SAAFL Division 6 & D6R (2012)

[DO IT DO IT]

Can someone please bring Morrell a tissue. Still crying from the end of the season. Poor Morrell

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Correct woodublieve12.

It's not about what specific clubs want, need or desire, its about what is healthy for the overall competition - including the "lower echelons" - honestly, that is pretty typical of SHOC's attitude of late and even more reason why the SAAFL should enforce the appropriate rules. The SAAFL represent the embodiment of the entire league, not the wishes of a few "elite" select clubs.

Having said all that SHOC usually get their way regardless.

How would it be healthy for Ingle Farm to go down? I'm not saying I think SHOC should go up or stay down - don't have an opinion on it. But surely it's better for the competition as a whole if Ingle Farm were to stay in Div6, the lower you drop the closer you are to folding as a club (a broad statement but realistically not that far from the truth).

[woodublieve12]

Correct woodublieve12.

It's not about what specific clubs want, need or desire, its about what is healthy for the overall competition - including the "lower echelons" - honestly, that is pretty typical of SHOC's attitude of late and even more reason why the SAAFL should enforce the appropriate rules. The SAAFL represent the embodiment of the entire league, not the wishes of a few "elite" select clubs.

Having said all that SHOC usually get their way regardless.

How would it be healthy for Ingle Farm to go down? I'm not saying I think SHOC should go up or stay down - don't have an opinion on it. But surely it's better for the competition as a whole if Ingle Farm were to stay in Div6, the lower you drop the closer you are to folding as a club (a broad statement but realistically not that far from the truth).

how could you not have an opinion, its your club!!! How bout you hop of the fence...

[morell]

Correct woodublieve12.

It's not about what specific clubs want, need or desire, its about what is healthy for the overall competition - including the "lower echelons" - honestly, that is pretty typical of SHOC's attitude of late and even more reason why the SAAFL should enforce the appropriate rules. The SAAFL represent the embodiment of the entire league, not the wishes of a few "elite" select clubs.

Having said all that SHOC usually get their way regardless.

Examples please Morell.

Bit of a broad sweeping statement there.

Which sweeping statment are you referring to? Referring to a division that SHOC just played in and I assume appreciated the quality of the teams involved as the "lower echelons" is typical of the slightly elitist attitude i have seen from quite a few SHOC people, on here and on matchday.

It's well known around the traps that the larger, more prominent clubs from wealthy backgrounds get a pretty good run of things. Wether its decisons on fixtures, matchday shenanigans or whatever.

Examples would have been the GF fixture against ML (until the rest of the football community kicked up a fuss) or when we played on SHOCS home deck and they decided to inexplicetely shorten the length of the quarters - which of course the especially assigned by the SAAFL umpire agreed to.

Its akin to Collingwood in the AFL - where the numbers are is where the money is, which is eventually where the power ends up. Just a fact of life really. Good luck to em, hopefully one day MPFC will be big enough and ugly enough to counteract it.

[morell]

Correct woodublieve12.

It's not about what specific clubs want, need or desire, its about what is healthy for the overall competition - including the "lower echelons" - honestly, that is pretty typical of SHOC's attitude of late and even more reason why the SAAFL should enforce the appropriate rules. The SAAFL represent the embodiment of the entire league, not the wishes of a few "elite" select clubs.

Having said all that SHOC usually get their way regardless.

How would it be healthy for Ingle Farm to go down? I'm not saying I think SHOC should go up or stay down - don't have an opinion on it. But surely it's better for the competition as a whole if Ingle Farm were to stay in Div6, the lower you drop the closer you are to folding as a club (a broad statement but realistically not that far from the truth).

Quite often the reverse is true, the promise of easier games brings more players and more success and therefore more supporters and sponsors.

Some of the best years off the field we have had have been in div 7.

Probably not a good attitude to have football wise but it human nature....

[hotpies]

Correct woodublieve12.

It's not about what specific clubs want, need or desire, its about what is healthy for the overall competition - including the "lower echelons" - honestly, that is pretty typical of SHOC's attitude of late and even more reason why the SAAFL should enforce the appropriate rules. The SAAFL represent the embodiment of the entire league, not the wishes of a few "elite" select clubs.

Having said all that SHOC usually get their way regardless.

Examples please Morell.

Bit of a broad sweeping statement there.

Which sweeping statment are you referring to? Referring to a division that SHOC just played in and I assume appreciated the quality of the teams involved as the "lower echelons" is typical of the slightly elitist attitude i have seen from quite a few SHOC people, on here and on matchday.

