Rnd 23 - Central v North @ Elizabeth POST GAME DISCUSSIONS

[Grahaml]

Matthew Claughton is the number 58 young ruckman, still attends Trinity College I believe.

I'm worried Sutherland is gone, maybe for 2. Remember, when asked on TV in round 1 on TV, the President of the League stated he wanted anyone but Centrals to win the Grand Final.

Great, here come the paranoid fans. Either he got him high or he didn't. If he didn't, he's fine. If he did he'll get suspended. Not anything the president can do about it. And I've not a doubt at all the president would rather Centrals won again fairly than anyone else unfairly.

[Grahaml]

If Sutherland does get a game who would you bring in considering Milne is still out injured and wasnt in great form before the injury either.

The young ruckmen in the ressies whose names escapes me wears number 58 has been playing pretty well but would be a massive ask to debut in a second semi against either Parry or Doyle.

Milne doesn't have the pedigree to carry an injury into a final. If it was buckets then I'd consider it depending on how bad it is. But knowing how debilitating a shoulder injury can be, he might not be able to use that arm at all. Dean Cox couldn't carry a shoulder into a D4 game if it was bad enough.

Bottin-Noonan and Claughton both look like they're big enough and seem to be doing well enough. If Pumpa gets done, they'll have 2 weeks including an actual match to impress Roy. The other option is to go with 1 recognised ruckman and try to work an extra running player into the mix. Maybe get Hayes to be the nominal ruckman, nullify any advantage by setting up for losing rucks and then take toll when the ball is in general play with a more mobile ruck. That sort of tactic worked ok in the 2004 GF.

[whufc]

If Sutherland does get a game who would you bring in considering Milne is still out injured and wasnt in great form before the injury either.

The young ruckmen in the ressies whose names escapes me wears number 58 has been playing pretty well but would be a massive ask to debut in a second semi against either Parry or Doyle.

Milne doesn't have the pedigree to carry an injury into a final. If it was buckets then I'd consider it depending on how bad it is. But knowing how debilitating a shoulder injury can be, he might not be able to use that arm at all. Dean Cox couldn't carry a shoulder into a D4 game if it was bad enough.

Bottin-Noonan and Claughton both look like they're big enough and seem to be doing well enough. If Pumpa gets done, they'll have 2 weeks including an actual match to impress Roy. The other option is to go with 1 recognised ruckman and try to work an extra running player into the mix. Maybe get Hayes to be the nominal ruckman, nullify any advantage by setting up for losing rucks and then take toll when the ball is in general play with a more mobile ruck. That sort of tactic worked ok in the 2004 GF.

Bottin-Noonan from what i hear will not get close to a league game, apparently has been very unimpressive and some of his efforts and contests are very sub standard even by reserves standards.


Claughton looks the goods in the future but probably not at this stage. Hynes played as a second ruckmen in the reserves yesterday and probably broke even against Norths ruckmen in the center bounces.

[Grahaml]

If Sutherland does get a game who would you bring in considering Milne is still out injured and wasnt in great form before the injury either.

The young ruckmen in the ressies whose names escapes me wears number 58 has been playing pretty well but would be a massive ask to debut in a second semi against either Parry or Doyle.

Milne doesn't have the pedigree to carry an injury into a final. If it was buckets then I'd consider it depending on how bad it is. But knowing how debilitating a shoulder injury can be, he might not be able to use that arm at all. Dean Cox couldn't carry a shoulder into a D4 game if it was bad enough.

Bottin-Noonan and Claughton both look like they're big enough and seem to be doing well enough. If Pumpa gets done, they'll have 2 weeks including an actual match to impress Roy. The other option is to go with 1 recognised ruckman and try to work an extra running player into the mix. Maybe get Hayes to be the nominal ruckman, nullify any advantage by setting up for losing rucks and then take toll when the ball is in general play with a more mobile ruck. That sort of tactic worked ok in the 2004 GF.

Bottin-Noonan from what i hear will not get close to a league game, apparently has been very unimpressive and some of his efforts and contests are very sub standard even by reserves standards.


Claughton looks the goods in the future but probably not at this stage. Hynes played as a second ruckmen in the reserves yesterday and probably broke even against Norths ruckmen in the center bounces.

Hynes did ok, but he was clearly undersized. He'd not be a second ruckman, but he might do the role I mentioned Hayes could do without robbing us of Hayes down back.

Roy will know what he wants from anyone coming in and I'm sure they would know what's expected of them too.

Hopefully though we don't have to find a replacement. I'm not convinced yet Sutherland got him high.

[cennals05]

Sutherland didn't get him high. The North player went down like he played for Manchester United. Milked it for everything.

[Big Phil]

Bottin-Noonan and Claughton have looked solid enough from what I've seen but it's always risky. Roy might even go the rabbit/hat option and go with 1 recognised ruck. Use Hardy, Hayes and Havelberg to give Hannath a breather but start to cater for losing rucks.

Ryan Bottin-Noonan has not played in ruck in the reserves at all this year Graham, has manily played at full back with the odd pinch hit in attack. As whufc eluded to, 'Boots' as he is known, hasn't had the greatest of debut seasons in SANFL but can be unassuming in what he does and usually restricts opposotion forwards, albeit at reserves level, to minimal impact but probably doesn't do enough work himself off the ball.

