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Will the SANFL survive the AFL onslaught

Postby redandblack » Sun Dec 26, 2010 9:20 am

By "redandblack"

This is just one possibility, of course.

Feel free to disagree ;)


“Andrew, our campaign to undermine the SANFL needs to be ramped up.”

“I’m not sure what else we can do. We’ve tried everything, but they continue to grow. Their crowds are up, they’re all getting lights and most of them are pretty well off. They want more money from us, but we told them that wasn’t on while they’re paying players a fortune for a local league, so they’d have to make do with the million dollars we already give them for junior development. We told them to drastically reduce their salary cap, but they just paid lip service and tinkered with it. I’m at a loss what to do. We’re virtually powerless against the might of the SANFL. They scare me. What would we do if they told us to bugger off? We’d be in a hopeless situation.

We’d better try different tactics. They merged the Port teams and some of those posters on SA Footy said it was a plot by us. I wish I had thought of it, but let’s take the credit anyway. Now what can we do to show them who’s the boss here?”

”Not much, I’m afraid. We have no power and I’m shaking in my boots that they’ll tell us where to go. We’d never recover.”

“Wait a minute! I know! They play 180 games a season, right? Why don’t we tell the SANFL to programme the first game as a curtain-raiser to one of our games? Just once, mind you, we’d better not push our luck. I know we’ve done it before and it didn’t work, but this time it will ruin them.”

“You’re right! Stage 2! We both know that we’re running the Champions’ League purely to ruin the SANFL comp. I have to say I admire the way you’ve done it. You and Foxtel, of course. Invite teams from all states, put up some coin, televise the state league teams around the country - and ruin them. It would have worked, all the other states happily agreed, but I suppose we always knew those top SANFL teams would see through it in the end. We just had to give up against the might of those teams.”

“OK, we’ll keep trying. Fortunately those SANFL Commissioners are on our side. They haven’t got a clue, none of them know anything about footy and they certainly don’t care about the SANFL. That first game curtain-raiser got past Phil Gallagher without him noticing at all. I know nearly all the others have spent a lifetime working for their SANFL clubs, but we both know they were always ‘sleepers’, just waiting to get on to the Commission to do our bidding when the time comes. We did well to organize each team’s league director to vote them on.”

“Well, that’s all well and good, but they’re going to have to lift their game. Their comp is healthy – that’s not what we wanted them to do.”

“Don’t worry, that first round curtain-raiser will work. It will ruin them. So let’s move on to the AFL comp. Those pictures. GWS, the Gold Coast, the TV rights, etc, etc.”

You’re kidding, they don’t matter, I’m just going to keep working on the main game.

Those SA Footy posters who see through our plots instantly. ;)
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Re: Will the SANFL survive the AFL onslaught

Postby whufc » Sun Dec 26, 2010 10:27 pm

serious question R&B

do you seriously think the AFL wants the SANFL competition to thrive and attract increasing crowds.

imho the AFL sees the 10k a round which goes to the SANFL as people who should either be a. at an AFL game or b. watching the AFL on t.v

they would be extremly happy to see the SANFL become an under 23 comp which is purely a feeder comp to the AFL and have attracted all SANFL fans allieances to an AFL club.
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Re: Will the SANFL survive the AFL onslaught

Postby Hondo » Sun Dec 26, 2010 10:42 pm

whufc wrote:serious question R&B

do you seriously think the AFL wants the SANFL competition to thrive and attract increasing crowds.

imho the AFL sees the 10k a round which goes to the SANFL as people who should either be a. at an AFL game or b. watching the AFL on t.v

they would be extremly happy to see the SANFL become an under 23 comp which is purely a feeder comp to the AFL and have attracted all SANFL fans allieances to an AFL club.


I don't think the SANFL is as important to the AFL as you think. What I think the AFL want is an even-ness between the state leagues. By that I mean not 3 tiers being AFL-->SANFL-->rest. They ideally want AFL-->rest. This ideally is not by diminishing the SANFL but moreso building up the other state leagues by putting some limits on our ability to raid other state leagues as the VFL did to us.

