PAFC is dying

[Wedgie]

I love Port supporters justification of their club in the AFL
"But the Crows are almost as sh!t too"

It was said well on the Sunday Footy Show last week. Port are irrelevent in the AFL.

They're also at risk of being irrelevent in the SANFL, the sooner they take one club and just run it in the SANFL to get one club up to speed the better for all involved.
Better to do one thing well instead of doing two things terribly.

[beenreal]

Nice attempt at deflection........so despite the claims from Timmy you're now telling us you don't have 300,000 supporters, surely you're not suggesting that someone from your football club was talking out of their arse....

As "Man in Crowd 3" said to Brian: Oh, he's making it up as he goes along!

Where did I write that? I'm just saying that a supporter base doesn't necessarily translate into match-day attendance. Last night's Crows game being a good example.

But I'm tired of the unfounded attacks on the PAFC.

35,000 Members, far from the worst in the League. And not including the crappy 3 game memberships that other clubs do.

22,000 at agame. Not great but far from the worst in the League. Try 16,000 for Nth Melbourne yesterday.

Our Stadium deal, in an era of Live against the gate telecasts. THE WORST IN THE LEAGUE.

[CENTURION]

I love Port supporters justification of their club in the AFL
"But the Crows are almost as sh!t too"

It was said well on the Sunday Footy Show last week. Port are irrelevent in the AFL.

They're also at risk of being irrelevent in the SANFL, the sooner they take one club and just run it in the SANFL to get one club up to speed the better for all involved.
Better to do one thing well instead of doing two things terribly.

I'm with you Wedgie, I think that there is only room for 1 club in SA, whoever that may be. BUT, the way things seem to be panning out, I think it would be best to let the Power go & prop up The Maggies, far, far too much REAL tradition to let go of.

[Mr Irate]

Nice attempt at deflection........so despite the claims from Timmy you're now telling us you don't have 300,000 supporters, surely you're not suggesting that someone from your football club was talking out of their arse....

As "Man in Crowd 3" said to Brian: Oh, he's making it up as he goes along!

Where did I write that? I'm just saying that a supporter base doesn't necessarily translate into match-day attendance. Last night's Crows game being a good example.

But I'm tired of the unfounded attacks on the PAFC.

35,000 Members, far from the worst in the League. And not including the crappy 3 game memberships that other clubs do.

22,000 at agame. Not great but far from the worst in the League. Try 16,000 for Nth Melbourne yesterday.

Our Stadium deal, in an era of Live against the gate telecasts. THE WORST IN THE LEAGUE.

No, YOU didn't write it, Tim Ginever did, has some of experience of the club I believe, it's not true then ?

[Barto]

That would give the AFC about 700,000 supporters. Last time I looked (last night?) there wasn't 700,000 turning up to Crows games. More like 20,000 empty seats from a club with a waiting list.

There wouldn't even be that many people who even get into football. Those polls suggest that Sydney is the best supported club in the country (at around 1.5million IIRC), probably more the fact that when asked, Sydney people would say "er we have a team here dont we?"

The fact remains that the business model was flawed from the start, Port clearly don't have enough supporters to make it in the national competition and there's little potential to grab a greater market share. I doubt that even a Crows MK2 would've done much better, perhaps Adelaide only had room for one AFL club all along.

[beenreal]

Nice attempt at deflection........so despite the claims from Timmy you're now telling us you don't have 300,000 supporters, surely you're not suggesting that someone from your football club was talking out of their arse....

As "Man in Crowd 3" said to Brian: Oh, he's making it up as he goes along!

Where did I write that? I'm just saying that a supporter base doesn't necessarily translate into match-day attendance. Last night's Crows game being a good example.

But I'm tired of the unfounded attacks on the PAFC.

35,000 Members, far from the worst in the League. And not including the crappy 3 game memberships that other clubs do.

22,000 at agame. Not great but far from the worst in the League. Try 16,000 for Nth Melbourne yesterday.

Our Stadium deal, in an era of Live against the gate telecasts. THE WORST IN THE LEAGUE.

No, YOU didn't write it, Tim Ginever did, has some of experience of the club I believe, it's not true then ?

Sigh, I meant, where did I write that we don't have 300,000 supporters. That may well be true but in an era of live telecasts, 7 day trading and so many other things to do, it doesn't always translate into match day attendance.

