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Postby Gozu » Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:11 am

Psyber, are you going to this one? :lol: Right-wing lunatic "Lord" Monckton is back:

CLIMATE change denier Christopher Monckton, who labelled Government adviser Ross Garnaut a Nazi, will be in Adelaide - at the German Club.

Aristocrat Lord Monckton slammed Professor Garnaut the Gillard Government's key climate change adviser while standing next to an image of a swastika.

German Club president Elke Pfau said yesterday Lord Monckton's comments were "unfortunate" and a "slur".

"It (the comment) is very ill-advised," she said, adding she would be "looking into" his booking at the club on July 22.

Footage of Lord Monckton's attack on Prof Garnaut during a US address emerged this week.

"Prof Ross Garnaut, that again is a fascist point of view," he says.

"Heil Hitler, on we go."

Lord Monckton is due to speak at the Association of Mining and Exploration Companies conference in Perth next week, then tour Australia, supported by the Climate Sceptics group.


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Postby fish » Fri Jun 24, 2011 3:06 pm

Mr. Moncktons comments are a huge insult to the millions of people who suffered at the hands of the Nazi regime.

Not surprising though - having lost the scientific argument on climate change hands down it's no wonder he needs to stoop to personal insults...
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Postby Q. » Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:46 pm

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/06/28/3255922.htm

Liberal Party 'committed in its soul' to WorkChoices

By Jeremy Thompson and staff

Mr Reith, who was a minister in the Howard government, has urged the party to adopt a more muscular industrial relations policy after losing a tilt for the federal Liberal presidency.

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has sought to avoid debate on the issue, to avoid a Labor campaign on the divisive WorkChoices policy.

Mr Abbott says he wants to change workplace relations laws, but his policy will not be ideological.

But the secretary of the Australian Council of Trade Unions, Jeff Lawrence, says Mr Abbott is under internal pressure to take a draconian approach.

"We see here a pattern - every time the Liberal Party has an opportunity to attack workers' rights, it does," he said.

"The Liberal Party is absolutely committed in its soul to WorkChoices.

"Our fear is that Mr Abbott - notwithstanding that he can see some electoral advantage in keeping his intentions secret - will actually succumb to this, and will commit to an industrial relations policy which is effectively a return to WorkChoices."

Mr Reith has already begun his campaign for workplace relations reform, saying WorkChoices was not necessarily the reason for the election loss in 2007.

"The WorkChoices thing has been made - even by our own side - into this sort of huge bogeyman. You know, 'we lost the election because of WorkChoices'," he said.

"Even if they got back to the legislation we had in '96 which worked really well, which the Democrats all went along with at the time, Australia would be a lot better instead of going backwards which is where we've gone under Julia Gillard."

Employer organisation the Australian Industry Group has also added its voice to calls for industrial relations reform.

It wants changes to the Federal Government's Fair Work Act, which replaced WorkChoices.

The group says it has discovered significant problems with some parts of the legislation and wants an open inquiry.

Chief executive Heather Ridout says union bargaining claims which restrict the hiring of contractors and other labour need to be outlawed.

She says federal and state governments should use their purchasing power to drive industrial relations reform to ensure suppliers to governments maintain flexible workplace practices.

Ms Ridout says the debate needs to move on from the "accusations and recriminations" about WorkChoices.

She says that the problems in the Fair Work Act must be addressed, "rather than continuing to adopt the view that further workplace relations reform is too hard or too risky".

"No country can afford to freeze in time its workplace relations system - least of all a country like Australia with such an open economy," she said.

Mr Abbott has previously asked business to make a case for any workplace change and today said the Coalition is working on a policy for the next election.
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Re: (Miscellaneous debris)

Postby Gozu » Fri Jul 01, 2011 6:32 pm

Ltd News on the Greens now having the balance of power in the Senate:

Senator Brown has revealed himself as a danger to democracy in challenging the potential mandate of a Coalition government to abolish a carbon tax imposed by the current minority government of Labor, Greens and independents.

