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Re: New Draft divisions for next year

Postby vivian14 » Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:51 pm

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The Ash Man wrote:I find it strange that Athelstone go from being Div 7 and drop to C2

And I know they dropped their D Grade



Athelstone should be aligned with their A and B grade who are in division 3 so their C grade should be in C3. Why they have been placed in higher grades is strange as they have not played in a C Grand Final since 1996, they have also lost a lot of players with the clubs decision to not have a D grade. Last time they played C3 they finished 3rd and moved up to Div 7 which was strange and all but removed any hope of playing in a GF when your A grade was struggling to stay in Div2 and their C grade is in Div7.

why would the league put them in a higher grade is beyond me and think its only fair to have them playing against the same clubs in Div 3 and their C grade. :evil:


You're a bit out of the loop luv

The division of C grades for the best part no longer relate to that clubs A grade division, they're trialling a promotion/relegation system, hence the change.

Athelstone can no longer stay in div 7 due to having only 3 sides, therefore they slip in as a club.

So why wouldnt they start from scratch in C3 though
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Re: New Draft divisions for next year

Postby Footy Chick » Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:07 pm

You're missing the point :lol:

People need to get the idea out of their heads that because their A grade is in div 2, that their C grade must be in C2 and if you were in C3 last year and have been put up, that you're going to get flogged, that just isn't the case!
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Re: New Draft divisions for next year

Postby lutz » Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:08 pm

vivian14 wrote:
Footy Chick wrote:
vivian14 wrote:
The Ash Man wrote:I find it strange that Athelstone go from being Div 7 and drop to C2

And I know they dropped their D Grade



Athelstone should be aligned with their A and B grade who are in division 3 so their C grade should be in C3. Why they have been placed in higher grades is strange as they have not played in a C Grand Final since 1996, they have also lost a lot of players with the clubs decision to not have a D grade. Last time they played C3 they finished 3rd and moved up to Div 7 which was strange and all but removed any hope of playing in a GF when your A grade was struggling to stay in Div2 and their C grade is in Div7.

why would the league put them in a higher grade is beyond me and think its only fair to have them playing against the same clubs in Div 3 and their C grade. :evil:


You're a bit out of the loop luv

The division of C grades for the best part no longer relate to that clubs A grade division, they're trialling a promotion/relegation system, hence the change.

Athelstone can no longer stay in div 7 due to having only 3 sides, therefore they slip in as a club.

So why wouldnt they start from scratch in C3 though


They should have more depth than any other C grade side... Athelstone C/D grade have been strong performers in the past few years. A lot of people have been surprised that they have chosen to do away with the D grade. I think they'll do quite well in C1; as they are coming from a better standard (D7) to start with...
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Re: New Draft divisions for next year

Postby S Demon » Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:09 pm

Footy Chick wrote:You're missing the point :lol:

People need to get the idea out of their heads that because their A grade is in div 2, that their C grade must be in C2 and if you were in C3 last year and have been put up, that you're going to get flogged, that just isn't the case!


I'm not sure you can say that with any certainty. These divisions are based on PAST results, not future ones...
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Re: New Draft divisions for next year

Postby S Demon » Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:10 pm

lutz wrote:They should have more depth than any other C grade side... Athelstone C/D grade have been strong performers in the past few years. A lot of people have been surprised that they have chosen to do away with the D grade. I think they'll do quite well in C1; as they are coming from a better standard (D7) to start with...


They'll do even better in C2... ;)
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Re: New Draft divisions for next year

Postby Footy Chick » Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:11 pm

Probably not, but it's just like any other grade, just because Team X got relegated, doesn't make them favourites for a flag in most instances, does it?
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Re: New Draft divisions for next year

Postby woodublieve12 » Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:14 pm

I'm wit you mate. The proposed c grade division, make no sense. You gain absolutely nothing with a promotion system. No c grade side will be the same from year to year! Even the newest proposed grades, is a head scratcher too, why the hell woul lockleys be in c3 when last year they got smashed. Thats only one example!
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Re: New Draft divisions for next year

Postby Footy Chick » Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:16 pm

woodublieve12 wrote:I'm wit you mate. The proposed c grade division, make no sense. You gain absolutely nothing with a promotion system. No c grade side will be the same from year to year! Even the newest proposed grades, is a head scratcher too, why the hell woul lockleys be in c3 when last year they got smashed. Thats only one example!


