Australian Flag "Banned" ?

[Punk Rooster]

What is it about the mainstream they don't accept?

our values & traditions for a start...

And what are our traditions?

Ill second that..

Im sorry but the moment someone mentions the word values, the word F wit is generally at the tip of my tongue. To think that Australian's have some uniform set of values is well just silly. If your going to start crapping on about values, perhaps you should establish what those values are. You can likely start looking here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Australia_policy

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and yes I am going to the BDO, and while I havn't seen the 'kiss the flag or one on the nose' stuff that happened last year (im not sure if it was largely confined to sydney, ( I dont drink at the BDO (i figure you shouldn't need to drink to enjoy a couple of dozen good bands), so I guess im less likely to encounter drunken bogans outside the beer tent), I can easily see it occurring there.

Both of you are proving my point exactly- you don't even know what traditions & values we have as a country, yet you see fit to label people who do not agree with your own narrow-minded views?
Mateship is 1 Australian tradition that's on the endangered list, a "fair go" disappeard a while ago.

PS bringing up the White Australia Policy was pathetic, just shows how little content you have to work with.

[JK]

Good post Dev ... I agree with that and I think some others do too ... I guess what clouds the situation though is exactly what constitutes "our way of life", it's a tough one to define.

[Punk Rooster]

Last, equating the Eureka Stockade where people were fighting for rights with straight out thuggery shows where you're at, PR.

what, so they are based on different principles?
the principle I choose to equate is "unity".
Try & make your points without taking cheap shots, I may respect your thoughts a tad more for it.

[Rik E Boy]

r we the only country where we cant show our flag.....

im getting sick and tired of not being able to play christmas songs and stuff like that cos of the other religons we have

NEWS FLASH

we live in australia we will display our flag with pride

if ya dont like F%^K OFF

In answer to your rhetorical question, the answer is no. A friend of mine says that in Sweden the national flag is considered a symbol of hate and that it's not kosher to display it on Sweden's national day. Apparently the Norwegians take great delight in taking the pi55 out of the Swedes and quite rightly display their national banner on their national day. Bloody ridiculous!

regards,

REB

[Rik E Boy]

Mateship is 1 Australian tradition that's on the endangered list, a "fair go" disappeard a while ago.

Well said. A more accurate statement has not been posted on this site.

regards,

REB

[Aerie]

I have no problem with immigrants coming here and bringing their culture and language. As long as it's the best parts of that culture and as long as they respect Australia for what it is and embrace their new home. We don't need violence, racism or hate. A flag is a symbol and I think we live in a country where we can respect all different people waving whatever flag they like with the knowledge that everyone fits comfortably under the one true flag of our nation - the Australian flag.

If you don't like multicultural Australia then you can keep quiet about it or f*%k off, whether you're 6th generation white Australian or have just migrated from Europe, Asia or Africa.

Anyone found using the flag in a negative way should be dealt with by the law.

In the meantime we should encourage all Australians to wave the flag on Australia Day, even at the Big Day Out.

[Coorong]

Last, equating the Eureka Stockade where people were fighting for rights with straight out thuggery shows where you're at, PR.

what, so they are based on different principles?
the principle I choose to equate is "unity".
Try & make your points without taking cheap shots, I may respect your thoughts a tad more for it.

Red, good use of econoclastic sarcasm. Have not seen that for a while. Stongly disagree with you though

[Snaggletooth Tiger]

Very easy to knock the yanks but we could and should learn a few things from them...their kids grow up respecting their flag and country not like the rubbish you just put to print...

Just before they go out on a mad killing spree with
semi-automatic weapons in their High School cafeteria!

[Wedgie]

I too have a problem with our flag (I dont see why my British ancestory is represented on there but my Aboriginal ancestory isn't - not to mention I have a German surname!) but Punky's right, its our current flag and the debate on what our flag should or shouldn't be is a seperate debate.
I still can't get over how ridiculous the BDO organisers have been. Surely getting in security to deal with the troublemakers would be something to address as opposed to what they may or may not wear and as I said their stupid press release would have the opposite effect to what they desire, obviously not to bright.

[Booney]

I haven't read all this thread but FWIW,I dont think the National flag should be worn as a scarfe/headband/cape or as any other piece of clothing.It seriously gets my goat up ( a classic Aussie saying) to see Erin Phillips or Justin Langer with our flag draped across them in some Roman style toga.

I see no reason why thew BDO Sydney organisers should choose to ban the flag,no reason at all,but I guess they cant be fashion police and choose how people display the flag.

[redandblack]

Last, equating the Eureka Stockade where people were fighting for rights with straight out thuggery shows where you're at, PR.

what, so they are based on different principles?
the principle I choose to equate is "unity".
Try & make your points without taking cheap shots, I may respect your thoughts a tad more for it.

I think you're the only one who sees a cheap shot there, PR. I was merely making the point that the Eureka Stockade was a totally different rebellion against authority. Cronulla was an attack by thugs on people based on their ethnic origins (both ways). I can't see any redeeming features with what happened at Cronulla.