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/purepoison/2 ... polalypse/

Seriously.
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Postby Gozu » Sat Jul 02, 2011 4:13 am

BOB Brown has a vision of the Australian Greens supplanting Labor as one of Australia's mainstream political parties in the decades ahead.

As the Greens leader celebrates 25 years as a parliamentarian and holding the balance of power in both houses of parliament for the first time, with a record 10 Greens MPs, he envisages a much broader political future than the passage of the carbon and mining taxes in the months ahead. "I believe the Greens as a party are in a similar position to what the Labor Party was 100 years ago," Senator Brown told The Weekend Australian in an interview.

"We represent a widespread view of the community and our support is geographically widespread.

"I think that within 50 years we will supplant one of the major parties in Australia."


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Postby Media Park » Sat Jul 02, 2011 8:41 am

Gozu wrote:BOB Brown has a vision of the Australian Greens supplanting Labor as one of Australia's mainstream political parties in the decades ahead.

As the Greens leader celebrates 25 years as a parliamentarian and holding the balance of power in both houses of parliament for the first time, with a record 10 Greens MPs, he envisages a much broader political future than the passage of the carbon and mining taxes in the months ahead. "I believe the Greens as a party are in a similar position to what the Labor Party was 100 years ago," Senator Brown told The Weekend Australian in an interview.

"We represent a widespread view of the community and our support is geographically widespread.

"I think that within 50 years we will supplant one of the major parties in Australia."


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nationa ... 6085967764


I don't know about supplanting one of the parties, but the British have a realistic third political option, and I don't see why, if they continue to grow, a situation similar to Britain will emerge.

Having said that, I thought the Democrats could have been a power in the decades ahead... :oops:
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Postby Sojourner » Sat Jul 02, 2011 2:04 pm

Australia desperately needs a third party I agree, the Greens will never be it despite their best wishes though.

It would be unlikely that any party on the extreme side of the Left or the Right of politics would ever be made the third party, the more likely outcome is a party that sits in the middle and has the capacity to form a coalition with either side of politics.

It was mentioned in the NSW election that a number of people did not vote for the Greens simply because they did not want Labor to get in and I suspect that if the current polls hold and the ALP get smashed at the upcoming election that the Greens will get a similar result.

Like every other party, the way ahead for the Greens is going to be steady building of their supporter base, once someone votes for them once as a protest against the ALP there is a good chance that they will continue to vote for them. The best chance for the Greens is to keep any infighting well outside of the media and to continue steadily whiteanting the Left of the ALP. Unions are already beginning to fund Greens candidates and if the Greens can whiteant away this support they would have to be a good chance of continuing to get Legislative Council and Senate seats.

interestingly I also heard that one of the reasons that Family First lost their seat in Victoria is because the DLP have likewise been whiteanting their voters. Everyone likes a winner and I suspect plenty within the conservative christian vote would be more happy to pass their votes over to the DLP if they think Family First wont actually win.
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Postby Gozu » Sat Jul 02, 2011 5:37 pm

Sojourner wrote:Australia desperately needs a third party I agree, the Greens will never be it despite their best wishes though.

It would be unlikely that any party on the extreme side of the Left or the Right of politics would ever be made the third party, the more likely outcome is a party that sits in the middle and has the capacity to form a coalition with either side of politics.


Around 1.4 million people voted for the Greens last year. I think it's pretty safe to say they are the third party especially given Labor's move to the Right. That's why I think we're seeing the beginning of the end of the ALP, they don't really stand for anything anymore and have intentionally ruined their standing by becoming a centre-right party. If you're a right wing voter you'll vote for the Libs and if you're a left wing voter the Greens. There's no real reason to vote for Labor anymore and a lot of those that still do are of a particular vintage as born out by the age of their members together with a membership declining at a rate of knots.