Matthew Claughton (a local lad from Trinity as Groucho mentioned) could be a smokey, he is very athletic, a very good ruckman, has good skills and covers the ground well. Has featured amongst the best 3 or 4 players in the reserves on a regular basis over the last month for the Dogs. Could be a slight possibility to debut?

[Big Phil]

Thomas Dunne gone for the year!!

If Sutherland hits the head he gets a game if he hits the body he gets off.

Dunne wont know what damage is done until he has x-rays tomorrow whufc but it doesn't look good at this stage.

[Big Phil]

AHA! You forget, Schell has a fairly good leap too!

Yeah, but he can't run, let alone get off the ground Gazza !!!

[Hazydog]

personally i think Sutherland may get a game so imho that would mean Hardy to become second ruckmen and then down to Hynes or Schell as to who comes into the league side for the second semi.

With all due respect to Schelly - I'd be amazed if he came in before Hynes. I would have thought he was insurance for both Berger & Hynes.

If Pumpa did make contact with the head I think he will likely get a least 2 games, given his previous indiscretion earlier in the year which might have left him with carry over points.

If so, Hynes comes in, and we use him and others in rotation to give Jack a spell? Not ideal but I cant see us bringing in a kid who isnt ready. Anothe possibility is if they can get Milne up with a couple of weeks preparation?

[udogs01]

Is there video footage of Sutherlands incident....if not can I ask what happens?

[Hazydog]

Is there video footage of Sutherlands incident....if not can I ask what happens?

As all games are filmed I would be surprised if there isnt quite good vision as it occured in play and reasonably close to the where the camera would be located in the grandstand. If not it goes on the umpires evidence I guess.

[Agile]

Deserves at least one game for STUPIDITY and then another for more STUPIDITY right in front of the coaches box when the ball was clearly out of play and he had an uncontrollable urge to be STUPID and try and collect Miles without reason other than to be STUPID. Good on ya Sutherland. Maybe miss the grand for being STUPID

[CENTURION]

Deserves at least one game for STUPIDITY and then another for more STUPIDITY right in front of the coaches box when the ball was clearly out of play and he had an uncontrollable urge to be STUPID and try and collect Miles without reason other than to be STUPID. Good on ya Sutherland. Maybe miss the grand for being STUPID

still bitter about missing the finals?

[Agile]

Deserves at least one game for STUPIDITY and then another for more STUPIDITY right in front of the coaches box when the ball was clearly out of play and he had an uncontrollable urge to be STUPID and try and collect Miles without reason other than to be STUPID. Good on ya Sutherland. Maybe miss the grand for being STUPID

still bitter about missing the finals?

No, North ended up where they deserve to be. Sutherland was stupid. End of story. Good luck with the finals

[Apachebulldog]

What are you talking about agile from what i saw the incident was just west of the centre the ball was in play it was a great body hit and the North player milked it for all it was worth now if Sutherland wanted to hit him head high he would of not got up and would of been seeing little red roosters for a week i think some SANFL supporters are watching too much AFL now thats a code where you get rubbed out for tackling hip and shoulder bumps you name it very pathetic .

[Apachebulldog]

Or are you referring to another good hard body hip and shoulder by Sutherland because he laid a few on Saturday ?????

[SANFLnut]

Can Gowans and Spurr come back through the Reserves next week as they missed this week or do they have to wait until league and reserves play on same day? Might struggle to make the twos side after the way they must have played against Roosters.

[Big Phil]

Can Gowans and Spurr come back through the Reserves next week as they missed this week or do they have to wait until league and reserves play on same day? Might struggle to make the twos side after the way they must have played against Roosters.

Pretty sure they can have a run in the reserves if Laird wishes for them to have the run. As good as the Dogs' ressies played, the Roosters were really poor.

L.Spurr and C.Gowans would somehow force their way into the line-up one would think With Daniel Schell qualified now, the 2's can go back to having the full 21 take the field and play.

[HOORAY PUNT]

Can Gowans and Spurr come back through the Reserves next week as they missed this week or do they have to wait until league and reserves play on same day? Might struggle to make the twos side after the way they must have played against Roosters.

Pretty sure they can have a run in the reserves if Laird wishes for them to have the run. As good as the Dogs' ressies played, the Roosters were really poor.

L.Spurr and C.Gowans would somehow force their way into the line-up one would think With Daniel Schell qualified now, the 2's can go back to having 21 actual players play.

Were they not real ?

[Big Phil]

Can Gowans and Spurr come back through the Reserves next week as they missed this week or do they have to wait until league and reserves play on same day? Might struggle to make the twos side after the way they must have played against Roosters.

Pretty sure they can have a run in the reserves if Laird wishes for them to have the run. As good as the Dogs' ressies played, the Roosters were really poor.

L.Spurr and C.Gowans would somehow force their way into the line-up one would think With Daniel Schell qualified now, the 2's can go back to having 21 actual players play.

Were they not real ?

No, HP, they weren't real.

I admit it wasn't worded in the simplest of manners, but you know what I meant.

I edited my post accordingly so it is more simplistic for those that struggled to understand what I was saying.