Pubs and clubs to be closed between 4am-7am

[Psyber]

I have more hair, most of it is still brown, and mine was Judo not Karate. [Oh and my ancestry is Saxon/Viking with a dash of Celt.]
Otherwise not bad...

I have an acquaintance in WA who has opened a Karate school next to his GP surgery.
It's good for in jokes about getting the clients to pay in many ways among his medico friends.

[Psyber]

I'm over 18, I pay taxes, why shouldn't I be able to have a drink in a pub or club at 6 in the morning if that's what I want to do?
I'm so sick and tired of the government in this state (and to a lesser extent this country as a whole) trying to control every single aspect of peoples lives.

Haven't you been watching the TV adverts about alcohol damaging the adolescent brain - and read Piaget's conclusion that adolescence last till about 25?
Then there is the medical literature that points out that each time a male has more than 4 standard drinks in 24 hours he loses a few thousand brain cells.
Think of the Medicare savings - I must point it out to Julia!

Seriously, the change towards more drunkenness and violence is evident over a longer time frame.
There were very few places cabbies wouldn't go in the 1970s, and few I would avoid.
We are developing a culture that says weekend drunkenness is normal, when it used to be a minority activity.

[Sam_goUUUdogs]

I'm over 18, I pay taxes, why shouldn't I be able to have a drink in a pub or club at 6 in the morning if that's what I want to do?
I'm so sick and tired of the government in this state (and to a lesser extent this country as a whole) trying to control every single aspect of peoples lives.

Haven't you been watching the TV adverts about alcohol damaging the adolescent brain - and read Piaget's conclusion that adolescence last till about 25?
Then there is the medical literature that points out that each time a male has more than 4 standard drinks in 24 hours he loses a few thousand brain cells.
Think of the Medicare savings - I must point it out to Julia!

Seriously, the change towards more drunkenness and violence is evident over a longer time frame.
There were very few places cabbies wouldn't go in the 1970s, and few I would avoid.
We are developing a culture that says weekend drunkenness is normal, when it used to be a minority activity.

Yes, but if I choose to go out and ignore any health risks associated with drinking then that is my decision to make, not the governments.
Particularly when its fair to say some members pushing for these types of things would have been no different when they were younger.

I'd say social media plays a massive part, how many people had camera's in their phones 20 years ago?
I don't even know that you can purchase a mobile phone that doesn't have the ability to take a picture or a video these days. Anyone can take a picture and have it up on the internet within a matter of seconds, where it is then available for anybody of any demographic to see.

It's quite possible in my opinion that drunken violence isn't actually a bigger problem now than it was 20 years ago, its simply easier for the general public to access proof of it, which then automatically makes it a ''current'' issue. (I'd say the same probably applies for many of the current issues of today such as footballers behaving badly, hoon driving, school bullying etc etc)

[Pag]

I'm over 18, I pay taxes, why shouldn't I be able to have a drink in a pub or club at 6 in the morning if that's what I want to do?
I'm so sick and tired of the government in this state (and to a lesser extent this country as a whole) trying to control every single aspect of peoples lives.

I've been out to Hindley Street countless times, and there has been many times I've been so written off I can barley string two words together, but not once have I started a fight, in fact not once have I even been involved in one, I firmly believe if you do genuinely want to avoid trouble in town, then you can do so quite easily.

I don't think for one second that the ''drunken violence'' in the CBD is anywhere near as bad as what the media will have you believe, I also don't think heavily intoxicated people in general are that big of a problem, the majority of intoxicated people in the CBD are simply having a good time, don't want any trouble, and pretty well keep to themselves.
People who will start fights on Hindley Street on a weekend are generally just dickheads, intoxication has very little to do with it, they could be completley sober, chances are they'll still be antagonistic wankers.

There is no doubt in my mind that if this proposal is put through it will lead to more trouble if nothing else, the people out on the street will no longer be happy cos they've had a good night, they will be frustrated because they've done nothing wrong, yet are being forced to head home earlier than they'd like.

