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Re: HFL Country Division

Postby Gervais » Wed Oct 05, 2011 8:19 am

The informer wrote:There is an AGM in a couple of weeks where the decision will be made... There is some drive to head back to Central but we will wait and see. Some players obviously sick of the lack of a competetive game every week and the development that this has for younger players.
Colts is also an issue. I think our Junior Colts player Echunga 6 times or something crazy like that...
I would imagine if Callington and Sedan weren't in the league then we'd have no drama's about staying down becuase other clubs will catch up/things will level out (Kangarilla, Meadows and Nairne all great colts and clubs. Don't know about Maccy!) and our population base is not really on the level of Central clubs and we also don't have the proximety to large population bases...


having watched a bit of both divisions this year, if birdwood choose to return to central division in 2012 they will simply be making up the numbers in a grade. the difference between the two divisions is huge and the best they could hope for is to finish 9th (maybe above bridgewater).

why bother.
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Re: HFL Country Division

Postby Justquietly » Wed Oct 05, 2011 11:31 am

R. White wrote:
Justquietly wrote:
Dutchy wrote:So boards now decide coaches on training performance not premierships?

So if he go the trainings right but lost the flag he would still be there? :lol:

=D>
Yeah, good luck to the Dees & the all-important trainings next season.
On another note, Echunga & Birdwood definitely no-go's into Central?


Ever heard the expression, "play how you train" JQ?

Sure have, R.White. Why you chose that expression for a club that WON a flag is beyond me though. Some of the other points made sense, but according to your logic perhaps the Dees can win TWO A grade flags next year...if they train better.
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Re: HFL Country Division

Postby Banker » Wed Oct 05, 2011 3:06 pm

Dont Torrens Valley have to return to Country Div, if Birdwood decide to return to Central?
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Re: HFL Country Division

Postby bailey39 » Wed Oct 05, 2011 3:55 pm

Banker wrote:Dont Torrens Valley have to return to Country Div, if Birdwood decide to return to Central?

Yeah you would think so. they wouldn't want two teams having a bye each week
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Re: HFL Country Division

Postby MLWALKER » Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:37 pm

Kickittometoo wrote:Sorry to be so far behind the play. You have made a very good point Crumber. Regarding under 13's, my mate's son was in exactly the same position against Callington earlier this season in that at 11 and a half years old he found himself standing a permit kid who was 14 and a half. No attempt was made by the Callington coach to even things up, he just wanted to win. Mate's son does not want to play against Callington again. Hope the above responses help to answer your question ball-breaker.


What a load of crap! You morons keep going on and on about the permit players we had, but firstly, 14 1/2?? Where do you pull that crap info from? Those permit players were not even 14 yet, and secondly, you convienently leave out the fact that we had another 9 players between 7-10 yo. You crap on about an 11yo being stood by a 13yo, but make no mention of standing our 7-8 yo's with 11-12 yo's, how is that any different?
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Re: HFL Country Division

Postby youngpace » Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:42 am

MLWALKER wrote:
Kickittometoo wrote:Sorry to be so far behind the play. You have made a very good point Crumber. Regarding under 13's, my mate's son was in exactly the same position against Callington earlier this season in that at 11 and a half years old he found himself standing a permit kid who was 14 and a half. No attempt was made by the Callington coach to even things up, he just wanted to win. Mate's son does not want to play against Callington again. Hope the above responses help to answer your question ball-breaker.


What a load of crap! You morons keep going on and on about the permit players we had, but firstly, 14 1/2?? Where do you pull that crap info from? Those permit players were not even 14 yet, and secondly, you convienently leave out the fact that we had another 9 players between 7-10 yo. You crap on about an 11yo being stood by a 13yo, but make no mention of standing our 7-8 yo's with 11-12 yo's, how is that any different?