I'm not sure the Greens are there yet in an operational sense. While I think it's a bit disingenuous to lable them of the "extreme left" when they clearly aren't but are most certainly a left-wing party, I can possibly see a time coming within the next 20 years or so that the Left of the ALP (who are ideologically very similar to the Greens) breaks away from the Labor Party either to formally join the Greens or to merge with the Greens as a new entity that could be called the Progressive Party for example.
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Postby Gozu » Sat Jul 02, 2011 5:51 pm

The harsh truth is that Labor can no longer rely on its natural level of support to keep it competitive. In the four general elections held so far in this century, the ALP's primary vote has been: 2001 - 37.8 per cent; 2004 - 37.6; 2007 - 43.4; 2010 - 38.

Labor does itself and its dwindling band of supporters a disservice if it chooses to ignore the pattern. It lost in 2001 and 2004, won in 2007, as voters got tired of John Howard after four terms, and managed to hold on to office as a minority government last year. What's happened since the 2010 election merely serves to underscore and compound the argument that Labor's critical mass of electoral support has vanished. Failing a political collapse on the other side, 38 per cent looks to be the ALP's natural level of support - not enough to give it power. The published opinion polls now suggest this figure has fallen to 27-30 per cent.

The Greens' 2010 election return, which saw them taking a lower house seat from Labor and boosting their tally of Senate places to nine, was, in all likelihood, a ground-breaking result. In 2001, the Greens' lower house vote was 5 per cent. Last year it was 12 per cent and 13 per cent in the Senate. While Labor last year could not manage to win a majority in the lower house, the two-party preferred vote still favoured the ALP - only just, at 50.1 per cent. And the combined Labor and Greens primary vote was 50 per cent. In other words, what can generically be called the left-wing vote was still healthy, it's just the Labor Party that's in real strife.

This is a weakness that grows directly from Labor's organisational emptiness. Its low membership numbers, and the relative decline of its union base have drained it of two qualities: an automatic sense of conviction and intellectual energy.


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Postby Gozu » Sun Jul 03, 2011 5:22 pm

Well, we’ve survived our first day of the Greens having CONTROL of the Senate with their nine Senators out of seventy-six, members of parliament so powerful that they can force Labor and the Liberals to vote against each other in order to make the Greens’ votes the deciding ones. If the Herald Sun has informed me accurately – and I can’t see why they would exaggerate or misrepresent anything about the Greens – then the Greens are now running the country, and Bob Brown is Prime Minister in all but name.

And yet… where’s my gay heroin? Where’s my free bicycle? Why am I not compulsorily married to a tree yet? Is the refugee invasion planned for next week? When does the electricity get shut off? If I die tonight, will I have to pay death duties on my five million dollar estate? (Okay, I know I don’t have one of those, but I’m sure most other Herald Sun readers do, which is why it angers them so much.)


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Postby Q. » Tue Jul 05, 2011 2:17 pm

http://www.crikey.com.au/2011/07/05/asio-gets-its-new-powers-and-no-one-will-tell-us-why/

And the key question remains unanswered: what exactly is it that ASIO cannot currently do that it could do under the bill’s amendments to the circumstances in which it can gather foreign intelligence?

An official of the responsible department, Attorney-General’s, struggled to answer that question at the brief committee hearings the bill received a fortnight ago as part of the unseemly rush to get it through Parliament. He claimed activities associated with weapons proliferation was an example, only to be brought up short by a Labor senator who noted that was already covered under ASIO’s power in relation to Australia’s security.

Afterward, Attorney-General’s produced a bizarre third submission to the committee claiming illegal fishing was an example of an activity currently outside the scope of ASIO’s powers.

The real answer of course has always been in plain sight: the amendment is designed to enable ASIO to spy on people involved with WikiLeaks, which currently falls outside the definitions of foreign states, people connected with a foreign state or foreign political organisations. The amendment is informally known within Attorney-General’s as “the WikiLeaks amendment”.
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Postby Gozu » Tue Jul 05, 2011 5:35 pm

Lord Monckton vs Port Adelaide Football Club:

Lord Christopher Monckton has slammed Port Adelaide Football Club for its decision to withdraw its venue for his speaking tour and accused activist group GetUp of betraying Australia’s historic principles of free speech.