I've never understood the thought process behind proposals such as this and lockouts, the mentality that all people leave venues at the same time, and then all try and go home at the same time really makes no sense at all.
While it would never get off the ground in South Australia, a smarter idea would actually be to keep venues open later, the longer they are open the more people will get cut off due to intoxication which would then create a gradual flow of people leaving venues rather than one mass exodus, which in all honesty is just asking for trouble.

Excellent post.

It's hard enough to get a cab home from town now as it is, if every person in the city is trying to get one at 4am we all may as well find a gutter to have a nap in for a couple of hours until we can get the first train/tram home.

[Psyber]

Yes, but if I choose to go out and ignore any health risks associated with drinking then that is my decision to make, not the governments.

Those who fund Medicare may eventually think otherwise as the costs go up..

Particularly when its fair to say some members pushing for these types of things would have been no different when they were younger.

Some yes, but not as many as you may imagine - we all tend to justify what we do with "everybody does it".
I remember a guy in the early 1980s, who saw me in my professional capacity, complaining about restrictions on Marijuana when "everybody uses it".
He really didn't believe me at first when I said, "Nobody I know socially does."

Similarly, I've only been genuinely drunk once in my life, and not to the extent of chucking, and none of my usual friends have either to my knowledge.
That was just enough that I didn't fully remember the drive home, though nothing went wrong.
I took that as a warning and never drank that much again.

IIRC the last MJA published study suggested about 15% of the population drink at "dangerous levels" - that is more than 4 drinks in any 24 hours.

[Q.]

Those who fund Medicare may eventually think otherwise as the costs go up..

Where does stripping back our rights to self-determination end? Banning overweight people from eating junk food, banning people from participating in extreme sports, banning people from spending too much time in the sun...

[sherminator]

Apologies if this has already been mentioned as I couldn't be bothered reading all the posts.

Forcing bars & clubs to all close at the same time is not the answer. What we will see is a bunch of drunk revellers all piling into the streets at the same time, all lining up for the same taxi etc. etc. which is where future drunken violence will occur. It is interesting that in the UK they have actually extended closing times in order to reduce alcohol related violence. When I lived in the UK, pubs shut at 11pm with a strongly enforced 'kickout time' of 11.20pm. As a result, patrons used to drink to the clock, often slamming down as many drinks as possible in the last hour before stumps before piling onto the streets, tube stations etc. That is where the problems occurred more so than inside the bars where staff & security can monitor behaviour.

I do not know what the solution is to binge drinking. Most people I know habe generally worked it out for themselves over time and have grown out of it.

[dedja]

Really, how many people with this actually affect?

Adelaide at 4am is dead as ... will make SFA difference if pubs are open or closed during this time.

[mighty_tiger_79]

what about all those shift workers who finish between those hours, where will they go for an afterwork bevvy??

[Pseudo]

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Think of the Medicare savings - I must point it out to Julia!

Any savings in Medicare would be more than eroded by the commensurate drop in revenue from the alcohol excise, not to mention the GST!

[Psyber]

Those who fund Medicare may eventually think otherwise as the costs go up..

Where does stripping back our rights to self-determination end? Banning overweight people from eating junk food, banning people from participating in extreme sports, banning people from spending too much time in the sun...

I expect the process of restricting care, and cost, will begin once the ALP has succeeded in establishing a UK style NHS here.
Even back in the late1960s and the 1970s public hospitals were putting the "undeserving" who had "brought it on themselves" lower on the waiting lists for care.
It still happens, and the budget cutters will look at it again sometime when the government feels secure.

The issue that will be raised, as budgets get tighter, is whether those who exercise the freedom of choice should fund the consequences of their unwise decisions themselves.

[Psyber]

... Think of the Medicare savings - I must point it out to Julia!

Any savings in Medicare would be more than eroded by the commensurate drop in revenue from the alcohol excise, not to mention the GST!

That's OK it can be made up through a carbon tax, an energy consumption levy, dumping fees - all sorts of "good for you and the environment" things.
Maybe they could legalise Heroin - its users tend to be quiet and don't require as much expensive policing...

[Drop Bear]

If human beings had more respect for each other, alot of these problems wouldn't even exist.