Neither will any A grade side, so what's your point? That we stop promotion in all grades and make Plympton stay in div 5 this year?
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Re: New Draft divisions for next year

Postby S Demon » Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:46 pm

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woodublieve12 wrote:I'm wit you mate. The proposed c grade division, make no sense. You gain absolutely nothing with a promotion system. No c grade side will be the same from year to year! Even the newest proposed grades, is a head scratcher too, why the hell woul lockleys be in c3 when last year they got smashed. Thats only one example!


Neither will any A grade side, so what's your point? That we stop promotion in all grades and make Plympton stay in div 5 this year?


The point is that if no side is going to be the same from year to year, how will this system stop Brahma, woops, I mean any team, getting flogged every week? (which is the sole purpose of introducing it if I understand correctly)

WB12 - another example is why would Plympton be in C3 and not C2 with us?

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Re: New Draft divisions for next year

Postby Hellboy » Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:54 pm

woodublieve12 wrote:I'm wit you mate. The proposed c grade division, make no sense. You gain absolutely nothing with a promotion system. No c grade side will be the same from year to year! Even the newest proposed grades, is a head scratcher too, why the hell woul lockleys be in c3 when last year they got smashed. Thats only one example!


I'm not sure I follow your argument w12.
The current system is that your C Grade follows the fortunes of your A Grade and "No c grade side will be the same from year to year" applies to that system as well
But, lets say you have a strong A Grade but a carp C Grade. Under the current system, your C Grade might not win a match in 3 years but could go from C4 to C1 following a strong A Grade.
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Re: New Draft divisions for next year

Postby The Informer » Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:59 pm

I thought Mawson Lakes may off been in C4 since last season was there first ever with a C grade. There is A few clubs in C4 as well that there A and B grade will come up against and would off made it a lot easier to organize triple headers.
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Re: New Draft divisions for next year

Postby SATCHEL » Tue Feb 07, 2012 3:37 pm

S Demon wrote:
Footy Chick wrote:
woodublieve12 wrote:I'm wit you mate. The proposed c grade division, make no sense. You gain absolutely nothing with a promotion system. No c grade side will be the same from year to year! Even the newest proposed grades, is a head scratcher too, why the hell woul lockleys be in c3 when last year they got smashed. Thats only one example!


Neither will any A grade side, so what's your point? That we stop promotion in all grades and make Plympton stay in div 5 this year?


The point is that if no side is going to be the same from year to year, how will this system stop Brahma, woops, I mean any team, getting flogged every week? (which is the sole purpose of introducing it if I understand correctly)

WB12 - another example is why would Plympton be in C3 and not C2 with us?

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To look at our club over the past three years. 2009 - 9th, 2010 - 8th and 2011 - 4th. So should taht mean we are in C2? From reports its looking like they are basing it on last years results and possibly (correct me if im wrong) 100 point win/losses. We all have our concerns. Again, we cant do or say anything untill the meeting on the 20th.
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Re: New Draft divisions for next year

Postby SATCHEL » Tue Feb 07, 2012 3:44 pm

Didnt mean it quite like that. Ofcourse we can say something it just means it will only fall on ears when the meeting is on. Tell your delegates what you would prefer (as telling the league what you want and what you wont tolerat will surely fall on deaf ears). Surely, there is a consistent medium we can all agree on. At first it will always cause negative feelings and impact on our clubs and how the league will be represented but over time it should sort itself out. As it was pointed out on her after one of my other posts. Some of us still remember the way it was before the C grades followed their A grade teams each year. I cant, but can anyone remember what the issues were when it changed before? Was there issues and concerns by clubs when they learnt they had follow suit with the A grade sides instead of what the new system proposes now?
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Re: New Draft divisions for next year

Postby Hellboy » Tue Feb 07, 2012 3:49 pm

I'm lost again Satchel

Under the current rules, you'd be in C2 wouldn't you?
So, what's the difference?
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Re: New Draft divisions for next year

Postby SATCHEL » Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:06 pm

Hellboy wrote:I'm lost again Satchel

Under the current rules, you'd be in C2 wouldn't you?
So, what's the difference?

