Convoy of No Confidence

[The Sleeping Giant]

How is a cattle producer, living and worker in a remote region of Australia supposed to know what is going on in a slaughterhouse in Indonesia?

[fish]

How is a cattle producer, living and worker in a remote region of Australia supposed to know what is going on in a slaughterhouse in Indonesia?

They probably don't but according to this report Meat and Livestock Australia did for at least a year beforehand.

If I was a worker in the cattle indutry I would be pissed off with Meat and Livestock Australia for not ensuring that inhumane practices were halted once they came to light.

[fish]

If reports are correct, then the worker who caused all this has had some justice. How many workers in the slaughter houses in Indonesia haven't been earning a wage in the last 2 months.
The cattle produces job has finished once the cattle is on the truck. Why should they be punished for what happens overseas?

There is a reasonable argument that the responsibility of exporters does not end once the cattle are on the truck.
If they know the cattle they sell may be likely to be ill-treated they have some responsibility for the outcome of selling them anyway.
You could similarly argue that the Vichy French were not responsible for what the Gestapo did to any Jews they handed over.

Spot on Psyber.

[fish]

Is anyone able to shed any light on why this group "don't accept this is a democratically elected government"?

[The Sleeping Giant]

How is a cattle producer, living and worker in a remote region of Australia supposed to know what is going on in a slaughterhouse in Indonesia?

They probably don't but according to this report Meat and Livestock Australia did for at least a year beforehand.

If I was a worker in the cattle indutry I would be pissed off with Meat and Livestock Australia for not ensuring that inhumane practices were halted once they came to light.

There you go. My point is it's the cattle producer, who is still on the comeback from the most recent drought being punished.

[The Sleeping Giant]

If reports are correct, then the worker who caused all this has had some justice. How many workers in the slaughter houses in Indonesia haven't been earning a wage in the last 2 months.
The cattle produces job has finished once the cattle is on the truck. Why should they be punished for what happens overseas?

There is a reasonable argument that the responsibility of exporters does not end once the cattle are on the truck.
If they know the cattle they sell may be likely to be ill-treated they have some responsibility for the outcome of selling them anyway.
You could similarly argue that the Vichy French were not responsible for what the Gestapo did to any Jews they handed over.

Spot on Psyber.

Far from spot on. These cattle farmers are only concerned with producing cattle. It's not their job to make sure the produce is treated humanely after it has left the station. Just as it's not the truck drivers job to make sure they are treated humanely after they are delivered to the cattle yards.

[Ian]

If reports are correct, then the worker who caused all this has had some justice. How many workers in the slaughter houses in Indonesia haven't been earning a wage in the last 2 months.
The cattle produces job has finished once the cattle is on the truck. Why should they be punished for what happens overseas?

There is a reasonable argument that the responsibility of exporters does not end once the cattle are on the truck.
If they know the cattle they sell may be likely to be ill-treated they have some responsibility for the outcome of selling them anyway.
You could similarly argue that the Vichy French were not responsible for what the Gestapo did to any Jews they handed over.

Spot on Psyber.

Far from spot on. These cattle farmers are only concerned with producing cattle. It's not their job to make sure the produce is treated humanely after it has left the station. Just as it's not the truck drivers job to make sure they are treated humanely after they are delivered to the cattle yards.

Totally agree TSG, they can only be responsible for their own actions, They are their to provide livestock for the rest of us to eat, make a dollar so they can eat, each link in the chain needs to be responsible for it's own actions.

[Sojourner]

Is anyone able to shed any light on why this group "don't accept this is a democratically elected government"?

Leon Byner interviewed a chap from there today and asked him the same question, the reply given was that they don't agree with the preferential system of voting and the process of independents siding with political parties to decide who governs the country, the organiser suggested that the people of Australia should do that and not a few independent members being given the opportunity to say who governs and who does not.

[Gozu]

Is anyone able to shed any light on why this group "don't accept this is a democratically elected government"?

Leon Byner interviewed a chap from there today and asked him the same question, the reply given was that they don't agree with the preferential system of voting and the process of independents siding with political parties to decide who governs the country, the organiser suggested that the people of Australia should do that and not a few independent members being given the opportunity to say who governs and who does not.

It would've been perfectly acceptable had said Independents sided with the Libs/Nats to put them into government though.

[RustyCage]

How is a cattle producer, living and worker in a remote region of Australia supposed to know what is going on in a slaughterhouse in Indonesia?

They probably don't but according to [url=http://www.news.com.au/national/mla-knew-about-cruel-live-export-cattle-kills-in-indonesia-report-shows/story-e6frfkw0-1226072897165]this report[/url] Meat and Livestock Australia did for at least a year beforehand.

