SAAFL cracking down on violence

[aussi rulz]

If something had to be done this was not the answer. Just the SAAFL trying to look pro-active after recent bad publicity. Shame

so Cash lets say your son gets king hit from behind the play and from behind (didnt even see the lowlife that hit him), he spends the next 8 weeks eating through a straw and could lose vision in one eye, you are a fool is you think that the SAAFL are being to tough. this has happened way to many times this year, i think we should name the clubs that have been investergated.

[Old Dog New Tricks]

If something had to be done this was not the answer. Just the SAAFL trying to look pro-active after recent bad publicity. Shame

so Cash lets say your son gets king hit from behind the play and from behind (didnt even see the lowlife that hit him), he spends the next 8 weeks eating through a straw and could lose vision in one eye, you are a fool is you think that the SAAFL are being to tough. this has happened way to many times this year, i think we should name the clubs that have been investergated.

Too right

[woodublieve12]

If something had to be done this was not the answer. Just the SAAFL trying to look pro-active after recent bad publicity. Shame

so Cash lets say your son gets king hit from behind the play and from behind (didnt even see the lowlife that hit him), he spends the next 8 weeks eating through a straw and could lose vision in one eye, you are a fool is you think that the SAAFL are being to tough. this has happened way to many times this year, i think we should name the clubs that have been investergated.

Too right

x2 well said...

[Cash 123]

If something had to be done this was not the answer. Just the SAAFL trying to look pro-active after recent bad publicity. Shame

so Cash lets say your son gets king hit from behind the play and from behind (didnt even see the lowlife that hit him), he spends the next 8 weeks eating through a straw and could lose vision in one eye, you are a fool is you think that the SAAFL are being to tough. this has happened way to many times this year, i think we should name the clubs that have been investergated.

auzzi rules get off gunja u clown

[Old Dog New Tricks]

If something had to be done this was not the answer. Just the SAAFL trying to look pro-active after recent bad publicity. Shame

so Cash lets say your son gets king hit from behind the play and from behind (didnt even see the lowlife that hit him), he spends the next 8 weeks eating through a straw and could lose vision in one eye, you are a fool is you think that the SAAFL are being to tough. this has happened way to many times this year, i think we should name the clubs that have been investergated.

auzzi rules get off gunja u clown

Perhaps the mods might turn this into a poll over 1/2 a dozen broken jaws and a couple of smashed cheekbones from behind the play stuff then we can see who the real clowns are or are they just from the clubs who are possibly under the pump and have something to worry about?

Are the amateurs over reacting

or

are they doing something long overdue

[stan]

If something had to be done this was not the answer. Just the SAAFL trying to look pro-active after recent bad publicity. Shame

so Cash lets say your son gets king hit from behind the play and from behind (didnt even see the lowlife that hit him), he spends the next 8 weeks eating through a straw and could lose vision in one eye, you are a fool is you think that the SAAFL are being to tough. this has happened way to many times this year, i think we should name the clubs that have been investergated.

Too right

x2 well said...

Yep lets name the clubs.

[kickinit]

wouldn't surprise me if a div 1 club was in there have noticed a fair few at the tribunal this year

[locky801]

wouldn't surprise me if a div 1 club was in there have noticed a fair few at the tribunal this year

Well who???????????????????????????????????????????????

[LaughingKookaburra]

There seems to be a lot of touchy posts here. I don't think naming clubs is objective. But if some bloke is seriously injured or killed from a king hit or kick to the temple region and the league had known the club in question was questionable to be polite then how would you as the director of the organisation react? Courts don't care for how things are dealt within, they are searching for social justice. Get out of your fantasy worlds.....

[Jimmy_041]

Some people will always be dickheads, why punish the club as a whole? Why not punish the individual?

Isn't that the issue?, getting clubs to identify the dickheads and either get them to pull their heads in or p155 them off.

Is it? How can you identify a person character before an incident? What sort of processes do they expect to put in place to find these dickheads? Are we as clubs expected to make a prospective player jump through hoops and run them through a million tests to find out if they are worthy to pull on a jumper and have a kick?!

The SAAFL want to look like they are doing something here, but the bottom line is most clubs deal swiftly with trouble makers these days anyway, so the league then jumping on the clubs back after the fact is a stupid waste of time.

You will never be able to 100% get rid of all trouble makers.

I swear sometimes I think the league just sit back reading the forums to work out how they can best inject themselves.