It's well known around the traps that the larger, more prominent clubs from wealthy backgrounds get a pretty good run of things. Wether its decisons on fixtures, matchday shenanigans or whatever.

Examples would have been the GF fixture against ML (until the rest of the football community kicked up a fuss) or when we played on SHOCS home deck and they decided to inexplicetely shorten the length of the quarters - which of course the especially assigned by the SAAFL umpire agreed to.

Its akin to Collingwood in the AFL - where the numbers are is where the money is, which is eventually where the power ends up. Just a fact of life really. Good luck to em, hopefully one day MPFC will be big enough and ugly enough to counteract it.

What was wrong with it being scheduled at a ground SHOC had played some home games on and is 5 mins around the corner. Doesnt matter that Mawson Lakes won the first final, it all came down to what was fair for SHOC!

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Correct woodublieve12.

It's not about what specific clubs want, need or desire, its about what is healthy for the overall competition - including the "lower echelons" - honestly, that is pretty typical of SHOC's attitude of late and even more reason why the SAAFL should enforce the appropriate rules. The SAAFL represent the embodiment of the entire league, not the wishes of a few "elite" select clubs.

Having said all that SHOC usually get their way regardless.

How would it be healthy for Ingle Farm to go down? I'm not saying I think SHOC should go up or stay down - don't have an opinion on it. But surely it's better for the competition as a whole if Ingle Farm were to stay in Div6, the lower you drop the closer you are to folding as a club (a broad statement but realistically not that far from the truth).

how could you not have an opinion, its your club!!! How bout you hop of the fence...

It's a decision that doesn't effect me, so yeah I don't have an opinion. Not all of us live and breathe football...

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Correct woodublieve12.

It's not about what specific clubs want, need or desire, its about what is healthy for the overall competition - including the "lower echelons" - honestly, that is pretty typical of SHOC's attitude of late and even more reason why the SAAFL should enforce the appropriate rules. The SAAFL represent the embodiment of the entire league, not the wishes of a few "elite" select clubs.

Having said all that SHOC usually get their way regardless.

Examples please Morell.

Bit of a broad sweeping statement there.

Which sweeping statment are you referring to? Referring to a division that SHOC just played in and I assume appreciated the quality of the teams involved as the "lower echelons" is typical of the slightly elitist attitude i have seen from quite a few SHOC people, on here and on matchday.

It's well known around the traps that the larger, more prominent clubs from wealthy backgrounds get a pretty good run of things. Wether its decisons on fixtures, matchday shenanigans or whatever.

Examples would have been the GF fixture against ML (until the rest of the football community kicked up a fuss) or when we played on SHOCS home deck and they decided to inexplicetely shorten the length of the quarters - which of course the especially assigned by the SAAFL umpire agreed to.

Its akin to Collingwood in the AFL - where the numbers are is where the money is, which is eventually where the power ends up. Just a fact of life really. Good luck to em, hopefully one day MPFC will be big enough and ugly enough to counteract it.

1. I didn't mean the quality of the teams. Sure there was some good quality, but let's be realistic, it was the bottom of the SAAFL ladder. Making a decision that two teams agree upon would in no way make the competition as a whole a farce. Now if Ingle Farm wanted to go down that would be another matter.

2. The GF fixture had nothing to do with SHOC - we didn't kick up a fuss because it suited us (would you have done the same?). The SAAFL changed it straight away regardless... I've got no idea about the quarter length incident, but if the umpires agreed to it then what's the problem? You won the game anyway if I'm not mistaken.

3. As for the Collingwood statement, I really don't see how that comes into it. We don't get any favours from the league and don't expect any.

[DO IT DO IT]

You are embarresing yourself here Morrell with sour grapes. The GF was played at Payneham and SHOC's expected the ground to change from Panther Park so whats the big deal. SHOC's didn't care where it was going to be played. Its a GF you play anywhere.
It was only a few years ago that SHOC's only had three teams and where struggling to fill the third and that only changed from a lot of hard work from a lot of good people.
They don't pay players to attract them to our club they come cause its a fun environment.
So harden up Morrell, have a bowl of concrete and just play against whoever and wherever and worry about yourself and what you can control.
Your sounding like a one of those callers that call Bob Francis and whinge about everything.