Every time I hear an AFL representative speak they say how important footy in SA is to the national game. And of course it is. It serves them no purpose to see state competitions as direct competitors despite what many of us in this state would like to think. They are more interested in competing with the NRL or A-League than a state competition in their same sport! That would be like Cricket Australia trying to destroy cricket in say WA. How would that help their wider interest? The AFL want Aussie rules to be the clear number 1 sport across the country. They need the state leagues to develop the grass roots.

A strong SANFL competition reduces the financial demands on the SANFL and it produces better quality players for the AFL. Both serve the AFL's interest. Any other view is just a conspiracy theory IMO. The only place I hear the view that the AFL wants to turn us into an "under-23 feeder comp" is on here! What evidence have you got to support your theory? Quotes, articles?
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Re: Will the SANFL survive the AFL onslaught

Postby Hondo » Sun Dec 26, 2010 10:44 pm

Great journal R&B! :lol:
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Re: Will the SANFL survive the AFL onslaught

Postby redandblack » Mon Dec 27, 2010 8:16 am

whufc wrote:serious question R&B

do you seriously think the AFL wants the SANFL competition to thrive and attract increasing crowds.

imho the AFL sees the 10k a round which goes to the SANFL as people who should either be a. at an AFL game or b. watching the AFL on t.v

they would be extremly happy to see the SANFL become an under 23 comp which is purely a feeder comp to the AFL and have attracted all SANFL fans allieances to an AFL club.


Fair question, whufc.

I don't think I could put it any better than Hondo already has. I don't think the AFL is interested in doing the SANFL any favours at all, but I draw the line at conspiracy theories and sabotage, which I think is just nonsense.

If the AFL really wanted to hurt the SANFL, it could easily do so. I think it is a Victorian-centric body that usually doesn't appreciate the history of SA football, but I basically think the SANFL is very low on its priority list.

They make a too convenient whipping-boy for all our problems with some posters.
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Re: Will the SANFL survive the AFL onslaught

Postby whufc » Mon Dec 27, 2010 8:52 am

redandblack wrote:
whufc wrote:serious question R&B

do you seriously think the AFL wants the SANFL competition to thrive and attract increasing crowds.

imho the AFL sees the 10k a round which goes to the SANFL as people who should either be a. at an AFL game or b. watching the AFL on t.v

they would be extremly happy to see the SANFL become an under 23 comp which is purely a feeder comp to the AFL and have attracted all SANFL fans allieances to an AFL club.


Fair question, whufc.

I don't think I could put it any better than Hondo already has. I don't think the AFL is interested in doing the SANFL any favours at all, but I draw the line at conspiracy theories and sabotage, which I think is just nonsense.

If the AFL really wanted to hurt the SANFL, it could easily do so. I think it is a Victorian-centric body that usually doesn't appreciate the history of SA football, but I basically think the SANFL is very low on its priority list.
They make a too convenient whipping-boy for all our problems with some posters.


best paragraph i have heard on the whole subject.

i agree i dont think there is any conspiracy or sabotage but 100% believe if the SANFL was to become a feeder comp there would be no tears shed at AFL house in fact more like champagne corks flying.

Some interesting figures i heard was if the AFL could get the 10k sanfl crowd per round going to football park instead

10k x 23 rounds = 230 000 people more through the gates

230 000 x $20 average ticket price per game = $4 600 000 in ticket revenue

230 000 x $5 dollars spent at tge game on a drink or food = $1 150 000

=$5 750 000 per year extra spent at AFL clubs.
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Re: Will the SANFL survive the AFL onslaught

Postby smac » Fri Dec 31, 2010 3:10 am

From an AFL perspective, overall consumerism of football is the most relevant set of statistics to look at. They wouldn't actively alienate supporters of their product in the hope they would begin to purchase a more expensive version of the same product.

They may try to upgrade the support through curtain raisers and Champions Leagues but not put them off another product at the same time.