I was proving that we should be in C2. Should have worded it differently. If you go back further you would see that i am in agreeance with our position. I have looked at a few clubs based on last year as the guide then the past three. Most should be where they are but i will agree that others should be looked into again.
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Re: New Draft divisions for next year

Postby Hellboy » Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:26 pm

Sorry - misread it then
The other problem with the C Grade comp this year is so many clubs with Cs & Ds are wanting to go with the D8/8R concept so they can pool their resources.
Take out those 18 teams and the entire C Grade concept of matching their A Grade jsut wont work
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Re: New Draft divisions for next year

Postby dee man » Tue Feb 07, 2012 7:38 pm

its on record what i think but honestly its not that hard is it
you either want to play footy or you dont
who really cares who you are against or how good are they
its c grade,footy for fun
i dont believe we are ready at this stage for c1 even tho we are a one team club
other clubs are better eqipped than us and lets face facts,we did nt even make the top 6 in c2 last year but we are just rapt to have a team and an opposition to play against would thought that was the most critical part
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Re: New Draft divisions for next year

Postby Masha » Tue Feb 07, 2012 8:34 pm

S Demon wrote:
Footy Chick wrote:
woodublieve12 wrote:I'm wit you mate. The proposed c grade division, make no sense. You gain absolutely nothing with a promotion system. No c grade side will be the same from year to year! Even the newest proposed grades, is a head scratcher too, why the hell woul lockleys be in c3 when last year they got smashed. Thats only one example!


Neither will any A grade side, so what's your point? That we stop promotion in all grades and make Plympton stay in div 5 this year?


The point is that if no side is going to be the same from year to year, how will this system stop Brahma, woops, I mean any team, getting flogged every week? (which is the sole purpose of introducing it if I understand correctly)


Like rubbing it in to Brahma every chance you get? A team which is out there having fun, fill a side and play with mates, but with hero's like yourself having pot shots any chance you can get how is that supposed to make them feel? I guess you guys are the flat track bullies they are trying to even the comp out from. Piss off to Div 8 and stop taking pot shots at our C grade.

Anyways, going by your logic, who says we are going to be the same next year?? To be honest, I am happy for whatever approach is taken by the league. We will still get out there, maybe get belted as some love seeing, even have people through barbs at us, but in the end just have some fun and enjoy our footy.
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Re: New Draft divisions for next year

Postby S Demon » Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:41 pm

Masha wrote:Like rubbing it in to Brahma every chance you get? A team which is out there having fun, fill a side and play with mates, but with hero's like yourself having pot shots any chance you can get how is that supposed to make them feel? I guess you guys are the flat track bullies they are trying to even the comp out from. Piss off to Div 8 and stop taking pot shots at our C grade.

Anyways, going by your logic, who says we are going to be the same next year?? To be honest, I am happy for whatever approach is taken by the league. We will still get out there, maybe get belted as some love seeing, even have people through barbs at us, but in the end just have some fun and enjoy our footy.


More so questioning why the C grade comp needed to be changed in the first place rather than rubbing anything into you guys. What happens if you get flogged every week this year? Is the league going to come up with another proposal to make it easier for the struggling clubs? I know this sort of "make sure everyone gets a go" and "let the kids who suck play too, even though they're not good enough" theme has crept into primary schools and junior footy. But we're playing a mans game now. Sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings. We can't have that

You can call us "flat track bullies" all you like. We can only play against what the opposition puts on the park and if our "mates playing together" are 30 goals better than your "mates playing together" then boo f**ken hoo! I'm not going to feel sorry for them. Been on the other end of plenty of floggings myself. Did it hurt my feelings if someone had a crack at me? No. It just made me want to get better and improve.

And if you guys improve that's excellent. Its even better for you if the other clubs in C4 don't. Then this whole exercise would have been worthwhile for your football club
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Re: New Draft divisions for next year

Postby Hellboy » Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:56 pm

dee man wrote:its on record what i think but honestly its not that hard is it
you either want to play footy or you dont
who really cares who you are against or how good are they
its c grade,footy for fun
i dont believe we are ready at this stage for c1 even tho we are a one team club
other clubs are better eqipped than us and lets face facts,we did nt even make the top 6 in c2 last year but we are just rapt to have a team and an opposition to play against would thought that was the most critical part
just love the game guys,stop the sooking and lets play


Good point Deeman

Plus a lot of the good C Grade teams will now go up to D7 and 8.

Flinders Park and PACFC are both going up
They have been the pace setters in the past couple of years
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