In an exclusive Crikey interview, Lord Monckton expressed his supreme displeasure at the cavalcade of venue withdrawals on his east coast tour in the wake of negative publicity over his use of an on-stage Nazi swastika. He laid the blame for the withdrawal squarely at the feet of GetUp for its online campaign to silence him.

Yesterday, Crikey revealed that “German” clubs in three cities — Adelaide, Fremantle and Melbourne — had contacted organiser Leon Ashby from the Climate Sceptics party to withdraw their venues in the wake of the Nazi scandal. ln front of a PowerPoint display of a giant swastika last month in Los Angeles, Monckton branded decorated economist Ross Garnaut a “fascist” for his dogmatism in backing the federal government’s carbon tax, an allusion for which he was later forced to apologise.

Today, Port Adelaide — intended as a replacement for the cancelled German club date — also backed away.


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Postby Gozu » Wed Jul 06, 2011 6:31 pm

News Ltd inaccurate attacks on the Greens continue:

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/purepoison/2 ... e-country/

Speaking of News Ltd, their credibility continues to dive with the latest on the phone hacking stuff they got up to in the UK:

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/purepoison/2 ... ng-thread/
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Postby Gozu » Fri Jul 08, 2011 6:50 pm

"And they should live in trees!":

The Daily Telegraph has revealed some (not very) astonishing examples of (alleged) hypocrisy from those nasty Greens who are infecting the Senate.

Hypocritical gas-guzzling Greens – they’re still using their Comcars
THEY want to tax regular Australians out of their cars, but the Greens are still being chauffeur driven in their taxpayer-funded Comcars.


Imagine that! Senators being driven around in Comcars. This lame beat up from Gemma Jones is apparently a response to Senator Christine Milne saying that people should try to “drive less and drive more efficiently”, which is perhaps one of the most innocuous things ever said by a Greens’ politician.

Is Jones suggesting that Green Senators should be exempt from performing public engagements to avoid driving? Perhaps she’d like to see more comprehensive, nation wide public transport? Or is she simply grasping at straws in order to give commenters the ability to add considered opinions like this one to the debate

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/purepoison/2 ... -in-trees/
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Postby redandblack » Fri Jul 08, 2011 6:54 pm

The continuing pathetic efforts by News Ltd to 'destroy The Greens' at least gives us something to laugh about.

The sad thing is that some believe it.
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Postby Gozu » Fri Jul 08, 2011 7:57 pm

redandblack wrote:The continuing pathetic efforts by News Ltd to 'destroy The Greens' at least gives us something to laugh about.

The sad thing is that some believe it.


It certainly is funny watching the reactionary Ltd News vent about the Greens record high popularity with the voters. Lovers of democracy they are which is on ample display in England at the moment.

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Postby redandblack » Fri Jul 15, 2011 1:41 pm

You have to love those old dears at Murdoch's papers.

In the same edition (same page, even?) they editorialise against the necessity for a media enquiry in Australia, saying there's no evidence of any problem here.

They then run a prominent story accusing Fairfax (their opposition) of hacking :D

Do they know what they're saying :roll:
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Postby Gozu » Sat Jul 16, 2011 12:41 am

Little advertisement down the bottom of a page in the middle of the Advertiser today about Lord Monckton appearing at South Adelaide footy club next Friday night, "The facts you need to know before a carbon tax is introduced" supposedly accompanied by a laugh track.

"Sponsored by Ann Bressington MP"

Oh dear.
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Postby Psyber » Sun Jul 17, 2011 11:44 am

Gozu wrote: Imagine that! Senators being driven around in Comcars.
Robin Millhouse used to ride his bicycle to parliament (and catch a bus on wet days) when he was an SA politician - and give his pay rises to charity.
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Re: (Miscellaneous debris)

Postby Gozu » Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:25 pm

Far-right lunatic Lord Monckton supposedly made a bit of a spectacle of himself at the National Press Club debate today according to even The Australian:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nationa ... 6097667207

The debate is being replayed tonight on ABC News 24 at 9:30pm with the Ruper Murdoch grilling on live at 11pm.
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