Abbott's Gone!

[redandblack]

SP, that sounds like an email straight from the Liberal Party?

[Sky Pilot]

SP, that sounds like an email straight from the Liberal Party?

your mate Rob Kerin probably wrote it RandB!

[redandblack]

You're right, Rob's a good Westies man, SP

You forgot I watched Abbott's press conference though, and your email is a straight take from that.

Mate, you should also read stories in more detail and not just headlines from Murdoch papers.

The 'school halls' program was officially reported as a major success, with only a 3% complaint rate. Murdoch's papers only headlined the 3%, of course.

[Sky Pilot]

You're right, Rob's a good Westies man, SP

You forgot I watched Abbott's press conference though, and your email is a straight take from that.

Mate, you should also read stories in more detail and not just headlines from Murdoch papers.

The 'school halls' program was officially reported as a major success, with only a 3% complaint rate. Murdoch's papers only headlined the 3%, of course.

Crystal Brook school was desperate for a library. The program said they had to have a new hall so that's what they got - totally useless and cost a bomb with many of the subcontractors rubbing their hands in glee at what they were able to get away with charging. I know one builder who has retired to Hardwicke Bay in a McMansion he built by doing stuff for the BER. Sure, some schools benefited but so did people who ripped the system off big time and that is what the failure relates to. It was poorly administrated and that cannot be disputed. No headline required RandB. Besides with all these tradies ripping off the funds who the feck is going to complain? I'm amazed 3% did.

[redandblack]

So you have no trust in the private sector as well as the public sector, SP?

PS: I presume in that case it was a Liberal Party email

[mick]

I thought Abbott did well from a political point of view, simplistic, but most off the electorate are not that bright, Julia as usual pandered to the comfortable conscience riddden middle class, who are more likely to vote Green than Labor. The carbon tax is a great opportunity for every crook and shyster to raise their prices. A sad day for our country.

[Mad Mat]

I thought Abbott did well from a political point of view, simplistic, but most off the electorate are not that bright, Julia as usual pandered to the comfortable conscience riddden middle class, who are more likely to vote Green than Labor. The carbon tax is a great opportunity for every crook and shyster to raise their prices. A sad day for our country.

Not according to some of the 'true believers' in this forum.

[mick]

I thought Abbott did well from a political point of view, simplistic, but most off the electorate are not that bright, Julia as usual pandered to the comfortable conscience riddden middle class, who are more likely to vote Green than Labor. The carbon tax is a great opportunity for every crook and shyster to raise their prices. A sad day for our country.

Not according to some of the 'true believers' in this forum.

Yeah know that mate, but the real true believers are the voters

[redandblack]

Just a little bit patronising, mick, although obviously our opinion is less valid than yours?

I think you're right about Tony being simplistic, compared with the actual hard work and detail of the package.

At least I think we can all agree that Tony has been lying in just about everything he's been saying for months about this.

[cripple]

S'ounds to me that most people have just carried on feeling how they felt before today's announcements. The most interesting press conference for me was the one with Windsor and Oakeshott, who are probably more important to this whole proces then the greens. They seem to be happy about the effort being made to reduce emissions and have also been able to see the benefits that will come in the future for their electorates with the continued development of renewable technology. I get the feeling that they both are aware that it will be very unlikely for themselves to be re-elected in the next election and they are trying to do as many positive things as possible during this term.
If only silly Tony had not been so patronizing to them after the election by trying to buy theirs and Wilkie's votes how different this all might have been.

[fish]

The most interesting press conference for me was the one with Windsor and Oakeshott, who are probably more important to this whole proces then the greens. They seem to be happy about the effort being made to reduce emissions and have also been able to see the benefits that will come in the future for their electorates with the continued development of renewable technology. I get the feeling that they both are aware that it will be very unlikely for themselves to be re-elected in the next election and they are trying to do as many positive things as possible during this term.

Cripple you are pretty spot-on in regard to their re-election chances - here are the markets for their respective seats:

Lyne
COALITION (LIB/NAT) $1.30
OAKESHOTT, Robert (IND) $3.30
AUSTRALIAN LABOR PARTY $21.00

New England
COALITION (LIB/NAT) $1.40
WINDSOR, Tony (IND) $2.85
AUSTRALIAN LABOR PARTY $21.00

If I was them I'd be considering running for the Senate at the next election...

