Australian Cattle --> Indonesia

[JK]

Apologies if this has been discussed elsewhere, but has anyone seen this (warning, graphic animal cruelty shown): http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/special_ ... 30/cattle/

If so, thoughts?

[fish]

Apologies if this has been discussed elsewhere, but has anyone seen this (warning, graphic animal cruelty shown): http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/special_ ... 30/cattle/

If so, thoughts?

This is a disgrace, but not surprising.

I have always been opposed to live exports - not only because of the conditions aboard the boats, but also for the suspect treatment of those poor animals that survive the journey.

[bayman]

i only heard about it on the radio which included voice overs from part of the 4 corners story, now this is something that should be outlawed (unlike jumps racing which is a sport)

[A Mum]

My daughter watched this story last night - I saw literally 3 seconds of it - I couldn't handle watching it - I even had to leave the room as I couldn't handle even listening to it - I don't know how she sat there and watched it to be honest. Horrible

[Pseudo]

Just watching a bit of footage on SBS right now as I type this.

I would describe the treatment of the animals as "unneccessary". Certainly the animals could be killed without being tortured in that fashion.

Nevertheless I don't know that banning live exports is the solution. The mussies require live animals in order to satisfy their Halal requirements. Insist on supplying dead animals, and lose a lot of the export market. With the Australian dollar already making their products unattractive to potential buyers, I doubt that our cattle farmers can afford to be fussy about their markets.

I do not know exactly what qualifies a hunk of meat as "Halal" - but could the animals be slaughtered in the proper fashion over here, and certified as such, prior to shipping?

[JK]

Just watching a bit of footage on SBS right now as I type this.

I would describe the treatment of the animals as "unneccessary". Certainly the animals could be killed without being tortured in that fashion.

Nevertheless I don't know that banning live exports is the solution. The mussies require live animals in order to satisfy their Halal requirements. Insist on supplying dead animals, and lose a lot of the export market. With the Australian dollar already making their products unattractive to potential buyers, I doubt that our cattle farmers can afford to be fussy about their markets.

I do not know exactly what qualifies a hunk of meat as "Halal" - but could the animals be slaughtered in the proper fashion over here, and certified as such, prior to shipping?

The other issue was that there's not a great deal of refrigerated storage over there, hence the need for live cattle .. The treatment of these creatures is barbaric and just appalling, if only they would use the stun guns (which from what i can make out, some of the locals believe is ok and keeps the meat "halal" whilst a minority believe it doesnt).

At the end of the day im not sure how much guaranteed control we can have (or could expect to have) over another countries practices, and im sure we need the $$ from the trade so it creates a fair conundrum - im still shocked snd sickened by the footage though

[Squawk]

I suspect we cant guarantee control over the way the Indonesians treat live imports, hence the ban that was put in place today.

The saga is terrible, but how about the Japanese method of killing whales?

I must say I see a little bit of irony in Australia banning live exports of meat to Indonesia today, yet a few weeks ago they announced a "deal" to send assylum seekers to Malaysia which is not a signatory to the refugee convention, and practices caning of refugees. Some might suggest that the "Malaysian Import/Export Solution" is near as bad as the Indonesian Live (Imports) situation.

[southee]

Sick is the only word I can describe this.....barbaric is another.

Very sad

[jackpot jim]

Imagine how much better the world would be if the human race suddenly became extinct.
I worked with a fella from Spain a few years ago and i discussed with him the barbaric form of entertainment of Bull Fighting.
His response was that there was absolutely nothing wrong with it at all as the bull was "JUST AN ANIMAL" and as a result of it being "JUST AN ANIMAL" there was nothing wrong with torturing it in the name of public entertainment.

[Farmy]

Humans are just animals, so there is no problem in torturing humans for public entertainment then. heh

[Bully]

Imagine how much better the world would be if the human race suddenly became extinct.
I worked with a fella from Spain a few years ago and i discussed with him the barbaric form of entertainment of Bull Fighting.
His response was that there was absolutely nothing wrong with it at all as the bull was "JUST AN ANIMAL" and as a result of it being "JUST AN ANIMAL" there was nothing wrong with torturing it in the name of public entertainment.

if a horse flu or bird flu etc becomes a human strain flu it could be possible. Or swine flu gets out of control it may very well.

[Magpiespower]

Humans are just animals, so there is no problem in torturing humans for public entertainment then. heh

Daryl Somers did it for thirty years!

[zipzap]

Completely disgusting and distressing story and glad it is provoking some quick action.

But what about the live export trade to the middle east? Did that stop after Richard Carleton filed almost exactly the same story (with Australian industry-provided slaughter box that was still shiny from not being used) several years ago?

I'm all for multiculturalism but why we kowtow to those practising methods of slaughter that are abhorrent to us (or would be if enough people actually understood what halal / dhabiha is all about) for fear of upsetting certain groups and trade interests sickens me.

[Hellboy]

As an ex-farmer, I have respect for any animal
I didnt watch it but have heard about it and am certain the Indos arent the only ones
Speaking of which, I am certain that this will be shown in Indonesia and Malaysia

http://www.news.com.au/national/tatiara ... 6065837531

[Q.]

To me it's hypocritical that we cry foul over these practices, but turn a blind eye to inherent cruelty that exists within Australian pig farming and battery hen farming. Makes the moral high ground a little hard to swallow.

[heater31]

To me it's hypocritical that we cry foul over these practices, but turn a blind eye to inherent cruelty that exists within Australian pig farming and battery hen farming. Makes the moral high ground a little hard to swallow.

You could also add the practice of mulesing as well. Having said that the pigs and chickens are preventable but mulesing prevents something far more inhumane and probably as disturbing as the treatment of the cattle.

[Drop Bear]

Considering the way humans treat each other, it's little surprise animals are treated with such disdain.

[Pseudo]

I must say I see a little bit of irony in Australia banning live exports of meat to Indonesia today, yet a few weeks ago they announced a "deal" to send assylum seekers to Malaysia which is not a signatory to the refugee convention, and practices caning of refugees. Some might suggest that the "Malaysian Import/Export Solution" is near as bad as the Indonesian Live (Imports) situation.

Are you suggesting that we slaughter the refugees - in the proper Halal manner - before we ship them to Malaysia?

(it's a joke, people - please don't declare jihad on me)

[Pseudo]

You could also add the practice of mulesing as well. Having said that the pigs and chickens are preventable but mulesing prevents something far more inhumane and probably as disturbing as the treatment of the cattle.

Exactly.

I wonder how many of those anti-mulesing animal-libber tree-hugger dipsticks has ever seen a sheep suffering full-blown fly strike?

I would've liked the Aussie wool industry to erect some billboards alongside the animal-libber anti-mulesing propaganda, depicting the maggot-infested south end of a north bound lamb, and let the consumer decide which was the lesser evil.

[tipper]

You could also add the practice of mulesing as well. Having said that the pigs and chickens are preventable but mulesing prevents something far more inhumane and probably as disturbing as the treatment of the cattle.

Exactly.

I wonder how many of those anti-mulesing animal-libber tree-hugger dipsticks has ever seen a sheep suffering full-blown fly strike?

I would've liked the Aussie wool industry to erect some billboards alongside the animal-libber anti-mulesing propaganda, depicting the maggot-infested south end of a north bound lamb, and let the consumer decide which was the lesser evil.

and from my experience of seeing it done, the farmers take absolutely no pleasure in the act of mulesing. they arent doing it because they want to, but because they have to. as you said, it is a drastically better alternative to fly strike. short term pain and discomfort, or long slow agonising death.....