The world/ football landscape has changed in the last 15 years. Perhaps the SANFL needs to change with it and provide a better stadium deal.

[Jim05]

Predicting all time friday night. Chances of rain and a spineless Port side should see the crowd peak at about 18,000. Hawthorn traditionally dont draw big crowds interstate so its not looking great.

[CENTURION]

It seems to me that both sides are suffering, S.A. is not the most prosperous place to be at the moment & that is reflected in the crowd numbers. Make things a bit cheaper? Dunno.

[lesthemechanic]

This stadium deal talk is absolute crap. It is not the reason that these 2 clubs have falling attendances. What an excuse/smokescreen for a business losing money. Get more bums on seats & it would not be an issue. It wasn't an issue until the last couple of seasons apparently.

These 2 clubs have fickle fans that are not true "supporters " . They won't turn up unless you are winning & they expect you to win every game.
Richmond have been in the bottom 3 or 4 for years & still their ever suffering fans get out there & support their team.

Sure, you guys on here turn up, but not enough of you do.

[fish]

These 2 clubs have fickle fans that are not true "supporters " . They won't turn up unless you are winning & they expect you to win every game. Richmond have been in the bottom 3 or 4 for years & still their ever suffering fans get out there & support their team.

Sure, you guys on here turn up, but not enough of you do.

It would be interesting to compare the attendances of clubs like Collingwood, Geelong, Carlton, St. Kilda and Essendon over periods when they are doing well and periods of not-so-well...

[lesthemechanic]

These 2 clubs have fickle fans that are not true "supporters " . They won't turn up unless you are winning & they expect you to win every game. Richmond have been in the bottom 3 or 4 for years & still their ever suffering fans get out there & support their team.

Sure, you guys on here turn up, but not enough of you do.

It would be interesting to compare the attendances of clubs like Collingwood, Geelong, Carlton, St. Kilda and Essendon over periods when they are doing well and periods of not-so-well...

That would be interesting. Melbourne is football mad, and I am certain that the percentage of drop off in attendance would be far less than here . But , it would be interesting to compare it to NSW,QLD & WA as well.
I have heard all the excuses about AAMi stadium being crap, stadium deals being crap , car parking being crap.....funny how when watching the Crows game on TV last night that the fans were not streaming out of the place to get to their cars before the rush when they were winning .

[CENTURION]

Maybe Port need to get a bloody big limo & pick up all their supporters & take them to the game!

[fish]

Maybe Port need to get a bloody big limo & pick up all their supporters & take them to the game!

They'd have to cover some of the seats with tarps though so it looks full...

[beenreal]

This stadium deal talk is absolute crap. It is not the reason that these 2 clubs have falling attendances. What an excuse/smokescreen for a business losing money. Get more bums on seats & it would not be an issue. It wasn't an issue until the last couple of seasons apparently.

These 2 clubs have fickle fans that are not true "supporters " . They won't turn up unless you are winning & they expect you to win every game.
Richmond have been in the bottom 3 or 4 for years & still their ever suffering fans get out there & support their team.

Sure, you guys on here turn up, but not enough of you do.

Myth. Perhaps the hardcore turn up but even Brian Taylor used crowds to justify the Collingwood/ Essendon Anzac fixture staying as it is when on-air at the Hawthorn/ Geelong game.

QUOTE: "Sure there may be a packed house today, but how many will turn up when both these teams are further down the ladder?"

[lesthemechanic]

This stadium deal talk is absolute crap. It is not the reason that these 2 clubs have falling attendances. What an excuse/smokescreen for a business losing money. Get more bums on seats & it would not be an issue. It wasn't an issue until the last couple of seasons apparently.

These 2 clubs have fickle fans that are not true "supporters " . They won't turn up unless you are winning & they expect you to win every game.
Richmond have been in the bottom 3 or 4 for years & still their ever suffering fans get out there & support their team.

Sure, you guys on here turn up, but not enough of you do.

Myth. Perhaps the hardcore turn up but even Brian Taylor used crowds to justify the Collingwood/ Essendon Anzac fixture staying as it is when on-air at the Hawthorn/ Geelong game.

QUOTE: "Sure there may be a packed house today, but how many will turn up when both these teams are further down the ladder?"