If you are saying that there was unity at both, you're right, but I don't see what relevance that has. a lot of people have been unified, it doesn't make their cause right.

[redandblack]

Last, equating the Eureka Stockade where people were fighting for rights with straight out thuggery shows where you're at, PR.

what, so they are based on different principles?
the principle I choose to equate is "unity".
Try & make your points without taking cheap shots, I may respect your thoughts a tad more for it.

Red, good use of econoclastic sarcasm. Have not seen that for a while. Stongly disagree with you though

Must be my night. i must say I don't know what econoclastic means, Coorong, but there was no sarcasm intended. I was just making my point.

I am pleased that you disagree with me, though.

[Wedgie]

I think you're the only one who sees a cheap shot there, PR. I was merely making the point that the Eureka Stockade was a totally different rebellion against authority. Cronulla was an attack by thugs on people based on their ethnic origins (both ways). I can't see any redeeming features with what happened at Cronulla.

If you are saying that there was unity at both, you're right, but I don't see what relevance that has. a lot of people have been unified, it doesn't make their cause right.

Well said

[Brad]

The australian flag is something we shouldn't change.

But why would many people take an Aussie to the BDO? Telling people not to bring it will make them do it!

[topsywaldron]

a lot of people have been unified, it doesn't make their cause right.

Quite often just the opposite. Beware the mob mentality...

[therisingblues]

That's a worryingly warped viewpoint, even for a redneck.

& how was Eureka Stockade viewed at the time?
Not the way we romantically view it now, I bet.
Apologies if you don't understand my point, & wish to take it out of context & twist it.

Punk, you are comparing an event where people stood up for their basic rights, with a drunken mob that started bashing people based on their ethnicity. I am sure the people that got bashed at Cronulla on that day weren't the people that committed your above mentioned atrocities. Now if you just want to use the Eureka stockade to illustrate how history just records the glamour and ignores the warts, then maybe you should choose something a little more similar to what happened at Cronulla on that day, for example: a race riot. Funny thing is though, that history doesn't tend to remember race riots very well either.
P.S I was truly affected deep down to the roots of my Aussie soul when I saw what had happened on that very day, obviously bad stuff happened for it to reach that point, and that was part of what affected me so bad.
Anger breeds anger Punk. I think the initial concept of "Reclaim the beaches" in the name of every Australian was great. But when they began bashing people just because they looked a certain way it became a disgrace to every Australian.

[Rik E Boy]

I haven't read all this thread but FWIW,I dont think the National flag should be worn as a scarfe/headband/cape or as any other piece of clothing.It seriously gets my goat up ( a classic Aussie saying) to see Erin Phillips or Justin Langer with our flag draped across them in some Roman style toga.

I see no reason why thew BDO Sydney organisers should choose to ban the flag,no reason at all,but I guess they cant be fashion police and choose how people display the flag.

I can't say I have a problem with this as it shows the passion they have for our country...the only worry was Pauline Hanson LOL.

regards,

REB

[Dogwatcher]

Both of you are proving my point exactly- you don't even know what traditions & values we have as a country, yet you see fit to label people who do not agree with your own narrow-minded views?
Mateship is 1 Australian tradition that's on the endangered list, a "fair go" disappeard a while ago.

PS bringing up the White Australia Policy was pathetic, just shows how little content you have to work with.

Too right I don't know what the traditions and values of our country are....I know there's mateship (a much jaundiced word) and a 'fair go', but these things are slowly disappearing as a result of the world we're living in - and that has nothing to do with Arabs or Asians or Croats or any other ethnic group that's chosen to call our country home. It seems that we agree on one thing Punky - and that's that when it comes to discussing Australian traditions we both seem to stop at 'mateship' and a 'fair go'. And it seems there aren't too many other people out there who can come up with any more than those two phrases either.

Our country has been called a melting pot so often - and as such, with so many cultures choosing to call OUR home THEIR home, there's obviously going to be a variance of what our traditions are. Multiculturalism is a term that came into prominence in the 80s, but we were a multicultural nation well before then. The Chinese have been here almost as long as the white Anglo settlers we revere in our history books. It's just not something that's talked about.

And when have I labelled anyone for not sharing my "narrow minded views"? I've merely expressed my opinon from what I've seen.

With the attitudes being belied by those I've witnessed who wear flags around their necks or wear t-shirts which say "my country, my flag" I do fear for where our country is going. Because even the hackneyed 'mateship' and a 'fair go' will be memories of the past. Those t-shirts have only one attitude - it's anger and antagonism.

[the tractor]

Hold the phone....................
You want to have a peaceful big day out?
Get some acts like The Seekers, Michael Crawford, Rod Stewart, whats left of the BeeGees, the Partridge family etc.
Ah, nice, quiet, happy time that would be!

[Dogwatcher]

Tractor there's a difference between peaceful and riotous. lol