[mighty_tiger_79]

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/sout ... 6026123310

[king of smoo]

[quote="Pag"][quote="Sam_goUUUdogs"]I'm over 18, I pay taxes, why shouldn't I be able to have a drink in a pub or club at 6 in the morning if that's what I want to do?
I'm so sick and tired of the government in this state (and to a lesser extent this country as a whole) trying to control every single aspect of peoples lives.

I've been out to Hindley Street countless times, and there has been many times I've been so written off I can barley string two words together, but not once have I started a fight, in fact not once have I even been involved in one, I firmly believe if you do genuinely want to avoid trouble in town, then you can do so quite easily.

I don't think for one second that the ''drunken violence'' in the CBD is anywhere near as bad as what the media will have you believe, I also don't think heavily intoxicated people in general are that big of a problem, the majority of intoxicated people in the CBD are simply having a good time, don't want any trouble, and pretty well keep to themselves.
People who will start fights on Hindley Street on a weekend are generally just dickheads, intoxication has very little to do with it, they could be completley sober, chances are they'll still be antagonistic wankers.

There is no doubt in my mind that if this proposal is put through it will lead to more trouble if nothing else, the people out on the street will no longer be happy cos they've had a good night, they will be frustrated because they've done nothing wrong, yet are being forced to head home earlier than they'd like.

I've never understood the thought process behind proposals such as this and lockouts, the mentality that all people leave venues at the same time, and then all try and go home at the same time really makes no sense at all.
While it would never get off the ground in South Australia, a smarter idea would actually be to keep venues open later, the longer they are open the more people will get cut off due to intoxication which would then create a gradual flow of people leaving venues rather than one mass exodus, which in all honesty is just asking for trouble.

Im currently 23 & head to hindley street often in the last 5 years since i turned 18 not once have i been involved in a fight or gone looking for one. I agree very much with the above most fights which occur on hindley street start from people who go looking for it gangs, bikies etc or as you can put it just dickheads looking for an altercation. The drunken ones don't always start the fights for example i head out get a skinful then jump in a cab at 6am go straight home in saying that not everyone is like me & some really get a kick out of starting punch ups in my opinion hindley street is no different to any other place i have been too & to close places at 4am really wont help in solving the problem or stopping the violence

[JK]

I don't think for one second that the ''drunken violence'' in the CBD is anywhere near as bad as what the media will have you believe

I can only go by what I've seen in about half a dozen visits to Hindley St in the last couple of years, and each time between 3-6am, the street has been an absolute abomination .. Truly vile and the number of blues was ridiculous.

That's not to say it occurs all the time, I wouldn't know as Im not there often enough.

I was a wag in my teens and 20's and would be spewing if people were trying to tell me I couldn't go here, or do this and that, so I sympathise with the younger generation who go out and behave properly (which would no doubt be the majority).

Hopefully a happy medium can be found because I don't think younger people need to lose rights or access to places they want to go and things they want to do, but I do believe something needs to be done about the unsuitable elements that frequent these places and cause trouble.

Personally I reckon one answer could be to keep things as is, but double our undermanned police force, but I can't see any government coughing up the $$ for that.

[Sojourner]

The way to solve the problem is more resources directed to the police to deal with the people that get drunk and subsaquently violent. Rather than arrest drunks they should be given on the spot fines and sent to the Sobering up centres in Whitmore square, repeat offenders should be sent to Glenside to deal with their actual problem as opposed to the drinking issue.

[The Dark Knight]

I really don't mind about clubs and pubs shutting at 4am because I usually head home around 3-3:30 after a night out anyway. I saw the hours 4-7 and thought what about 5-8? Would that suite the public who stay out later any better?

[mighty_tiger_79]

I don't think for one second that the ''drunken violence'' in the CBD is anywhere near as bad as what the media will have you believe

Personally I reckon one answer could be to keep things as is, but double our undermanned police force, but I can't see any government coughing up the $$ for that.[/quote]


separate issue but the police havent covered themselves in a lot of positive light lately. And its not all their responsibility but some of the items that have been recently reported are a little concerning

[Zelezny Chucks]

Is it in SAPOL's best interest to effectively police the area with current staffing levels??

Even the perception of them getting the job done with current staff levels would give the govt reason to keep the budget as is for these areas rather than increasing staff levels.