True in these situations ages do sometimes get plucked from the air. Now i cant speak for KITM but i am guessing that he left that out as it is the under 13's comp, you moron! you right it's not the under 11's, 9's or 8's, your statement go's to show that you have kids playing way out of their age group which is not good for anyone, the kids themselves or the other team. These 7 year olds shouldnt have to be playing again 13's. Do the right thing by these kids and take them to a club were they can play at the own size and skill level and develope their game and most importantly have more fun in a competion suited to them. Cally cant not currently (and i do not see them ever again) provide for those kids what they need, how many of them will still be wanting to play footy when they are 14/ after as many as 7 years of playing out of their depth and getting smashed each week!
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Re: HFL Country Division

Postby carey » Thu Oct 06, 2011 1:34 pm

I hear Thomo has been re-appointed at Gumeraca.

Fair enough i would've thought given there results
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Re: HFL Country Division

Postby On The Pine » Thu Oct 06, 2011 2:32 pm

youngpace wrote:
MLWALKER wrote:
Kickittometoo wrote:Sorry to be so far behind the play. You have made a very good point Crumber. Regarding under 13's, my mate's son was in exactly the same position against Callington earlier this season in that at 11 and a half years old he found himself standing a permit kid who was 14 and a half. No attempt was made by the Callington coach to even things up, he just wanted to win. Mate's son does not want to play against Callington again. Hope the above responses help to answer your question ball-breaker.


What a load of crap! You morons keep going on and on about the permit players we had, but firstly, 14 1/2?? Where do you pull that crap info from? Those permit players were not even 14 yet, and secondly, you convienently leave out the fact that we had another 9 players between 7-10 yo. You crap on about an 11yo being stood by a 13yo, but make no mention of standing our 7-8 yo's with 11-12 yo's, how is that any different?


True in these situations ages do sometimes get plucked from the air. Now i cant speak for KITM but i am guessing that he left that out as it is the under 13's comp, you moron! you right it's not the under 11's, 9's or 8's, your statement go's to show that you have kids playing way out of their age group which is not good for anyone, the kids themselves or the other team. These 7 year olds shouldnt have to be playing again 13's. Do the right thing by these kids and take them to a club were they can play at the own size and skill level and develope their game and most importantly have more fun in a competion suited to them. Cally cant not currently (and i do not see them ever again) provide for those kids what they need, how many of them will still be wanting to play footy when they are 14/ after as many as 7 years of playing out of their depth and getting smashed each week!


While it would be ideal to have enough kids to play each age group, unfortunately it is not possible. United and Sedan aren't orphans here though so to have a crack at one or the other to push the bigger cause is unfair. Many other leagues across the state have the same disparities too. As for the kid's development, you just have to see how they do dominate when they play in their own age groups at the junior carnivals.

On another note, Sedan have all but finalised 2012 coaching and recruitment. Expect to see another step taken forward next year.
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Re: HFL Country Division

Postby The Crumber » Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:22 pm

How very rude ML WALKER. We're not "morons" on here for having a valid point of view. And youngpace is correct in that decent and competitive junior football is played when there's an even playing field. You maintain that 11 year olds standing 14 year olds doesn't happen at Callington, then you justify your own clubs' position by saying that seven years olds standing 10 year olds is okay. All very confusing. As far as I can see the bottom line is that if your club is genuine and sincere about keeping kids in the game, you'd ensure that every single one of them is referred to a club which can accommodate them until your own club can.
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Re: HFL Country Division

Postby MLWALKER » Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:50 am

The Crumber wrote:How very rude ML WALKER. We're not "morons" on here for having a valid point of view. And youngpace is correct in that decent and competitive junior football is played when there's an even playing field. You maintain that 11 year olds standing 14 year olds doesn't happen at Callington, then you justify your own clubs' position by saying that seven years olds standing 10 year olds is okay. All very confusing. As far as I can see the bottom line is that if your club is genuine and sincere about keeping kids in the game, you'd ensure that every single one of them is referred to a club which can accommodate them until your own club can.


Thank you to the "all knowing" Crumber for your insightful views! Proving 1: You can't read, and 2: You sprout off without having a clue what your on about!

The Crumber wrote:"You maintain that 11 year olds standing 14 year olds doesn't happen at Callington"
Again, how could this have happened if we were not playing 14 year olds???

