Para Districts Cricket Association 2010-11

[Executive Member]

The rule is meant to read that it is illegal to declare behind the other teams score, this is to prevent manufactured results, fair enough in Shield cricket etc. it is plausible but they play for 4 days and don't get 6 points for each win.
The rule reads "$350 fine for declaring opposiion score (2nd innings)."
Does this mean the 2nd innings of the match or the 2nd innings of the team?

I'll try and get some clarification of what the correct ruling is, back in 2004/2005 there was all sorts of rigging and carton buying going on in the last round and they put in some measures to prevent it happening again.

Fair enough too, I'm sure Angle Vale would be happy with a win this week, what's stopping them declaring at 6/150, getting us to declare at 0/0 and then chasing 206 in a new innings.

If you wanted to set the game up and declare but cant because you are behind the score you can still manufacture the result - all you do is get all the batting side to walk out there and run each other out each ball untill you are all out - would chew up an over at best and gets the innings over within the rules

No matter how much was at stake, I could never get out on purpose (I have a hard enough time not getting out on purpose though), and I'm sure 95% of the players would be in the same boat.
Pride and moral ethics outweigh anything.

agree
never said it was in the spirit of the game, it's just away around the rule

[catchit]

If a team passes the score and declares straight away with about 50 odd overs to go and then agree to split the remaining overs to create a outright chance for both teams, is that within the rules? Or are you not allowed to agree to split the overs?

[Lightning McQueen]

If a team passes the score and declares straight away with about 50 odd overs to go and then agree to split the remaining overs to create a outright chance for both teams, is that within the rules? Or are you not allowed to agree to split the overs?

That's fine.

[Lightning McQueen]

It's the "voluntarily" giving the other team 6 points is the issue.

[Grahaml]

It would have to mean a team's second innings. If it was only illegal in the second innings of the match that would make no sense. Declaring behind to win the game is a fair and reasonable tactic. Declaring behind in the 3rd or 4th innings won't win you many games.

[Lightning McQueen]

It would have to mean a team's second innings. If it was only illegal in the second innings of the match that would make no sense. Declaring behind to win the game is a fair and reasonable tactic. Declaring behind in the 3rd or 4th innings won't win you many games.

How is it a fair and reasonable tactic, forfeit 6 points in order to try and gain 6 points later?

[catchit]

It would have to mean a team's second innings. If it was only illegal in the second innings of the match that would make no sense. Declaring behind to win the game is a fair and reasonable tactic. Declaring behind in the 3rd or 4th innings won't win you many games.

How is it a fair and reasonable tactic, forfeit 6 points in order to try and gain 6 points later?

At 6 for 150 chasing 350 would be hard, but to declare and have 10 wickets up your sleeve makes the 6 points abit easier?

[OKC!]

It would have to mean a team's second innings. If it was only illegal in the second innings of the match that would make no sense. Declaring behind to win the game is a fair and reasonable tactic. Declaring behind in the 3rd or 4th innings won't win you many games.

I was sure that you couldn't declare an innings to end a match.

Checking the Laws of the game on the website, it doesn't say anything about it? Anyone??

[OKC!]

It would have to mean a team's second innings. If it was only illegal in the second innings of the match that would make no sense. Declaring behind to win the game is a fair and reasonable tactic. Declaring behind in the 3rd or 4th innings won't win you many games.

How is it a fair and reasonable tactic, forfeit 6 points in order to try and gain 6 points later?

If you are 5 or 6 down and have no batsman left or much time then you could declare behind giving your batsman more time to chase the higher amount of runs in the second innings... i racked my brain for a while there, but that is the only way i could see it being a fair and reasonable tactic.

[Grahaml]

Yep, if you're very unlikely to get the runs on first innings, the captains can agree to set a second innings target. You see it in first class cricket a lot.

As Catchit said, if a team like Angle Vale this week were 6-180 or something at tea and were long odds to win first innings, the captain might talk to Smithfield's captain about if they declare behind, would Smithfield declare at 0/0 so both teams had the chance to get an outright.

[Executive Member]

Yep, if you're very unlikely to get the runs on first innings, the captains can agree to set a second innings target. You see it in first class cricket a lot.

As Catchit said, if a team like Angle Vale this week were 6-180 or something at tea and were long odds to win first innings, the captain might talk to Smithfield's captain about if they declare behind, would Smithfield declare at 0/0 so both teams had the chance to get an outright.

You cannot declare behind - there is a PDCA bylaw forbidding it
will result in fines and possible overturning of the result or loss of all points from that game

but hey if anyone wants to do it go right ahead this weekend

[Phantom Gossiper]

Surely no one would anyway, would they?
Although what about if say you are in a final, your last 2 or 3 batsmen were absolute rubbish but you had a gun bowling lineup, you got within say 20 runs or so, maybe it would be in the best interest of your side to declare and bowl them out again? By declaring you are really giving yourself more overs and time to have a crack at them and really in the context of things, if your batsmen are that bad you are going to lose the game either way, its probably your best option?