Good read R&B.
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Re: Will the SANFL survive the AFL onslaught

Postby blueandwhite » Mon Jan 10, 2011 4:07 pm

Some interesting views re the AFL and how it sees the SANFL. personally I believe the AFL doesnt particularly care too much about the SANFL. In recent times the Afl has leant pretty hard on the sanfl to "fix" the financiall difficulties that have beset the Power. The sanfl have done this to a point but now at last said enough and with the merger occuring have virtually washed the hands of the the 2 Port clubs. They will either sink or swim on their own with no more financial assistance coming from the SANFl.
The issue that is fast approaching in 2012 that will be pretty interesting to all sa footy followers ,will be the end of the sanfls lease agreement with the AFL for the Adelaide and Port AFL licenses.The same will occur in WA with the Wafl and the 2 AFL clubs over there. Stay tuned on that one. Surely the AFL will immediately grant the licenses back to the SANFL- won't they....?
I wouldnt want to stand between Demetriou and a large amout of cash I can tell you.
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Re: Will the SANFL survive the AFL onslaught

Postby Royal City » Sat Feb 05, 2011 9:33 am

redandblack wrote:By "redandblack"

This is just one possibility, of course.

Feel free to disagree ;)


“Andrew, our campaign to undermine the SANFL needs to be ramped up.”

“I’m not sure what else we can do. We’ve tried everything, but they continue to grow. Their crowds are up, they’re all getting lights and most of them are pretty well off. They want more money from us, but we told them that wasn’t on while they’re paying players a fortune for a local league, so they’d have to make do with the million dollars we already give them for junior development. We told them to drastically reduce their salary cap, but they just paid lip service and tinkered with it. I’m at a loss what to do. We’re virtually powerless against the might of the SANFL. They scare me. What would we do if they told us to bugger off? We’d be in a hopeless situation.

We’d better try different tactics. They merged the Port teams and some of those posters on SA Footy said it was a plot by us. I wish I had thought of it, but let’s take the credit anyway. Now what can we do to show them who’s the boss here?”

”Not much, I’m afraid. We have no power and I’m shaking in my boots that they’ll tell us where to go. We’d never recover.”

“Wait a minute! I know! They play 180 games a season, right? Why don’t we tell the SANFL to programme the first game as a curtain-raiser to one of our games? Just once, mind you, we’d better not push our luck. I know we’ve done it before and it didn’t work, but this time it will ruin them.”

“You’re right! Stage 2! We both know that we’re running the Champions’ League purely to ruin the SANFL comp. I have to say I admire the way you’ve done it. You and Foxtel, of course. Invite teams from all states, put up some coin, televise the state league teams around the country - and ruin them. It would have worked, all the other states happily agreed, but I suppose we always knew those top SANFL teams would see through it in the end. We just had to give up against the might of those teams.”

“OK, we’ll keep trying. Fortunately those SANFL Commissioners are on our side. They haven’t got a clue, none of them know anything about footy and they certainly don’t care about the SANFL. That first game curtain-raiser got past Phil Gallagher without him noticing at all. I know nearly all the others have spent a lifetime working for their SANFL clubs, but we both know they were always ‘sleepers’, just waiting to get on to the Commission to do our bidding when the time comes. We did well to organize each team’s league director to vote them on.”

“Well, that’s all well and good, but they’re going to have to lift their game. Their comp is healthy – that’s not what we wanted them to do.”

“Don’t worry, that first round curtain-raiser will work. It will ruin them. So let’s move on to the AFL comp. Those pictures. GWS, the Gold Coast, the TV rights, etc, etc.”

You’re kidding, they don’t matter, I’m just going to keep working on the main game.

Those SA Footy posters who see through our plots instantly. ;)


Agreed the AFL has no influence on decision making at all.

the AFl simply couldnt care about the SANFL. Thats why they placed the SANFL committing to the move to Adelaide OVal in the AFL CEO's Key Performance Indicators with a $50K bonus attached. ????? They honestly just dont care.

Why Did the SANFL scrap the U17s and U19s ???? No $$$$ reward was given for the change ?????? they honestly felt the junior system of the last 50 years was holding us back

And the AFL never threatened not to renew Ports AFL licence which is up in 12 months. To influence the decision on the merger at all. Who could be so stupid.