The Crumber wrote:"then you justify your own clubs' position by saying that seven years olds standing 10 year olds is okay. All very confusing."
You have completely misunderstood this comment and failed to see the point of it. It is not us, but other clubs that think it's unfair for us to play 13 yo permit players against 11 & 12 year olds, but they are quite happy to match their 12 year olds with our 7 / 8 / 9 year olds, instead of matching them with their younger 10 / 11 year olds.

In a perfect world it would be great if all competitions were fair and even, but the fact is there simply isnt enough kids to go around when you have so many clubs in close proximity to each other. Especially when certain clubs with already great numbers purposely target smaller already struggling areas. How does a club like us have a chance when we're up against somewhere like Nairne who were purposely targeting our own town primary school?

Because we are struggling for Junior numbers, we're supposed to just give up on them completely??? None of those remaining kids were forced to stay with us. The older ones have been together and a part of the club for a long time, and even most of the younger underage boys have still played a couple of years of modifieds with us. They were there because they wanted to be there.

None of the underage kids were forced to play Under 13's. Most of them decided they wanted to and played the first few weeks before modifieds began and loved it. It was them that did not want to go back down.

The Crumber wrote:As far as I can see the bottom line is that if your club is genuine and sincere about keeping kids in the game, you'd ensure that every single one of them is referred to a club which can accommodate them until your own club can.
Well as far as I can see the bottom line is that if OTHER CLUBS are genuine and sincere about keeping kids in the game, they would cap each age group at a certain number and refer extras to help boost struggling clubs. But the sad truth is some of these clubs don't care as much about the game / sport as they do about the win. So the strong will keep getting stronger and the weak will keep getting weaker.

A great point from On the Pine as well, people keep saying we were disadvantaging these younger kids, but if fact it was the opposite, the carnivals proved that when they did play the combined United / Sedan boys did get a chance to play their own age level, 8 wins from 8 games, absolutely dominating the opposition.

youngpace wrote:Cally cant not currently (and i do not see them ever again) provide for those kids what they need, how many of them will still be wanting to play footy when they are 14/ after as many as 7 years of playing out of their depth and getting smashed each week!
Keep getting smashed each week?? Not sure what planet your on? Our 13's finished above you and actually made the finals. You really can't talk, you have your own 13's goal umpire caught on film calling a clear point as a goal so you can win the game and get ahead of us, but i the end it still didn't matter!
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Re: HFL Country Division

Postby redsox » Fri Oct 07, 2011 7:07 pm

MLWALKER wrote:
The Crumber wrote:How very rude ML WALKER. We're not "morons" on here for having a valid point of view. And youngpace is correct in that decent and competitive junior football is played when there's an even playing field. You maintain that 11 year olds standing 14 year olds doesn't happen at Callington, then you justify your own clubs' position by saying that seven years olds standing 10 year olds is okay. All very confusing. As far as I can see the bottom line is that if your club is genuine and sincere about keeping kids in the game, you'd ensure that every single one of them is referred to a club which can accommodate them until your own club can.


Thank you to the "all knowing" Crumber for your insightful views! Proving 1: You can't read, and 2: You sprout off without having a clue what your on about!

The Crumber wrote:"You maintain that 11 year olds standing 14 year olds doesn't happen at Callington"
Again, how could this have happened if we were not playing 14 year olds???

The Crumber wrote:"then you justify your own clubs' position by saying that seven years olds standing 10 year olds is okay. All very confusing."
You have completely misunderstood this comment and failed to see the point of it. It is not us, but other clubs that think it's unfair for us to play 13 yo permit players against 11 & 12 year olds, but they are quite happy to match their 12 year olds with our 7 / 8 / 9 year olds, instead of matching them with their younger 10 / 11 year olds.

In a perfect world it would be great if all competitions were fair and even, but the fact is there simply isnt enough kids to go around when you have so many clubs in close proximity to each other. Especially when certain clubs with already great numbers purposely target smaller already struggling areas. How does a club like us have a chance when we're up against somewhere like Nairne who were purposely targeting our own town primary school?

