WEIGHT LOSS + the challenge

[whufc]

Also, consistently consuming a small meal close to sleep is likely to increase your metabolism.

Surely not!?

Small meal with no carbs is not a bad idea at all.

[whufc]

http://www.thegreatfitnessexperiment.com/2011/07/harvard-says-calories-incalories-out-model-is-flawed-so-what-do-we-use-instead.html

have a look at this, offers a different perspective.

as the article says calories in calories out is great but it doesnt take into account the third factor which almost the most imprortant Metabolism.

1. All calories are not created equal. Calories from different types of food are digested, absorbed, stored, and burned very differently in the body. A calorie of fat eaten is very likely to end up in your fat cells. A calorie of protein is very unlikely to add to your fat storage at all (in fact, is likely to help you be leaner). A calorie of carbohydrate may be very likely or very unlikely to be stored as fat depending on what is eaten with it and the chronological proximity to exercise.

I totaly agree with most of the article (some of things need to be clarified which i'm sure is in the original article) and I stated in previous post diet 100%. There is good foods and bad foods and the biggest killers is "98% fat free" usually you will find these still have a heap of sugar in them. But at the end of the day eating more calories from good foods then you burn are you going to lose weight? Like you said if you you eat 1 whopper a day and that's it you are going to stuff your metabolism, but also if you eat 1000 calories of good food and your maint level is 2000 you will also do this. for weight loss you should be looking at 300-500 calorie deficit of your maint calorie intake. Yes there are many factors which will make your daily calorie intake differ from day to day and that's where you have to be true with yourself. There are many calculators on the net that will determine your calorie intake for the day, the best way is to do 3-4 and go off the average you will find most will be the same. Metabolism still plays a factor and that's where you have to play around with the calories to find whats right for you. Unless you can provide research where if you eat more calories then your daily maint calories you will lose then I think it's safe to say it's calories in vs calories out.

Your not getting it are you.

http://home.trainingpeaks.com/articles/ ... lorie.aspx

heres a bit from it

Weight management is a simple game of math, these folks argue. To maintain your current weight, you need to consume the same number of calories your body burns each day. To lose a pound, you need to create a caloric deficit of approximately 3,500 calories. Whether you create that deficit by eating less fat, less carbohydrate, less protein or a little less of everything is immaterial.

It sounds sensible, but it’s actually not true. A calorie is not a calorie, in more than one sense. Carbohydrate, fat and protein calories are indeed equal by definition in terms of their energy content, but the body processes each in a distinct way, and these differences have real implications for weight management. In addition, food calories of all types may have very different effects on the body depending on when they are eaten and what they are eaten with. Following are five specific reasons why all calories are not equal.



It sounds sensible, but it’s actually not true. A calorie is not a calorie, in more than one sense. Carbohydrate, fat and protein calories are indeed equal by definition in terms of their energy content, but the body processes each in a distinct way, and these differences have real implications for weight management. In addition, food calories of all types may have very different effects on the body depending on when they are eaten and what they are eaten with. Following are five specific reasons why all calories are not equal.



Metabolism is almost more crucial than the amount of the cals your putting into your body. You can have all the calculators you wont but it doesnt go close to working out the good cals and th bad cals. Your only working on Ave not exact numbers over a whole week you could be out loads.

To sit there and say all you have to do is eat less cals than you put out is totally incorrect. There are so many other factors.
There wouldnt be to many people losing weight that dont eat breakfast even if they fall under their calories.

[Q.]

Also, consistently consuming a small meal close to sleep is likely to increase your metabolism.

Surely not!?

Small meal with no carbs is not a bad idea at all.

What about a piece of fruit? Carbs there.

Nothing wrong with eating a small serving of carbs at night. A small amount of pasta with a meaty sauce, some rice with chicken, beef with cous cous.

Stuff to really avoid would be refined sugar and trans-fats.

[whufc]

Also, consistently consuming a small meal close to sleep is likely to increase your metabolism.

Surely not!?

Small meal with no carbs is not a bad idea at all.

What about a piece of fruit? Carbs there.

Nothing wrong with eating a small serving of carbs at night. A small amount of pasta with a meaty sauce, some rice with chicken, beef with cous cous.

Stuff to really avoid would be refined sugar and trans-fats.

Yeah good points.

What are peoples thoughts on Pastas for breakfast?

I love it!!!!

[heater31]

[quote="Q."]
Also, consistently consuming a small meal close to sleep is likely to increase your metabolism.

Surely not!?

Small meal with no carbs is not a bad idea at all.

What about a piece of fruit? Carbs there.

Nothing wrong with eating a small serving of carbs at night. A small amount of pasta with a meaty sauce, some rice with chicken, beef with cous cous.

Stuff to really avoid would be refined sugar and trans-fats.

Yeah good points.

What are peoples thoughts on Pastas for breakfast?

I love it!!!![/quote]


I used to be fed that for breakfast on weekends when playing sports as I never had the time to eat properly during the day.

[kickinit]

what i'm saying is that at the base of every diet you have to have a calorie deficit to be able to lose, there's no way you can't say there isn't. If you are eating the healthiest meals you can it doesn't matter if your eating more then your daily maint amount. You can give me all links to saying calories aren't calories but can you give me a link where it says if you eat these foods you can eat over your maint level and lose weight? Yes a high protein low carb diet is the best way to go for weight, yes carbs and fats act differently to your body, but at the end of the day you have to have a calorie deficit of 300-500 for optimal weight lose, unless you have evidence to say you don't need a calorie deficit for weight loss you can say other wise.

mate i've been around the game for a while helping many people lose a lot of weight, my mate I trained last year lost 50kgs so I think I know what i'm doing. Me myself I will be entering my first bodybuilding show this september. I've never had some plateau on me and i've never had someone not reach the ideal weight.

