SAAFL cracking down on violence

[Phantom Gossiper]

Assault on the street get how many years jail assault on footy field gets 1 match suspension

Assault on the street gets a slap on the wrist and off you go to do it again, doesn't it?

Correct, minor fine, no conviction.

[kickinit]

I'm sure the SAAFL is hoping it doesn't have to deal with this at all and really they shouldn't have to deal with it. Yes it may take time and money away from the SAAFL but who do we blame for that. The only reason why this is happening is because of clubs and players, if it wasn't happening then they wouldn't of had to do this.

[Executive Member]

I'm sure the SAAFL is hoping it doesn't have to deal with this at all and really they shouldn't have to deal with it. Yes it may take time and money away from the SAAFL but who do we blame for that. The only reason why this is happening is because of clubs and players, if it wasn't happening then they wouldn't of had to do this.

not sure what money you think is being wasted as the SAAFL board are all volunteers

[morell]

So which 4 clubs?

[old farmer]

All comes back to everyone involved in this league from the very top down to club coaches and players thinking the are in the AFL. Media has a fair bit to answer for too.
Fair dinkum, we are part of a suburban league with regular Joes having a kick and a catch and the clubs don't have the resources to check everyones background before they take the field and i don't think there would be one club that deliberately let these incidents happen and then not act on them. Biggest problem in Adelaide is there is one league to cater for all clubs therefore they can bring in as much bullshit as they want and we all have to put up with it, would not happen in any other state where clubs would not be dictated to. And the amount of people on this forum who think they know everything and their clubs are perfect and squeeky clean are full of it, every club has it's dickheads and problems, just some deal with it better than others and that usually comesback to what volunteers are running the show at the time. To threaten to kick clubs out when they have no other leaguein the metro area to go and play footy is a joke and punishing hundreds of people for one persons actions. Absolute JOKE

[old farmer]

So which 4 clubs?

Why do you want to know, not your problem or business. OR is it????

[Gavin roo]

From where I see it, the clubs would only be punished if time and time again their players are at the tribunal for reckless incidents. I think we all know that it is possible to stamp out this sort of behaviour at club level.

We are not talking about one idiot who breaks someones jaw in his first game. Unfortunately, it is impossible to predict and prevent incidents like this.

Clubs cannot be held responsible for the acts of individuals but they can and should be held responsible for creating a culture that encourages fair play and punishes those who do not abide.

If a club is not actively working to encourage fairness and accountability then I see no problem with the SAAFL punishing them.

[heater31]

From where I see it, the clubs would only be punished if time and time again their players are at the tribunal for reckless incidents. I think we all know that it is possible to stamp out this sort of behaviour at club level.

We are not talking about one idiot who breaks someones jaw in his first game. Unfortunately, it is impossible to predict and prevent incidents like this.

Clubs cannot be held responsible for the acts of individuals but they can and should be held responsible for creating a culture that encourages fair play and punishes those who do not abide.

If a club is not actively working to encourage fairness and accountability then I see no problem with the SAAFL punishing them.

Perhaps clubs should get all players to fill out moral contracts outlining their duty of care and expectations of representing the club on the field.

I know at my cricket club last year we filled out something similar.

[morell]

So which 4 clubs?

Why do you want to know, not your problem or business. OR is it????

So I know when to advise our guys when to wear their mouth guards.

Little bit tense there old farmer, perhaps Ingle Farm would be on that list?

[Jimmy_041]

What happens if you get a new bloke off the street come and train with you, nobody knows him from a bar of soap then he decides he'll play so you chuck him in your C's or D's and he has a blackout during the game and does something stupid. Is it fair your higher grades cops the penalty for that when this bloke may only play 1 game for your club ever and has no affiliation with anyone? Serious question because it's a scenario which is very likely to happen.

A new bloke off the street comes to your front door and says he has nowhere to stay, neither your wife, 4 daughters or you know him from a bar of soap, he decides he'll stay the night so you chuck him in your spare room...................... Want me to keep going or are you getting the picture?
It's called a duty of care and, whether you like it or not, your committee people have a duty of care as much as you do at home.

My club would never let anyone in without finding out who they are.

[Executive Member]

What happens if you get a new bloke off the street come and train with you, nobody knows him from a bar of soap then he decides he'll play so you chuck him in your C's or D's and he has a blackout during the game and does something stupid. Is it fair your higher grades cops the penalty for that when this bloke may only play 1 game for your club ever and has no affiliation with anyone? Serious question because it's a scenario which is very likely to happen.

A new bloke off the street comes to your front door and says he has nowhere to stay, neither your wife, 4 daughters or you know him from a bar of soap, he decides he'll stay the night so you chuck him in your spare room...................... Want me to keep going or are you getting the picture?
It's called a duty of care and, whether you like it or not, your committee people have a duty of care as much as you do at home.

My club would never let anyone in without finding out who they are.

pfft they let you play

[Cash 123]

Assault on the street get how many years jail assault on footy field gets 1 match suspension

Assault on the street gets a slap on the wrist and off you go to do it again, doesn't it?

Correct, minor fine, no conviction.

So the club handled the situation well. So why would there be a need for the SAAFL to get involved afterwards and punish the clubs more?

[HH3]

What happens if you get a new bloke off the street come and train with you, nobody knows him from a bar of soap then he decides he'll play so you chuck him in your C's or D's and he has a blackout during the game and does something stupid. Is it fair your higher grades cops the penalty for that when this bloke may only play 1 game for your club ever and has no affiliation with anyone? Serious question because it's a scenario which is very likely to happen.

