Gillard should go!

[wycbloods]

This topic should be renamed All Politicians Should Go if they accept these most ridiculous and unjustified pay increases.

SERIOUSLY SOMETHING IS VERY VERY WRONG

I honestly don't know how people think their wage is unjustified.

No matter your political persuasion, pollies have huge responsibilities and work crazy hours, especially ministers. They are constantly criticised by the media, plenty of this is justified but they are always expected to be on the ball.

You wouldn't get me being a pollie for 180k a year. Although, that isn't the only reason

[wycbloods]

$450,000 for running a country.

$6,000,000 for running a once great airline into the ground
$48,000,000 for running a corrupt newspaper empire.

It's all relative.

Edited for accuracy.

[Psyber]

$450,000 for running a country.
$6,000,000 for running a once great airline into the ground
$48,000,000 for running a corrupt newspaper empire.
It's all relative.

Edited for accuracy.

My leftish leaning is towards some form of limit on anyone's salary or substantial income tax rises above say $300K p.a.
But I guess if you own a company in full, or in part through shares, as distinct from drawing a salary as an officer of a public company, whatever you make from it is fairly yours.

[redandblack]

I agree with your point about owning a company, Psyber and I also wholeheartedly agree with LL's edit of my post

[southee]

This topic should be renamed All Politicians Should Go if they accept these most ridiculous and unjustified pay increases.

SERIOUSLY SOMETHING IS VERY VERY WRONG

I honestly don't know how people think their wage is unjustified.

No matter your political persuasion, pollies have huge responsibilities and work crazy hours, especially ministers. They are constantly criticised by the media, plenty of this is justified but they are always expected to be on the ball.

You wouldn't get me being a pollie for 180k a year. Although, that isn't the only reason

What a load of absolute rubbish !!!


Try being a police officer , ambo, teacher or nurse and see who gets abused more and scrutinized by the media !!

Bloody hell another world exists out there mate !!!

[Psyber]

As I once said (stirringly) to Alexander Downer: "We made two mistakes in 1901; Federation, and agreeing to pay our politicians."

[gossipgirl]

plus all the other perks that politicians get as well but well done (if true) to our state politicians voting not to accept the automatic payrise they would have received from this ridiculous payrise.

[Psyber]

plus all the other perks that politicians get as well but well done (if true) to our state politicians voting not to accept the automatic payrise they would have received from this ridiculous payrise.

Yes, they have voted to not accept it, I believe, but that is not sheer nobility.
They would have gotten an automatic rise because of their having linked their raises to the Federal deal, and retained the state based perks.
That may have upset the public a bit..

They did have the option to vote to eliminate the perks and then take the rise.
But I guess the perks may have some advantage - they are, at least, less visible to the voters.

[gossipgirl]

There must be a better system. perhaps pay increases for them should be linked to pensioners increases e.g. if they get a $2 increase in pension each week then the polies can get an extra $2 a week.

[tipper]

This topic should be renamed All Politicians Should Go if they accept these most ridiculous and unjustified pay increases.

SERIOUSLY SOMETHING IS VERY VERY WRONG

I honestly don't know how people think their wage is unjustified.

No matter your political persuasion, pollies have huge responsibilities and work crazy hours, especially ministers. They are constantly criticised by the media, plenty of this is justified but they are always expected to be on the ball.

You wouldn't get me being a pollie for 180k a year. Although, that isn't the only reason

while all of the above is true, my issue is with the % increase, in one year that they are getting. Most people have to scrape and fight to get CPI increase each year, if that, and yet in one year the polititians are getting a massive percentage increase (i am not sure but i thought i heard it was around 30%, please correct this if i am in error). that is just blatantly ripping off the taxpayer, how anyone can justify such a massive percentage increase in one year is beyond me, regardless if it is replacing other perks or not.

[southee]

.... And she has the nerve to have a go a Alan Joyce (qantas CEO ) over his increase !!

Bunch of Hippocrates !!!

[wycbloods]

.... And she has the nerve to have a go a Alan Joyce (qantas CEO ) over his increase !!

Bunch of Hippocrates !!!

Do people realise it wasn't even them that awared the pay rise?

[Booney]

.... And she has the nerve to have a go a Alan Joyce (qantas CEO ) over his increase !!

Bunch of Hippocrates !!!

Do people realise it wasn't even them that awared the pay rise?

An independant body, yes?

Also, not all of the money is in pure a pay rise sense. Much of it is the amalgamation or streamlining of things like printing allowances, travel allowances etc.

Pay increase - allowance decrease.

FWIW, they are way under paid IMO and I wouldn't do it for twice what they earn.

[redandblack]

Southee, when did the PM (I presume that's who you're referring to as 'she') have a go at Alan Joyce for his pay incresae?

[Dutchy]

$450,000 for running a country.

$6,000,000 for running an airline.

$48,000,000 for running a corrupt newspaper empire.

It's all relative.

terrible analogy

[Psyber]

An independant body, yes?
Also, not all of the money is in pure a pay rise sense. Much of it is the amalgamation or streamlining of things like printing allowances, travel allowances etc.
Pay increase - allowance decrease.
FWIW, they are way under paid IMO and I wouldn't do it for twice what they earn.

I'd argue it may be a semi-independent body.
It used to be that judges, whose pay rises and politicians rises were linked, who decided pollies pay - after they stopped voting on it themselves.
That's one degree of separation...

I'm not sure of the current link, but there is always being on the list of people who get appointed to these enquiries..

I agree it is an amalgamation, but I think it was always too much - pre 1901 we didn't pay them at all.
I would do it for $100K if they'd cut out the rubbish and all work towards achieving a good compromise.
But I agree the constant opposition for the sake of opposing is a pain.

[redandblack]

$450,000 for running a country.

$6,000,000 for running an airline.

$48,000,000 for running a corrupt newspaper empire.

It's all relative.

terrible analogy

Why?

[GWW]

I don't have a problem with the PM's pay or for that matter her payrise.

The general issue I have is with the overall increase the board, as someone also mentioned, and also the amount paid to backbenchers. They are the people who I don't see as being worthy of nearly $200k a year. They spend half their time playing political games. If they earn that much, I'd like to see those people out in community who actually provide something valuable eg police officers, teachers, ambulance officers, paid more handsomely.

[smac]

$450,000 for running a country.

$6,000,000 for running an airline.

$48,000,000 for running a corrupt newspaper empire.

It's all relative.

terrible analogy

Why?

Dutchy may have his own reasons, but my take is this.

Alan Joyce and Rupert Murdoch had salaries granted by their respective Boards - their employers, if you like. Their companies can afford such payments.

Our politicians have just slashed spending to many areas that concern their employers - the people. Their company (the people) cannot afford such payments (or we wouldn't have needed to cut spending, would we?).

You can't have an issue with massive increases to some and not others - $90k is still massive, even if it pails in significance to the Joyce payrise. It's 1.5 times average wage - as an increase!

[Sojourner]

Especially Smac when there are so many people working in companies around Adelaide and the rest of the nation that have not had a pay rise at all in the last two years, or something ridiculous like a .5% increase. If the people have to suffer then the pollies should take their share of it as well IMO, link politicians wages to the community, if we get .5, then so do they!