[OKC!]

Yep, if you're very unlikely to get the runs on first innings, the captains can agree to set a second innings target. You see it in first class cricket a lot.

As Catchit said, if a team like Angle Vale this week were 6-180 or something at tea and were long odds to win first innings, the captain might talk to Smithfield's captain about if they declare behind, would Smithfield declare at 0/0 so both teams had the chance to get an outright.

You cannot declare behind - there is a PDCA bylaw forbidding it
will result in fines and possible overturning of the result or loss of all points from that game

but hey if anyone wants to do it go right ahead this weekend

where is that Bylaw, cause i had a look and can't find it.

[OKC!]

Yep, if you're very unlikely to get the runs on first innings, the captains can agree to set a second innings target. You see it in first class cricket a lot.

As Catchit said, if a team like Angle Vale this week were 6-180 or something at tea and were long odds to win first innings, the captain might talk to Smithfield's captain about if they declare behind, would Smithfield declare at 0/0 so both teams had the chance to get an outright.

You cannot declare behind - there is a PDCA bylaw forbidding it
will result in fines and possible overturning of the result or loss of all points from that game

but hey if anyone wants to do it go right ahead this weekend

where is that Bylaw, cause i had a look and can't find it.

i just looked again and there is the $350 fine for declaring behind in the 2nd innings which was mentioned before. Why is there a fine rather than having the law to prevent you? Stupid you would think.

[Executive Member]

Yep, if you're very unlikely to get the runs on first innings, the captains can agree to set a second innings target. You see it in first class cricket a lot.

As Catchit said, if a team like Angle Vale this week were 6-180 or something at tea and were long odds to win first innings, the captain might talk to Smithfield's captain about if they declare behind, would Smithfield declare at 0/0 so both teams had the chance to get an outright.

You cannot declare behind - there is a PDCA bylaw forbidding it
will result in fines and possible overturning of the result or loss of all points from that game

but hey if anyone wants to do it go right ahead this weekend

where is that Bylaw, cause i had a look and can't find it.

i just looked again and there is the $350 fine for declaring behind in the 2nd innings which was mentioned before. Why is there a fine rather than having the law to prevent you? Stupid you would think.

yep i have tried finding it as well - perhaps LM can shed some light as I am sure it was bought in about 10 years ago but perhaps it got the flick

[catchit]

Surely no one would anyway, would they?
Although what about if say you are in a final, your last 2 or 3 batsmen were absolute rubbish but you had a gun bowling lineup, you got within say 20 runs or so, maybe it would be in the best interest of your side to declare and bowl them out again? By declaring you are really giving yourself more overs and time to have a crack at them and really in the context of things, if your batsmen are that bad you are going to lose the game either way, its probably your best option?

Wtf? Why would you want to declare with 20 to get in a final with 3 wickets in hand? Nearly win on sundries if sibb was bowling

[Phantom Gossiper]

Wtf? Why would you want to declare with 20 to get in a final with 3 wickets in hand? Nearly win on sundries if sibb was bowling

Only if you were confident and time permitting that you could roll the side again for a small total and then send your hitters out.
Of course if there wasnt much time or limited time etc, you would bat out and pray the mindas in the middle get the runs

[unknown source]

im sure you could have sent back to my msg when i msgd you tuesday but no be childish and put it on here.. if you realized im never on here anymore only way i found out was because somebody PM me and told me how could team mates treat you like that so i scrolled through the pages.. thought you were a better man then this, you got what you want im out of the club..

for the record i never told jonty that i was playing he said you said i was playing when he rang me saturday night so get it right..

[unknown source]

i agree ATCA would beat PDCA if both full strength but i can tell you PDCA were far from full strength no offense but that side was a little embarrassing to look at..

only two or three would be in the best X11

missing sibbick, oz stama and his partner in crime jimmy and a fit feltus would walk into that side also jenner, chad mcinnes (keeper) - (slapper) haha

How was it embarrassing unknown? What else could have we done but win????

This was the best side that PDCA could put out there because there were 11 committed blokes.

if you didn't get picked in it you would say the same thing like later that night you would say how much better you are then them

[OKC!]

i agree ATCA would beat PDCA if both full strength but i can tell you PDCA were far from full strength no offense but that side was a little embarrassing to look at..

only two or three would be in the best X11

missing sibbick, oz stama and his partner in crime jimmy and a fit feltus would walk into that side also jenner, chad mcinnes (keeper) - (slapper) haha

How was it embarrassing unknown? What else could have we done but win????

This was the best side that PDCA could put out there because there were 11 committed blokes.

if you didn't get picked in it you would say the same thing like later that night you would say how much better you are then them

Who would say that? Browny?