If I was a worker in the cattle indutry I would be pissed off with Meat and Livestock Australia for not ensuring that inhumane practices were halted once they came to light.

In the last couple of years Australia has spent millions of dollars improving conditions of slaughterhouses in Indonesia, installing the latest equipment and training their workers. The regulations around the transport of our live animals is better than any country that countries that import from us deal with. If we ban live exporting all that will happen is the foreign slaughterhouses will deal with countries that don't have the same conditions for their animals that we do, and any assistance provided to those slaughterhouses to improve their practices will end. The only winners out of it are to the poorly regulated countries that will benefit from taking over from Australia's exporting. We will just end up losing a lot of jobs and billions of dollars each year.

[RustyCage]

Is anyone able to shed any light on why this group "don't accept this is a democratically elected government"?

They are just going stupid

[smac]

Is anyone able to shed any light on why this group "don't accept this is a democratically elected government"?

Leon Byner interviewed a chap from there today and asked him the same question, the reply given was that they don't agree with the preferential system of voting and the process of independents siding with political parties to decide who governs the country, the organiser suggested that the people of Australia should do that and not a few independent members being given the opportunity to say who governs and who does not.

It would've been perfectly acceptable had said Independents sided with the Libs/Nats to put them into government though.

If it weren't true, it would be funny!

[fish]

Is anyone able to shed any light on why this group "don't accept this is a democratically elected government"?

Leon Byner interviewed a chap from there today and asked him the same question, the reply given was that they don't agree with the preferential system of voting and the process of independents siding with political parties to decide who governs the country, the organiser suggested that the people of Australia should do that and not a few independent members being given the opportunity to say who governs and who does not.

What a mob of sore losers!

[fish]

In the last couple of years Australia has spent millions of dollars improving conditions of slaughterhouses in Indonesia, installing the latest equipment and training their workers.

That may be so but clearly it hasn't worked when you consider the extreme cruelty in the recent footage from Indonesia.

[RustyCage]

In the last couple of years Australia has spent millions of dollars improving conditions of slaughterhouses in Indonesia, installing the latest equipment and training their workers.

That may be so but clearly it hasn't worked when you consider the extreme cruelty in the recent footage from Indonesia.

Very small percentage of slaughterhouses in Indonesia were like that, and we don't sell to them anymore.

[Sojourner]

Is anyone able to shed any light on why this group "don't accept this is a democratically elected government"?

Leon Byner interviewed a chap from there today and asked him the same question, the reply given was that they don't agree with the preferential system of voting and the process of independents siding with political parties to decide who governs the country, the organiser suggested that the people of Australia should do that and not a few independent members being given the opportunity to say who governs and who does not.

It would've been perfectly acceptable had said Independents sided with the Libs/Nats to put them into government though.

True, yet if the situation was reversed I have no doubt that the same concerns would be also being raised also by protests from the left wing side of politics!

[redden whites]

Redneck wonderland

[Gozu]

True, yet if the situation was reversed I have no doubt that the same concerns would be also being raised also by protests from the left wing side of politics!

Maybe, not from me it wouldn't though.

[JohnnyG]

Is anyone able to shed any light on why this group "don't accept this is a democratically elected government"?

Leon Byner interviewed a chap from there today and asked him the same question, the reply given was that they don't agree with the preferential system of voting and the process of independents siding with political parties to decide who governs the country, the organiser suggested that the people of Australia should do that and not a few independent members being given the opportunity to say who governs and who does not.

They have NFI how our electoral system works - i wonder what alternative system they believe in?

FWIW:
- (Labor + Greens) received 49.75% of the 1st preference votes v (Libs + LNP Qld + Nats + Country Libs) 43.62%

- Labor 50.12% v Libs/Nats 49.88% of the 2-party preferred

These people are simple-minded sore losers and if they really think it through - they themselves are opposing democracy.

[Bat Pad]

Is anyone able to shed any light on why this group "don't accept this is a democratically elected government"?

Leon Byner interviewed a chap from there today and asked him the same question, the reply given was that they don't agree with the preferential system of voting and the process of independents siding with political parties to decide who governs the country, the organiser suggested that the people of Australia should do that and not a few independent members being given the opportunity to say who governs and who does not.

They have NFI how our electoral system works - i wonder what alternative system they believe in?

FWIW:
- (Labor + Greens) received 49.75% of the 1st preference votes v (Libs + LNP Qld + Nats + Country Libs) 43.62%

- Labor 50.12% v Libs/Nats 49.88% of the 2-party preferred

These people are simple-minded sore losers and if they really think it through - they themselves are opposing democracy.

Why do they get added together? They ran against each other.

So everyone who voted first preference for the greens did not want Labor in government.