Because we are struggling for Junior numbers, we're supposed to just give up on them completely??? None of those remaining kids were forced to stay with us. The older ones have been together and a part of the club for a long time, and even most of the younger underage boys have still played a couple of years of modifieds with us. They were there because they wanted to be there.

None of the underage kids were forced to play Under 13's. Most of them decided they wanted to and played the first few weeks before modifieds began and loved it. It was them that did not want to go back down.

The Crumber wrote:As far as I can see the bottom line is that if your club is genuine and sincere about keeping kids in the game, you'd ensure that every single one of them is referred to a club which can accommodate them until your own club can.
Well as far as I can see the bottom line is that if OTHER CLUBS are genuine and sincere about keeping kids in the game, they would cap each age group at a certain number and refer extras to help boost struggling clubs. But the sad truth is some of these clubs don't care as much about the game / sport as they do about the win. So the strong will keep getting stronger and the weak will keep getting weaker.

A great point from On the Pine as well, people keep saying we were disadvantaging these younger kids, but if fact it was the opposite, the carnivals proved that when they did play the combined United / Sedan boys did get a chance to play their own age level, 8 wins from 8 games, absolutely dominating the opposition.

youngpace wrote:Cally cant not currently (and i do not see them ever again) provide for those kids what they need, how many of them will still be wanting to play footy when they are 14/ after as many as 7 years of playing out of their depth and getting smashed each week!
Keep getting smashed each week?? Not sure what planet your on? Our 13's finished above you and actually made the finals. You really can't talk, you have your own 13's goal umpire caught on film calling a clear point as a goal so you can win the game and get ahead of us, but i the end it still didn't matter!



The HFL should just scrap the permits. Simple as that.
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Re: HFL Country Division

Postby The Crumber » Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:54 pm

Cheers ML WALKER. I'm not going to take up a page on here squabbling.

Let's just keep it clean with no name-calling.

redsox has the obvious solution when he suggests the permit system be scrapped altogether. It's open to abuse and a giant 'can of worms'.

If other clubs are scooping up your kids, then I suppose you need to work harder. The new mines are closer to Callington than Nairne.
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Re: HFL Country Division

Postby The Duke » Sat Oct 08, 2011 10:28 am

While sipping my cup of tea this morning I read P17 of today’s agoniser, which tells the story of a bloke who has made a huge "IMPACT" on SA footy. Greatest ambassador for the game.
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Re: HFL Country Division

Postby PitBull » Sat Oct 08, 2011 5:33 pm

Believe Maccy have appointed Craig Lizzard as Senior Coach
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Re: HFL Country Division

Postby Droversdog » Sat Oct 08, 2011 7:59 pm

The Crumber wrote:Cheers ML WALKER. I'm not going to take up a page on here squabbling.

Let's just keep it clean with no name-calling.

redsox has the obvious solution when he suggests the permit system be scrapped altogether. It's open to abuse and a giant 'can of worms'.

If other clubs are scooping up your kids, then I suppose you need to work harder. The new mines are closer to Callington than Nairne.


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Re: HFL Country Division

Postby the big fella » Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:24 am

Believe Maccy have appointed Craig Lizzard as Senior Coach

Craig Lallard???
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Re: HFL Country Division

Postby ORDoubleBlues » Mon Oct 10, 2011 8:50 pm

the big fella wrote:Believe Maccy have appointed Craig Lizzard as Senior Coach

Craig Lallard???


Yes big fella. Lalls must have put pitty on his ass at some point in the past.
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Re: HFL Country Division

Postby Goldberg » Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:14 am

Tony Fielke to coach Nairne Bremer in 2012
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Re: HFL Country Division

Postby the big fella » Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:50 am

coach update


Wayne deacon to coach callington??
Thomas..meadows
Fielke...Nairne
??..Echunga
Lallard..Maccy
?? Kangas
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Re: HFL Country Division

Postby One Eyed » Tue Oct 11, 2011 10:00 am

Whats happened to Shayne Mitchell at callington ?
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