[mick]

The most interesting press conference for me was the one with Windsor and Oakeshott, who are probably more important to this whole proces then the greens. They seem to be happy about the effort being made to reduce emissions and have also been able to see the benefits that will come in the future for their electorates with the continued development of renewable technology. I get the feeling that they both are aware that it will be very unlikely for themselves to be re-elected in the next election and they are trying to do as many positive things as possible during this term.

Cripple you are pretty spot-on in regard to their re-election chances - here are the markets for their respective seats:

Lyne
COALITION (LIB/NAT) $1.30
OAKESHOTT, Robert (IND) $3.30
AUSTRALIAN LABOR PARTY $21.00

New England
COALITION (LIB/NAT) $1.40
WINDSOR, Tony (IND) $2.85
AUSTRALIAN LABOR PARTY $21.00

If I was them I'd be considering running for the Senate at the next election...

Not enough nutters in the Senate for you already?

[Media Park]

Bob Katter's odds Fish?

[Bully]

bully, the idea that Bob Brown would change parties and that the Labor or Liberal parties would accept him and say "Oh, OK, Bob, you can take over as Prime Minister" is just laughable.

laughable you say...i agree. Yes Bob brown is laughing all the way to the bank...if you understand what i mean. Hes a piece of work more so then the rest of them. My point is IF he swicthed or whatever then it would ruin us IF he becomes PM.

But you cant tell me that you cant see that he wants to take over from Julia?? If you cant then the wool is pulled over your eyes

Bully, you would have to have a flock of sheep pulled over your eyes to believe Bob Brown could become Prime Minister in your scenario.

He would have to resign from the Senate, resign from The Greens, join the ALP, persuade a Labor MP to also resign, persuade the Government to risk a by-election and government, then persuade the majority of Labor MP’s to vote out Julia Gillard and replace her with him!

Somehow I don’t think this is going to happen.

I know your argument that he’ll become PM and laugh all the way to the bank is persuasive, but I’ll stick with my opinion, given the above.

Brown is effectively PM now

thats what i am trying in a way to get at.....hes effectivly PM now...

[redandblack]

That's the message put out by Tony Abbott. That's fair enough, he's entitled to that political tactic, it's quite valid to do so.

It's nonsense, of course.

Strangely enough, the people who push this the most for him are News Ltd, who have openly stated they are out to destroy The Greens and who run anti-Greens stories nearly every day.

Unfortunately, many people just believe what Mr Murdoch tells them

I don't.

A question. If Mr Abbott had become PM, he would have had to also rely on the support of the Greens and Independents. He offered Mr Wilkie a hospital, no questions asked. So are you saying he wouldn't had to compromise?

[Sky Pilot]

That's the message put out by Tony Abbott. That's fair enough, he's entitled to that political tactic, it's quite valid to do so.

It's nonsense, of course.

Strangely enough, the people who push this the most for him are News Ltd, who have openly stated they are out to destroy The Greens and who run anti-Greens stories nearly every day.

Unfortunately, many people just believe what Mr Murdoch tells them

I don't.

A question. If Mr Abbott had become PM, he would have had to also rely on the support of the Greens and Independents. He offered Mr Wilkie a hospital, no questions asked. So are you saying he wouldn't had to compromise?

Where can I read this story RandB?

[Gozu]

Where can I read this story RandB?

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/purepoison/2 ... /#comments

[once_were_warriors]

Just leave it to us, the 25% that have no allegiance or bias to the Lab or Libs to make an informed decision on the election of the government.

Whilst you guzzle and bathe in the dogma dished up to you by your parties, we will undertake the diligent review of the policies.

Then again, I don't live in Western Sydney so my vote is pretty much irrelevant anyway

[redandblack]

Just leave it to us, the 25% that have no allegiance or bias to the Lab or Libs to make an informed decision on the election of the government.

Whilst you guzzle and bathe in the dogma dished up to you by your parties, we will undertake the diligent review of the policies.

Then again, I don't live in Western Sydney so my vote is pretty much irrelevant anyway

You vote for the Marijuana Party

PS: Any psephologist would tell you that the Western Sydney vote importance is vastly over-rated, but I'm sure you already know that and were just being kind to us dumb ideologues

[cripple]

Just leave it to us, the 25% that have no allegiance or bias to the Lab or Libs to make an informed decision on the election of the government.

Whilst you guzzle and bathe in the dogma dished up to you by your parties, we will undertake the diligent review of the policies.

Then again, I don't live in Western Sydney so my vote is pretty much irrelevant anyway

Not even western sydney. Eden-Monaro seems to be able to pick a winner in all elections.