chances of playing in a very good level of football would be improved. All in all it could only be a good thing for football in SA if gone about properly.

I can't see how a 10th team would bring in more sponsorship unless the team had wealthy backer. The set up costs alone for any "rural" based club or interstate club would be enormous and then the on going operating costs re travel etc would be huge. This was the single biggest negative with a NTFL team coing into the SANFL - the arguement as to who was going to wear the costs. Which sponsor would tip in money to a second tier comp team to meet those costs plus the ongoings? What would they get back in terms of marketing exposure given the diluted and limited media coverage the SANFL gets?

As it is all 9 SANFL clubs since 1991 have seen their sponsorships and donations shrink in the face of the AFL monster taking all the major corporates and businesses given the AFL has a huge national audience and massive media exposure. Some big sponsors have remained loyal to the SANFL e.g. SA Brewing, Gerard Corp and Holdens as examples but their sponsorship would a lot less than pre-Crows days given the second tier rating and exposure the SANFL now has. The only thing that has kept the income coming into the SANFL clubs has been the pokies and as yet not all 9 clubs are on the same page there.

I can never see the SANFL expanding back to 10 teams - economically and practically it is not feesible. We are more likely to see an 8 team comp but who is going to go or merge to make that happen?

BPBRB I do understand the point you are making and some of your point are quite valid yes it is true that the large corporate sponorships are linked with the AFL as the media coverage is far better then what it is for the SANFL which is at best very ordinary.
But my point is that if the SANFL was to bring in a tenth team lets say for example Mount Gambier heaps of local sponsorship would come on board you would find that the entire community would get behind its highest quality team and there are plenty of large businesses up there that would put their money where their mouth is.
I agree that a team from the NTFL would be a major mistake but a team coming in from a large country community that would support it would be a huge boost for the SANFL.

doubt finances would be the draw back. Like with any country zone be it Mt Gambier or Mt Barker. You are taking away a prime recruiting zone for one SANFL club and not the other 8.
I doubt Glenelg for example will like Mt gambier entering. Sturt wouldnt like a team from Murray bridge and so on.

Basically if a country team came in the whole state wouldneed to be rezoned.