A new bloke off the street comes to your front door and says he has nowhere to stay, neither your wife, 4 daughters or you know him from a bar of soap, he decides he'll stay the night so you chuck him in your spare room...................... Want me to keep going or are you getting the picture?
It's called a duty of care and, whether you like it or not, your committee people have a duty of care as much as you do at home.

My club would never let anyone in without finding out who they are.

I dont think football clubs have authority to do background checks on all their players. And even guys who have no history of violence can snap and do some damage. Its shit, but all the clubs can do now is be proactive in setting a standard and informing the players what that standard is.

If a player breaks club rules, he should have a club imposed ban on top of an SAAFL ban, and the club would be in the clear because they have dealt with the issue the best they can. Being amateur, you cant fine someone, unless you cancel match payments.

[old farmer]

What happens if you get a new bloke off the street come and train with you, nobody knows him from a bar of soap then he decides he'll play so you chuck him in your C's or D's and he has a blackout during the game and does something stupid. Is it fair your higher grades cops the penalty for that when this bloke may only play 1 game for your club ever and has no affiliation with anyone? Serious question because it's a scenario which is very likely to happen.

A new bloke off the street comes to your front door and says he has nowhere to stay, neither your wife, 4 daughters or you know him from a bar of soap, he decides he'll stay the night so you chuck him in your spare room...................... Want me to keep going or are you getting the picture?
It's called a duty of care and, whether you like it or not, your committee people have a duty of care as much as you do at home.

My club would never let anyone in without finding out who they are.

So you do character testing, police checks, reference checks, ask for resumes to all players at your club, what a load of crap.

[old farmer]

So which 4 clubs?

Why do you want to know, not your problem or business. OR is it????

So I know when to advise our guys when to wear their mouth guards.

Little bit tense there old farmer, perhaps Ingle Farm would be on that list?

Not tense at all, think this is just another load of crap that this league and especially the people on hear blow out of proportion as usual. .

You want to advise your players when to wear mouthguards because of maybe 1 problem player in somebodies club, you are a knob. MP have a great record and never been looked out or investigated have they? People in glass houses.........

My whole point is worry about your own backyard, sorry i'll spell everything out for you in future.

[Old Dog New Tricks]

Some people will always be dickheads, why punish the club as a whole? Why not punish the individual?

Isn't that the issue?, getting clubs to identify the dickheads and either get them to pull their heads in or p155 them off.

[Phantom Gossiper]

Some people will always be dickheads, why punish the club as a whole? Why not punish the individual?

Isn't that the issue?, getting clubs to identify the dickheads and either get them to pull their heads in or p155 them off.

Is it? How can you identify a person character before an incident? What sort of processes do they expect to put in place to find these dickheads? Are we as clubs expected to make a prospective player jump through hoops and run them through a million tests to find out if they are worthy to pull on a jumper and have a kick?!

The SAAFL want to look like they are doing something here, but the bottom line is most clubs deal swiftly with trouble makers these days anyway, so the league then jumping on the clubs back after the fact is a stupid waste of time.

You will never be able to 100% get rid of all trouble makers.

I swear sometimes I think the league just sit back reading the forums to work out how they can best inject themselves.

[Old Dog New Tricks]

Some people will always be dickheads, why punish the club as a whole? Why not punish the individual?

Isn't that the issue?, getting clubs to identify the dickheads and either get them to pull their heads in or p155 them off.

Is it? How can you identify a person character before an incident? What sort of processes do they expect to put in place to find these dickheads? Are we as clubs expected to make a prospective player jump through hoops and run them through a million tests to find out if they are worthy to pull on a jumper and have a kick?!

The SAAFL want to look like they are doing something here, but the bottom line is most clubs deal swiftly with trouble makers these days anyway, so the league then jumping on the clubs back after the fact is a stupid waste of time.

You will never be able to 100% get rid of all trouble makers.

I swear sometimes I think the league just sit back reading the forums to work out how they can best inject themselves.

Are you telling me or those on this forum that you couldn't guess who might fly off the radar tomorrow with a punch to someones head or similar.

Sh*te, I've only been reading your crap for 5 minutes and I can tell you're an idiot.

[old farmer]

Jeez, I know its been a tough year for you blokes old farmer but perhaps settle down and have a cup of tea to relax. Or kick the dog. Maybe some alone time? Are you still bitter about the 2002 GF? Not sure but you're wound up like a plastic watch.

MP do have a great record thanks. Our thuggish reputation is now extremely outdated and pretty much completely unfounded. Have a look at the stats, we are in the middle of the road if not in the lower quadrant of clubs in terms of on field discipline issues over the last 5 years.

Plenty of others to get the auditors up in their junk before us. I was curious to know specifically who they would be.

How about we start with...

#1. Ingle Farm
#2. ....

What gives you the right to name our club. Do you know the clubs being investigated or are you just throwing mud with no proof. Don't think any clubs need to be named on here unless it's fact. Just another peanut on here who thinks he's more important than he is.

[interested observer]

Some people will always be dickheads, why punish the club as a whole? Why not punish the individual?

Isn't that the issue?, getting clubs to identify the dickheads and either get them to pull their heads in or p155 them off.

Is it? How can you identify a person character before an incident? What sort of processes do they expect to put in place to find these dickheads? Are we as clubs expected to make a prospective player jump through hoops and run them through a million tests to find out if they are worthy to pull on a jumper and have a kick?!

The SAAFL want to look like they are doing something here, but the bottom line is most clubs deal swiftly with trouble makers these days anyway, so the league then jumping on the clubs back after the fact is a stupid waste of time.

You will never be able to 100% get rid of all trouble makers.

I swear sometimes I think the league just sit back reading the forums to work out how they can best inject themselves.

Are you suggesting that there has never been repeat offenders at IF Phantom ?