Tramline

[Punk Rooster]

Its a 5 minute walk you lazy people. Even if its raining, its 80% under cover

Yes, but if you're going to offer a tram service it should at least go to where you want to go. It doesn't actually get to the CBD or shopping precinct, which is puzzling for out of towners.

& also those living here

[Dissident]

Its a 5 minute walk you lazy people. Even if its raining, its 80% under cover

Yes, but if you're going to offer a tram service it should at least go to where you want to go. It doesn't actually get to the CBD or shopping precinct, which is puzzling for out of towners.

& also those living here

Well, it goes to the centre of the city... dead centre at that.
No, not all the way to Rundle Mall but really, it's a short walk!



I'm not against a tram extension form the "tram aspect" - I'm against it if it **** up the people who still want to drive! I hope it doesn't affect the North Terrace and King William sections too much

[Punk Rooster]

I'm not against a tram extension form the "tram aspect" - I'm against it if it **** up the people who still want to drive! I hope it doesn't affect the North Terrace and King William sections too much

Melbourne seems to cope with 3 times the population.

[Dissident]

I'm not against a tram extension form the "tram aspect" - I'm against it if it **** up the people who still want to drive! I hope it doesn't affect the North Terrace and King William sections too much

Melbourne seems to cope with 3 times the population.

I'd much rather drive around Adelaide than Melbourne!

[McAlmanac]

Its a 5 minute walk you lazy people. Even if its raining, its 80% under cover

Yes, but if you're going to offer a tram service it should at least go to where you want to go. It doesn't actually get to the CBD or shopping precinct, which is puzzling for out of towners.

& also those living here

Well, it goes to the centre of the city... dead centre at that.
No, not all the way to Rundle Mall but really, it's a short walk!



I'm not against a tram extension form the "tram aspect" - I'm against it if it **** up the people who still want to drive! I hope it doesn't affect the North Terrace and King William sections too much

Sorry, but by any standard of public transport it finshes at a black hole. People, especially the elderly (who are the very people who are PT users) shouldn't have to walk that far. There can't be any hotter and more unsheltered place to alight from PT than Victoria Square, remembering you have to stand at several pedestrian crossings to get to the main drag of King William Street.

[Magpiespower]

Rann must have consulted NSW transport guru Michael Costa on this debacle...

[PhilG]

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[Dissident]

It would appear that you are too reliant on your own cars. Bad for the environment, guys. The tram extension will take the 99B bus off King William Street (that will do a small part to help) and if you don't like sharing the road with a tram - how about using the tram and leaving your car at home? It's cheaper (especially given the price of petrol) and better for the environment.

Well if I lived along the tram line I would....

As it is, I catch a bus along the O-Bahn each morning anyway. But when I pick up computers and associated equipment from the city which I do often I have no choice but to drive. It's easy to say "dont drive, catch a bus/train/tram!" but it's not always that simple.

[Dissident]

Its a 5 minute walk you lazy people. Even if its raining, its 80% under cover

Yes, but if you're going to offer a tram service it should at least go to where you want to go. It doesn't actually get to the CBD or shopping precinct, which is puzzling for out of towners.

& also those living here

Well, it goes to the centre of the city... dead centre at that.
No, not all the way to Rundle Mall but really, it's a short walk!



I'm not against a tram extension form the "tram aspect" - I'm against it if it **** up the people who still want to drive! I hope it doesn't affect the North Terrace and King William sections too much

Sorry, but by any standard of public transport it finshes at a black hole. People, especially the elderly (who are the very people who are PT users) shouldn't have to walk that far. There can't be any hotter and more unsheltered place to alight from PT than Victoria Square, remembering you have to stand at several pedestrian crossings to get to the main drag of King William Street.

You have a good point Mac.
But, trams aren't the only way to get in to the city for them!

[Magpiespower]

MP, back off NSW...They treat public transport with more respect than certainly Adelaide does!

Living in Victoria, you don't have the 'pleasure' of catching CityRail trains.

They've had to slow the timetables to ensure the trains arrive on time.