[story of my life]

Re the shortening of the quarters incident, the umpires came up to our team manager and said we were playing flat 27 minute quarters. When challenged the umpire responded that they were allowed to as it was their home game and it was too hard for
SHOCS to get a time keeper. Looked everywhere in the rules and regulations but couldn't find this by law

I'm glad SHOCS are staying down tho, will be nice walking to an away game next year and we were the only team to beat them twice last season. (Don't mention the final)

[bar20]

You are embarresing yourself here Morrell with sour grapes. The GF was played at Payneham and SHOC's expected the ground to change from Panther Park so whats the big deal. SHOC's didn't care where it was going to be played. Its a GF you play anywhere.
It was only a few years ago that SHOC's only had three teams and where struggling to fill the third and that only changed from a lot of hard work from a lot of good people.
They don't pay players to attract them to our club they come cause its a fun environment.
So harden up Morrell, have a bowl of concrete and just play against whoever and wherever and worry about yourself and what you can control.
Your sounding like a one of those callers that call Bob Francis and whinge about everything.

Are you the clown that coaches SHOC's D grade? Cos you sure sound like it.

I'm sick of this debate over whether or not SHOC should go up or not. It's a NO BRAINER! They were the strongest club in Divy 7 in 2011. Their C grade won the Grand Final by 10 goals, their D grade lost one game for the year and also won the GF and their E grade made the GF too. So if anyone comes on here again and says 'Oh they're only a C grade side', and 'Oh it might be too tough for them in Div 6', I suggest you heed some of DO IT's advice and swallow some concrete. I'm tired of hearing clubs playing where they 'Feel' like playing, cos it's the easier option. Time for the SAAFL to show some balls, and throw them up regardless. End of rant

[The_Warrior]

1. I didn't mean the quality of the teams. Sure there was some good quality, but let's be realistic, it was the bottom of the SAAFL ladder. Making a decision that two teams agree upon would in no way make the competition as a whole a farce. Now if Ingle Farm wanted to go down that would be another matter.

2. The GF fixture had nothing to do with SHOC - we didn't kick up a fuss because it suited us (would you have done the same?). The SAAFL changed it straight away regardless... I've got no idea about the quarter length incident, but if the umpires agreed to it then what's the problem? You won the game anyway if I'm not mistaken.

3. As for the Collingwood statement, I really don't see how that comes into it. We don't get any favours from the league and don't expect any.

We blame our GF loss on the whole oval fiasco. Clearly a ploy from SHOC and the league to unsettle us

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1. I didn't mean the quality of the teams. Sure there was some good quality, but let's be realistic, it was the bottom of the SAAFL ladder. Making a decision that two teams agree upon would in no way make the competition as a whole a farce. Now if Ingle Farm wanted to go down that would be another matter.

2. The GF fixture had nothing to do with SHOC - we didn't kick up a fuss because it suited us (would you have done the same?). The SAAFL changed it straight away regardless... I've got no idea about the quarter length incident, but if the umpires agreed to it then what's the problem? You won the game anyway if I'm not mistaken.

3. As for the Collingwood statement, I really don't see how that comes into it. We don't get any favours from the league and don't expect any.

We blame our GF loss on the whole oval fiasco. Clearly a ploy from SHOC and the league to unsettle us

Haha just some brilliant behind the scenes work by all involved!

[woodublieve12]

You are embarresing yourself here Morrell with sour grapes. The GF was played at Payneham and SHOC's expected the ground to change from Panther Park so whats the big deal. SHOC's didn't care where it was going to be played. Its a GF you play anywhere.
It was only a few years ago that SHOC's only had three teams and where struggling to fill the third and that only changed from a lot of hard work from a lot of good people.
They don't pay players to attract them to our club they come cause its a fun environment.
So harden up Morrell, have a bowl of concrete and just play against whoever and wherever and worry about yourself and what you can control.
Your sounding like a one of those callers that call Bob Francis and whinge about everything.

Are you the clown that coaches SHOC's D grade? Cos you sure sound like it.

I'm sick of this debate over whether or not SHOC should go up or not. It's a NO BRAINER! They were the strongest club in Divy 7 in 2011. Their C grade won the Grand Final by 10 goals, their D grade lost one game for the year and also won the GF and their E grade made the GF too. So if anyone comes on here again and says 'Oh they're only a C grade side', and 'Oh it might be too tough for them in Div 6', I suggest you heed some of DO IT's advice and swallow some concrete. I'm tired of hearing clubs playing where they 'Feel' like playing, cos it's the easier option. Time for the SAAFL to show some balls, and throw them up regardless. End of rant

[morell]

1. I didn't mean the quality of the teams. Sure there was some good quality, but let's be realistic, it was the bottom of the SAAFL ladder. Making a decision that two teams agree upon would in no way make the competition as a whole a farce. Now if Ingle Farm wanted to go down that would be another matter.