Show me some figures , because I would be sure that their in Melbourne attendances would not drop by the same percentage as ours here. Footy is a religion there.
Just look at how many posters have dropped from the afl forums on this site as well, all because their teams are not travelling the best.
Like I said , both teams here need more SUPPORTERS. People like yourself , Booney etc that turn up. How you attract them, even the administrators of the clubs can't unlock that key as yet.

[Macca19]

Theres no doubt both sides are suffering at the moment. Both clubs average attendance has dropped significantly. 33k for the Crows against a grand finalist on a nice Saturday night? in 02 they got 47k against Brisbane on a Saturday night. In 03 they got 44k against grand finalist Collingwood on a Saturday night. Ports crowds are just a disaster and with how they are going on field, we might not see a >20k crowd again for the rest of the year. Maybe people are over AFL football in this state. Maybe both supporter bases are too fickle for their own good. But maybe it is the AFL influence with live against the gate etc. Youve got a strange situation in SA where both clubs crowds have dropped pretty significantly, and yet TV ratings have dropped with them. Its a bad situation imo.

[Sojourner]

It seems to me that both sides are suffering, S.A. is not the most prosperous place to be at the moment & that is reflected in the crowd numbers. Make things a bit cheaper? Dunno.

Would have to totally agree and I do think that is the real issue that numbers at AFL matches in Adelaide are plummeting, Bridgestone, Mitsubishi, various other Manufacturing jobs gone, there are no shortage of other firms including my own where workers have not have a pay rise at all even to keep up with the cost of living over the last 2-3 years. Plenty of other firms around Adelaide such as Philmac and others have laid off a number of staff to try and keep the company afloat and making a profit. Inflation is running at 3.3% and to either not have a job or to be on less than you were two years ago no doubt has many people going through their budgets and looking at what they can cut out to keep the family running. Banks are reporting higher levels of people actually saving money and not using Credit Cards, suggesting that people are far more cautious about spending money after what they have been through the past two years.

When the economy picks up I do think its fair to say that so will the attendances at Football Park, its just a case of trying to ride it out in the meantime!

[Mr Irate]

Nice attempt at deflection........so despite the claims from Timmy you're now telling us you don't have 300,000 supporters, surely you're not suggesting that someone from your football club was talking out of their arse....

As "Man in Crowd 3" said to Brian: Oh, he's making it up as he goes along!

Where did I write that? I'm just saying that a supporter base doesn't necessarily translate into match-day attendance. Last night's Crows game being a good example.

But I'm tired of the unfounded attacks on the PAFC.

35,000 Members, far from the worst in the League. And not including the crappy 3 game memberships that other clubs do.

22,000 at agame. Not great but far from the worst in the League. Try 16,000 for Nth Melbourne yesterday.

Our Stadium deal, in an era of Live against the gate telecasts. THE WORST IN THE LEAGUE.

No, YOU didn't write it, Tim Ginever did, has some of experience of the club I believe, it's not true then ?

Sigh, I meant, where did I write that we don't have 300,000 supporters. That may well be true but in an era of live telecasts, 7 day trading and so many other things to do, it doesn't always translate into match day attendance.

The world/ football landscape has changed in the last 15 years. Perhaps the SANFL needs to change with it and provide a better stadium deal.

aaah, so it may be true.....or it may not be true......it's not just a laughing stock on the field......sigh

[beenreal]

Oh well, I'd say every side has been the "laughing stock" at some point. Whether it be Collingwood for 1 Flag in 50 years, South Adelaide for Celebrating anniversaries of Grand Final losses, or Geelong for losing to Port Adelaide in 1997 in Round 3. Apparently now it's our turn.

No problem, we'll ride it out.

[southee]

Oh well, I'd say every side has been the "laughing stock" at some point. Whether it be Collingwood for 1 Flag in 50 years, South Adelaide for Celebrating anniversaries of Grand Final losses, or Geelong for losing to Port Adelaide in 1997 in Round 3. Apparently now it's our turn.

No problem, we'll ride it out.

One thing I dont get.....Port supporters throwing in memberships, not going to games, bagging their own.

Suck it up!!! I have been a South supporter all my life and never have jumped ship.

Absolutely pathetic the way some Port supporters and members are carrying on.......