Even then, one in ten trains is more than five minutes late.

Some still don't show without warning.

But anyway, if you say so, Phil...

[mick]

In inner Melbourne the trams are an assett. In Melbourne there are two classes of public transport. Trams in the inner wealthier suburbs, and trains you wouldn't use without your own armed guard from the outer areas. Buses are buses and about the same everywhere. When the premier Bracks first stood for the Labor party he promised to extend the tram service but it proved to be a non-core promise, and we got Tollways for cars instead.

I'm not sure there's a lot of affluence along the number 55 route to West Maribyrnong.

Buses aren't all the same - sit on an old rattler that Ventura runs on the 737 Mitcham-Croydon route.

Trams have indeed been extended on the the 75 to Vermont South (which I believe will eventually get to Knox City), as well as the 109 route to Box Hill (although only small, a handy one).

Jeff Kennett first introduced tollways.

He also got rid of conductors on Trams. And you'd never believe it vandalism and incidents have gone up - particularly at night. Hard to believe. And for some reason fare revenue seems to have dropped.

Whenever I'm in Melbourne it seems that it's only the out of towners that ever have a ticket I'm sure the amount of fare revenue that is lost would probably go a long way towards paying conductors. It's interesting a couple of years ago I caught the train to Noarlunga, I had a ticket. A heap of inspectors got on, I reckon I was almost the only person in that carriage to have a ticket. I guess that's an effect of economic rationalism

[RustyCage]

Its a 5 minute walk you lazy people. Even if its raining, its 80% under cover

Yes, but if you're going to offer a tram service it should at least go to where you want to go. It doesn't actually get to the CBD or shopping precinct, which is puzzling for out of towners.

& also those living here

Well, it goes to the centre of the city... dead centre at that.
No, not all the way to Rundle Mall but really, it's a short walk!



I'm not against a tram extension form the "tram aspect" - I'm against it if it **** up the people who still want to drive! I hope it doesn't affect the North Terrace and King William sections too much

Sorry, but by any standard of public transport it finshes at a black hole. People, especially the elderly (who are the very people who are PT users) shouldn't have to walk that far. There can't be any hotter and more unsheltered place to alight from PT than Victoria Square, remembering you have to stand at several pedestrian crossings to get to the main drag of King William Street.

You have a good point Mac.
But, trams aren't the only way to get in to the city for them!

Exactly Disso, the new tram will not allow anything to happen that doesn't already happen. In fact, less will be possible, as the free bus at least goes around the city, the new tramline just cuts through the middle.

[Sojourner]

I dont support the idea of electrifying the train network I understand the reasons for doing so, yet we would get alot better and cheaper outcome if we switched our existing diesel trains to run on 100% Bio-Diesel, it is clean and consider that there is always still pollution in creating electricity at the current stage, Bio-Diesel would off set that and be a better outcome for industry in S.A.

Where we go wrong with the Buses in S.A is that we dont build anything like enough infrastructure to run the bus network properly. We have a very small number of intersections that have a light for the Bus to bypass the intersection and a very token approach to having bus lanes. Adelaide needs express bus lanes out of the city in each direction and bus bypass lanes at major intersections, otherwise you have the current situation were taking a bus takes over double the time of a car trip. The O'Bahn on the other hand is the reverse because the proper infrastructure has been put in place to make it work. It would be good to see the O'Bahn extended to the Elizabeth shopping centre from Tea Tree Plaza. With all the new housing going up at Smithfield, the area is going to need more than trains to service a burgeoning population.

[PhilG]

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[Ian]

I dont support the idea of electrifying the train network I understand the reasons for doing so, yet we would get alot better and cheaper outcome if we switched our existing diesel trains to run on 100% Bio-Diesel, it is clean and consider that there is always still pollution in creating electricity at the current stage, Bio-Diesel would off set that and be a better outcome for industry in S.A.

Some but not all pollutants would be reduced, NOx would rise (due to increased combustion temperatures), and that's one of the more harmfull pollutants.