So you're saying that because Div 7 is the last rung the decisions that get made don't flow down to the other divisions? Fair enough mate, that makes sense, appreciate the clarification. I thought you were trying to say it didn't matter because it was a lower division! Which would be a dick thing to say.

2. The GF fixture had nothing to do with SHOC - we didn't kick up a fuss because it suited us (would you have done the same?). The SAAFL changed it straight away regardless... I've got no idea about the quarter length incident, but if the umpires agreed to it then what's the problem? You won the game anyway if I'm not mistaken.

I understand it had nothing to do with SHOC per se, not blaming you guys, as I said earlier its just a fact of life that bigger, stronger, more prominent clubs get the rub of the green.

Don't get me wrong, if I was in charge at SHOC I would be doing the same thing if I could get away with it!

3. As for the Collingwood statement, I really don't see how that comes into it. We don't get any favours from the league and don't expect any.

Might not expect any, but I reckon you might ask for a few and quite often, you get them.

[morell]

I'm sick of this debate over whether or not SHOC should go up or not. It's a NO BRAINER! They were the strongest club in Divy 7 in 2011. Their C grade won the Grand Final by 10 goals, their D grade lost one game for the year and also won the GF and their E grade made the GF too. So if anyone comes on here again and says 'Oh they're only a C grade side', and 'Oh it might be too tough for them in Div 6', I suggest you heed some of DO IT's advice and swallow some concrete. I'm tired of hearing clubs playing where they 'Feel' like playing, cos it's the easier option. Time for the SAAFL to show some balls, and throw them up regardless. End of rant

Spot freaking on!

[zedman]

dont hate the player..hate the game..the rules are there..henley has used it before..just because SHOC are strong doesnt mean the rule goes out the window..it might suck but its legit..deal with it..they can decide if they want to go up or stay down..its their decision..noone elses..what we really want is for the procrastination from SHOC to be dealt with asap..make a call now..not based on what players you might or might not have available..

[White Unicorn]

dont hate the player..hate the game..the rules are there..henley has used it before..just because SHOC are strong doesnt mean the rule goes out the window..it might suck but its legit..deal with it..they can decide if they want to go up or stay down..its their decision..noone elses..what we really want is for the procrastination from SHOC to be dealt with asap..make a call now..not based on what players you might or might not have available..

the call was done months ago. Nominations closed to the saafl on the 31st of Oct, so upto the saafl to make the call. The preference was to remain in div 7 as per the rules, if saafl say no then so be it. As u say they are playing by the rules as stated, other clubs have done it in the past but we will play where the saafl tell us to play simple as that.

[Bigshow82]

dont hate the player..hate the game..the rules are there..henley has used it before..just because SHOC are strong doesnt mean the rule goes out the window..it might suck but its legit..deal with it..they can decide if they want to go up or stay down..its their decision..noone elses..what we really want is for the procrastination from SHOC to be dealt with asap..make a call now..not based on what players you might or might not have available..

the call was done months ago. Nominations closed to the saafl on the 31st of Oct, so upto the saafl to make the call. The preference was to remain in div 7 as per the rules, if saafl say no then so be it. As u say they are playing by the rules as stated, other clubs have done it in the past but we will play where the saafl tell us to play simple as that.

If it is done by the rules the only way SHOC can stay down is if Henley stay up. That is what the rules state.

[zedman]

dont hate the player..hate the game..the rules are there..henley has used it before..just because SHOC are strong doesnt mean the rule goes out the window..it might suck but its legit..deal with it..they can decide if they want to go up or stay down..its their decision..noone elses..what we really want is for the procrastination from SHOC to be dealt with asap..make a call now..not based on what players you might or might not have available..

the call was done months ago. Nominations closed to the saafl on the 31st of Oct, so upto the saafl to make the call. The preference was to remain in div 7 as per the rules, if saafl say no then so be it. As u say they are playing by the rules as stated, other clubs have done it in the past but we will play where the saafl tell us to play simple as that.

thanks WU..i believe thats the first concrete information we have that SHOC has officially applied to stay down so its now a SAAFL call and when do they make up their minds?

i know what your saying bigshow but i feel SHOC will stay down and angle vale will be offered div 6..henley and farmers relegated..unless henley wants to stay in div 6 and in that case none need to come up from div 7 beside ML..ingle farm have used up their "get out of jail" card..