[am Bays]

http://www.thegreatfitnessexperiment.com/2011/07/harvard-says-calories-incalories-out-model-is-flawed-so-what-do-we-use-instead.html

have a look at this, offers a different perspective.

as the article says calories in calories out is great but it doesnt take into account the third factor which almost the most imprortant Metabolism.

1. All calories are not created equal. Calories from different types of food are digested, absorbed, stored, and burned very differently in the body. A calorie of fat eaten is very likely to end up in your fat cells. A calorie of protein is very unlikely to add to your fat storage at all (in fact, is likely to help you be leaner). A calorie of carbohydrate may be very likely or very unlikely to be stored as fat depending on what is eaten with it and the chronological proximity to exercise.

You do realise that three of the top five "weight loss foods" in that table are carbs?? So that table basicallys says eat carbs to lose weight.

Kickinit is right if you only eat a whopper a day ~700 kcal but your minimum daily energy required to maintain life is 1400 kcal you are going to lose mass as your body starts beta-oxidation to break down the fat stores in your body to produce energy to sustain life.
Doesn't matter if you eat that whopper at 3 am or 3 pm you are going to lose mass.

[kickinit]

it's very misleading as it gives you food groups not single food items. It's wrong when you are talking about diets and fitness to say fruit is better then vegetables or the funniest one is yogurt is the best. But the other thing is, is that article is second hand and doesn't give refrenece to the original, is it just me or alarm bells ringing?

[Psyber]

I'm sticking with the KISS principle - eat less of a balanced diet and be more active, rather than get hung up on a lot of unproven waffle about times and mixing foods.
I tend to favour low fat, higher protein, and moderate carbs - mainly fruit and nuts - by preference.
Maintaining the motivation to be more active is the issue...

However, I am using the exercise bike more since I bought the real one, as the real one points out my cardio-respiratory fitness deficits to me.

[am Bays]

it's very misleading as it gives you food groups not single food items. It's wrong when you are talking about diets and fitness to say fruit is better then vegetables or the funniest one is yogurt is the best. But the other thing is, is that article is second hand and doesn't give refrenece to the original, is it just me or alarm bells ringing?

Oh yes, it was a nice light newsy "article" I just found it funny how it was used to justify one point (carbs not being an effective means to promote a loss of body mass) when in fact it can be interpreted to demonstrate how effective carbs are in lowering body mass.

[Psyber]

What is true is that you need some carbs to help metabolise fat, as otherwise you build up ketones from fat breakdown.
Otherwise, I'm not convinced it matters what you eat, or with what, so long as you burn more calories than you take in.

Historians report that in medieval times Ale was an important source of needed calories for hard working peasants.
Eating enough food to keep up with the calories you were burning was difficult.
These days we have the opposite problem - not enough work to use up the Ale!

[Q.]

What is true is that you need some carbs to help metabolise fat, as otherwise you build up ketones from fat breakdown.

Not necessarily true either. For instance, the ketogenic diet. Fat is needed to help metabolise fat (and provide an energy source).

[Psyber]

What is true is that you need some carbs to help metabolise fat, as otherwise you build up ketones from fat breakdown.

Not necessarily true either. For instance, the ketogenic diet. Fat is needed to help metabolise fat (and provide an energy source).

Yes, but you've got to question the wisdom of allowing yourself to get ketotic, as it tends to impair brain function and judgement and increase the risk of accidents of one form or another.
Quite apart from the bad breath issue...

[kickinit]

Yes, but you've got to question the wisdom of allowing yourself to get ketotic, as it tends to impair brain function and judgement and increase the risk of accidents of one form or another.
Quite apart from the bad breathe issue...

The ketogenic diet was actually made in the 1920's to help with Epilepsy. The impair brain function comes from induction process the body goes through which is usually 10-30 days. It has helped many children with epilepsy and has had some success with adults, I think adults is less because of how long they have had it.

The ketogenic diet does work but I wouldn't recomend someone to use it, only because i think there are better ways to go.

[White Line Fever]

I reckon the best diet is keep protein and fats the same and cycle the carbs.

[mal]

16/3/2012
A Current Affair
6:30 PM
Channell 7

One of the stories is about losing 40 kilos by eating bananas !
And thats by eating about 70 bananas a day
What the ....

[cennals05]

16/3/2012
A Current Affair
6:30 PM
Channell 7

One of the stories is about losing 40 kilos by eating bananas !
And thats by eating about 70 bananas a day
What the ....

70 bananas a day!! That's about 9000 calories. How could they possibly lose weight??!!

[Brucetiki]

Down to 88 now

[Big Phil]

Down to 88 now

Saw you at the footy today Bruce, with your mate Rhys, certainly thought you had trimmed up a bit - well done mate.

[mighty_tiger_79]

16/3/2012
A Current Affair
6:30 PM
Channell 7

One of the stories is about losing 40 kilos by eating bananas !
And thats by eating about 70 bananas a day
What the ....

70 bananas a day!! That's about 9000 calories. How could they possibly lose weight??!!

well make the bananas into a thickshake!