LEigh WHicker when announcing the amazing move to Adelaide oval. Read out a statement 100% prepared by the SANFL ????? who else would prepare one for the SANFL president.

And ofcourse we moved two SANFL games to curtain raisers for the good of the SANFL comp/clubs. Not to help the AFL gain extra crowds. When will some people learn.

But as conspiracy theories go the most stupid Ive heard on this thread. "The AFl are victorian centric". :lol: :lol: :lol:

Cos Melbourne Football Club is so hugely advantaged over the West Coast Eagles and Adelaide Crows its not funny.

Or do you children really need it explained to you why collingwood only travel 4 times a year.

CONSPIRACY!!!!!

So to clarify R&B brilliantly made point. Its not the AFl conspiring against a lesser league to become less of a comeptitor.

Its the AFL conspiring against their own clubs in their own league from interstate to be less competetive against the victorian clubs in the same league. I mean its just so obvious.!!!!!!

Ever find If you give these AFL fans long enough they always tend to contradict themselves. ;)

HAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

BTW R&B doesnt work for an SANFL Club ???? Do you R&B ???
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Re: Will the SANFL survive the AFL onslaught

Postby redandblack » Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:40 am

RC, perhaps you could read the guidelines for this forum before you post.

From previous experience, I'm not going to reply to any of that in this forum, as it will eventually mean this thread getting locked after it continually goes around in circles.

I'm also not sure why you want to get personal, but I'll answer your last question. No, I don't work for an SANFL club. I volunteer and am a Life Member of West Adelaide, which means I obviously have the best interests of that SANFL club at heart.

Cheers.
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Re: Will the SANFL survive the AFL onslaught

Postby Royal City » Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:52 am

redandblack wrote:RC, perhaps you could read the guidelines for this forum before you post.

From previous experience, I'm not going to reply to any of that in this forum, as it will eventually mean this thread getting locked after it continually goes around in circles.

Suffice to say that I'm not sure what you're on about.

I'm also not sure why you want to get personal, but I'll answer your last question. No, I don't work for an SANFL club. I volunteer and am a Life Member of West Adelaide, which means I obviously have the best interests of that SANFL club at heart.

Cheers.


So you do work for Westies, just on a volunteer basis. I thought so.

Im agreeing with you obviously R&B no way the AFL would try and influence the lesser leagues with $$$$$ just ask the VFL/TFL.

The only thing wrong with the afl is its so obvious "Victorian centric behaviour" which doesnt contradict anything because this isnt a conspiracy theory at all.

Its a fact. :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Sorry didnt mean to offend. Just thought Id comment on your well written article.
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Re: Will the SANFL survive the AFL onslaught

Postby redandblack » Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:16 pm

No worries, mate, no offence taken.

Thanks for the compliment :)
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Re: Will the SANFL survive the AFL onslaught

Postby Royal City » Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:21 pm

redandblack wrote:No worries, mate, no offence taken.

Thanks for the compliment :)


No dramas. ;)
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Re: Will the SANFL survive the AFL onslaught

Postby Royal City » Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:05 am

redandblack wrote:By "redandblack"

This is just one possibility, of course.

Feel free to disagree ;)


“Andrew, our campaign to undermine the SANFL needs to be ramped up.”

“I’m not sure what else we can do. We’ve tried everything, but they continue to grow. Their crowds are up, they’re all getting lights and most of them are pretty well off. They want more money from us, but we told them that wasn’t on while they’re paying players a fortune for a local league, so they’d have to make do with the million dollars we already give them for junior development. We told them to drastically reduce their salary cap, but they just paid lip service and tinkered with it. I’m at a loss what to do. We’re virtually powerless against the might of the SANFL. They scare me. What would we do if they told us to bugger off? We’d be in a hopeless situation.

We’d better try different tactics. They merged the Port teams and some of those posters on SA Footy said it was a plot by us. I wish I had thought of it, but let’s take the credit anyway. Now what can we do to show them who’s the boss here?”

