Jockey Challenge

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small changes already on TAB in Melb, I thought Nolen wa sbig unders

was......

49561 NOLEN Luke 3.00 $
49562 MELHAM Ben 5.50 $
49563 NOONAN Jake 5.00 $
49564 PAYNE Michelle 7.00 $
49565 BOSS Glen 9.00 $
49566 WILLIAMS Craig 10.00 $
49567 ZAHRA Mark 16.00 $
49568 ANY OTHER INDIVIDUAL JOCKEY 7.50 $


now...

Nolen Luke 3.25
219170 Melham Ben 5.00
219171 Noonan Jake 6.00
219172 Payne Michelle 7.00
219173 Boss Glen 8.00
219174 Williams Craig 9.00
219175 Zahra Mark 15.00
219176 Any Other Indiv Jock (Sand) 9.00

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Nash $1.55 out to $1.75 TAB with money for the roughies in Sydney

[Big Al]

geez you head off to the cricket and everything happens
Unlucky with the AOJ guys, would have been all over that, just a matter of time till one of them lands.
I had Lynch get up @ $26 port Mac and LLW at canberra @ $15 for one of my best JC days
Will be lowering the sights today looking at the favs a bit more
Goodluck all

[Johno6]

Nice work Big al!!

i might even multi nash into nolen today becuase wed the favs come up more often than not it seems.

[Big Al]

Nice work Big al!!

i might even multi nash into nolen today becuase wed the favs come up more often than not it seems.

seems to go that way on Wednesday and saturdays
Ill be giving the top 3 at each meet a good hard look

[Mr_Willy]

I emailed them all awhile ago to ask their rules... I will hunt the emails down and repost!

[Mr_Willy]

I got a refund for AOJ yesterday!

[Brodlach]

I got a refund for AOJ yesterday!

Well done Mr W

Did you email them or did it just appear?

[JK]

Thanks Mickey

So it looks like no refunds from Sportsbet then, so if a jock doesnt even ride - no refund? All-in, Am I reading that right?

I am not a huge Sportsbet fan in the jockey challenges? do they do them 7 days a week yet? Sure I will look at them on a Sat or Wed but at no other time do I look them up.

Any other sites have rules that you can post. Lets get serious about this and start making some decent money.

They do most days now mate, but are still pretty unreliable for non-metro meets .. Today they did Mackay and Warnambool, and yesterday they did a couple but generally Mondays they dont have a market at all.

Very hit and miss mate.

Thats what I thought CP thanks. Unreliable. So they will not get much of my business.

Looks like Centrebet are ''all in' too then mickey. Have they all changed recently to this? maybe its a thing across the board Aus wide. So this means even if your jock pulls out and does not have a ride you lose your money cold.

I guess it makes sense to have 1 rule Aust wide, are sportingbet the same? What about the TAB. Sorry to be a pain, just doing my homework for my return

They are also slow with their markets too mate, today is a good example .. We're 45 minutes away from the first at Strath and there's no market for it, and noone would know for sure whether there will be or not. Also no market up for Sandown yet (although no doubt that will come).

I think they once told me that they basically use the other bookies for their JC's .. The impression the Sportsbet bloke left me with was that they offer the JC's more to keep regular customers happy than as a decent money-spinner (my impression could be wrong, Im not that familiar with the world of bookies).

[Mr_Willy]

Here is the replies I got from all the agencies:

It was after D Simmons has pulled out and no refunds were given as apparently he pulled out after the second race.


This from UNITAB

In response to your email regarding Thursday’s Jockey Challenge at Rockhampton, all bets placed on David Simmons were losing bets.

The original market was posted including David Simmons based on the rides he was intended to take part in. As soon as it became known that he would not take part in the race, betting on David Simmons was closed.

I would advise that according to our Queensland Wagering Rule, bets on a Jockey Challenge fall under the All-In rule meaning no refunds. Please refer to the Wagering Rule 1999, Part 3, 15B(2) which sets out the rule for ‘Refund of investment – fixed odds – jockeys’ challenge.

I have also spoken to the Bookmakers who manage the Jockey Challenge and they confirm the All-in nature of this event.



This from TABCorp – NSW/VIC

Please see the extract below for information regarding Jockey Challenge scratchings. Basically, all Jockey Challenge bets are All-In and wagers on jockeys who are originally listed but are replaced on any rides stand.

10.1.5.2 Prior to commencement of betting, wagering operators will prepare a list of jockeys and opening prices. The list will include an “any other” price option to cover any jockey who is not included in the original list. At all times the “any other” option shall be treated as one entity.

Points will only be allocated to the jockey(s) who actually ride the winning or placed horse(s) in a race. Points will not be allocated to any rider who may have been engaged to ride a horse but was subsequently replaced by permission or direction of the Stewards.

There will be no refunds of bets should a jockey be replaced by another rider.

You can view the full Betting Rules applicable to Jockey Challenge markets in the link below:

Answer Title: TAB Sportsbet (VIC) Betting Rules
Answer Link: http://nettab.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/nett ... 1157323362



This from Sportingbet

Thank-you for your email, you are correct we consider this a non starter and all jockey challenge bets are refunded and a new market created without the withdrawn jockey in there and bets are required to be placed again on the new market.


This from Sportsbet
Jockey Challenge wagers are available on selected meetings. Win Only bets are accepted on an all-in basis. The winning jockey is decided on a 3, 2, 1 points scoring system.
As the rule states, it is all in betting BUT if you happen to back a Jockey and he does not ride, best thing to do is ring and we will most likely refund your bet.


This from Centrebet

We refund all bets on the jockey challenge if the meeting is abandoned and there is no clear winner. For example, If a meeting is abandoned after the first race then all bets are refunded. But if the meeting is abandoned with only 1 or 2 races left in the meeting and there is a clear cut winner several points ahead that cannot be beaten then all bets will stand.

So just to clarify, if the meeting is abandoned half way through and there is no clear cut winner ( meaning that if he didn't place for the rest of the meeting he would still win ) the all bets are voided and refunded.

[Mr_Willy]

I got a refund for AOJ yesterday!

Well done Mr W

Did you email them or did it just appear?

Just appeared... logged on today and my $30 was back!

[JK]

Did Simmons not ride at all yesterday?

[Brodlach]

Did Simmons not ride at all yesterday?

Simmons rode but Whiteley didnt.

[Johno6]

now i have harder look i dont think nolen will win.

should score 6... if lucky might get to 8 at the most.
so chances around him

[Mr_Willy]

The Simmons reference was from a long time ago. The emails date back to March 2010.

[JK]

The Simmons reference was from a long time ago. The emails date back to March 2010.

Ahh lol, I thought he rode, thanks mate

[JK]

Sandown is a complete raffle today .. I don't mind Payne as my top pick, and AOJ and Williams hold some appeal too.

[dodgingandweaving]

Nope, nothing yet OL.

They have received a couple of emails about it, stating Whiteley didn't ride = refund me now.

Keep me informed of how you go dodgeball, I presume its all in like grub said.

Got my refund after a couple of emails.

[Johno6]

do u think bowman or mcevoy can beat rawiller today?

[dodgingandweaving]

do u think bowman or mcevoy can beat rawiller today?

Surely Brown is the only one with any chance of toppling Rawiller.

Rawiller looks very hard to beat & I won't be backing against him.