”Not much, I’m afraid. We have no power and I’m shaking in my boots that they’ll tell us where to go. We’d never recover.”

“Wait a minute! I know! They play 180 games a season, right? Why don’t we tell the SANFL to programme the first game as a curtain-raiser to one of our games? Just once, mind you, we’d better not push our luck. I know we’ve done it before and it didn’t work, but this time it will ruin them.”

“You’re right! Stage 2! We both know that we’re running the Champions’ League purely to ruin the SANFL comp. I have to say I admire the way you’ve done it. You and Foxtel, of course. Invite teams from all states, put up some coin, televise the state league teams around the country - and ruin them. It would have worked, all the other states happily agreed, but I suppose we always knew those top SANFL teams would see through it in the end. We just had to give up against the might of those teams.”

“OK, we’ll keep trying. Fortunately those SANFL Commissioners are on our side. They haven’t got a clue, none of them know anything about footy and they certainly don’t care about the SANFL. That first game curtain-raiser got past Phil Gallagher without him noticing at all. I know nearly all the others have spent a lifetime working for their SANFL clubs, but we both know they were always ‘sleepers’, just waiting to get on to the Commission to do our bidding when the time comes. We did well to organize each team’s league director to vote them on.”

“Well, that’s all well and good, but they’re going to have to lift their game. Their comp is healthy – that’s not what we wanted them to do.”

“Don’t worry, that first round curtain-raiser will work. It will ruin them. So let’s move on to the AFL comp. Those pictures. GWS, the Gold Coast, the TV rights, etc, etc.”

You’re kidding, they don’t matter, I’m just going to keep working on the main game.

Those SA Footy posters who see through our plots instantly. ;)


JUST FOR ONE MORE CONTRADICTION

POST MADE BY R&B on the thread titled "Interesting"

"It's not that long ago there was no AFL. There was a VFL.

The VFL thought it was the only 'real' football comp in Australia.The VFL raided the SANFL for players.

The SANFL were forced to institute a fund to keep the best players here.

Nothing changes, so the lesson is:
1 Don’t trust the AFL
2 Be prepared
3 Inevitably everything changes"




YEt again It appears its OK for SOME not TO trust the AFL.

But for the rest WELL we are just paranoid conspiracy theorists. :roll: :roll:
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Re: Will the SANFL survive the AFL onslaught

Postby redandblack » Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:27 am

RC, this thread is for good narured discussion, as per the guidelines everyone is asked to read first, not for personal attacks.

However, there is an obvious difference between not trusting the AFL and subscribing to conspiracy theories that blame them for everything that goes wrong or might happen in the future.

There is no inconsistency in that.

If you wish to attack what I say, please do it in the SANFL thread.
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Re: Will the SANFL survive the AFL onslaught

Postby Royal City » Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:23 pm

redandblack wrote:RC, this thread is for good narured discussion, as per the guidelines everyone is asked to read first, not for personal attacks.

However, there is an obvious difference between not trusting the AFL and subscribing to conspiracy theories that blame them for everything that goes wrong or might happen in the future.

There is no inconsistency in that.

If you wish to attack what I say, please do it in the SANFL thread.


Not attacking just found the above statement a complete contradiction to your well written story.

And Im pretty sure others will see it as well.

If you are really upset about my post. More than welcome to PM me. AGAIN!!!
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Re: Will the SANFL survive the AFL onslaught

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Re: Will the SANFL survive the AFL onslaught

Postby redandblack » Tue Apr 12, 2011 3:01 pm

Except it wasn't the AFL's decision to have the curtain-raiser.
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Re: Will the SANFL survive the AFL onslaught

Postby The Riddler » Tue Apr 12, 2011 3:40 pm

"As much as the AFL would like the SANFL to roll over and die, support for the competition is growing among the community."

So you know more than Nathan Bassett and Bassett is nothing more than a conspiracy theorist????
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Re: Will the SANFL survive the AFL onslaught

Postby redandblack » Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:43 pm

Not at all.

I respect Bassett, but I said the AFL had nothing to do with the curtain-raiser. Nothing he has said makes me change my opinion on that.
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