I swear sometimes I could pick 4-6 clubs with the same attitude.
The funny thing is PG, I also think there are the same no. of Presidents of clubs, who put in countless hours of voluntary work, who have been just been given the tools to make the changes they have wanted to, but could never get through to people like you.

[Yank Man]

Team mates have just as much responsibility. They are the ones close to the action and would know who the troublemakers are. The clubs can't do much from afar but are left to clean up the mess afterwards, unless they have prior knowledge of who they are then it is on their shoulders.

[Jimmy_041]

What happens if you get a new bloke off the street come and train with you, nobody knows him from a bar of soap then he decides he'll play so you chuck him in your C's or D's and he has a blackout during the game and does something stupid. Is it fair your higher grades cops the penalty for that when this bloke may only play 1 game for your club ever and has no affiliation with anyone? Serious question because it's a scenario which is very likely to happen.

A new bloke off the street comes to your front door and says he has nowhere to stay, neither your wife, 4 daughters or you know him from a bar of soap, he decides he'll stay the night so you chuck him in your spare room...................... Want me to keep going or are you getting the picture?
It's called a duty of care and, whether you like it or not, your committee people have a duty of care as much as you do at home.

My club would never let anyone in without finding out who they are.

pfft they let you play

Mrs 041 still blames her father for letting me in that night, and is still looking for her 3 sisters

[Executive Member]

And their Cooper shares

[The Big Shrek]

What happens if you get a new bloke off the street come and train with you, nobody knows him from a bar of soap then he decides he'll play so you chuck him in your C's or D's and he has a blackout during the game and does something stupid. Is it fair your higher grades cops the penalty for that when this bloke may only play 1 game for your club ever and has no affiliation with anyone? Serious question because it's a scenario which is very likely to happen.

A new bloke off the street comes to your front door and says he has nowhere to stay, neither your wife, 4 daughters or you know him from a bar of soap, he decides he'll stay the night so you chuck him in your spare room...................... Want me to keep going or are you getting the picture?
It's called a duty of care and, whether you like it or not, your committee people have a duty of care as much as you do at home.

My club would never let anyone in without finding out who they are.

All time stupidest post from Jimmy.

[Executive Member]

What happens if you get a new bloke off the street come and train with you, nobody knows him from a bar of soap then he decides he'll play so you chuck him in your C's or D's and he has a blackout during the game and does something stupid. Is it fair your higher grades cops the penalty for that when this bloke may only play 1 game for your club ever and has no affiliation with anyone? Serious question because it's a scenario which is very likely to happen.

A new bloke off the street comes to your front door and says he has nowhere to stay, neither your wife, 4 daughters or you know him from a bar of soap, he decides he'll stay the night so you chuck him in your spare room...................... Want me to keep going or are you getting the picture?
It's called a duty of care and, whether you like it or not, your committee people have a duty of care as much as you do at home.

My club would never let anyone in without finding out who they are.

All time stupidest post from Jimmy.

Gutsy especially if he is sitting across from you at your next visit to Thebarton

[Phantom Gossiper]

I swear sometimes I could pick 4-6 clubs with the same attitude.
The funny thing is PG, I also think there are the same no. of Presidents of clubs, who put in countless hours of voluntary work, who have been just been given the tools to make the changes they have wanted to, but could never get through to people like you.

OMG... To clear this up..

Im not against the concept of cracking down on violence. Im not against tougher penalties handed down..

I just think that doing it mid-way through the season is stupid. Have it set out and organised prior to the start of the next season!

Also I want more clarity - what determines an offence? Is it suspensions? Is it send offs? Is it reports? What period of time are these offences over?

My biggest concern is - and we will use Ingle Farm for example - that the club had an issue over a month ago, the club banned 3 members for life, made club moves to assist in not only making sure it never happened again but change the overall culture of the club.
The club has added two new members to the committee, has developed a code of conduct policy for all members to adopt with harsh penalties attached, created dry zones at games, hired security for home games. We have so far had no issues (obviously still too early to get too excited) but we are working hard to progress.

Now my concern is the SAAFL investigating clubs mid season, if - and I wouldn't be suprised - Ingle Farm is one of those clubs, then it feels like they are dragging the whole incident up again when we have worked hard behind the scences to rectify the problem.

As for "getting through to people like me", i'm not a trouble maker, i've never been sent off or reported or suspended. I joined the committee and pushed the need for tougher set of standards for the club and introduced the code of conduct and plan on working hard with the rest of the committee to change our image.

[Phantom Gossiper]

I also dont believe clubs should be named on here, I don't think it's fair that these clubs are judged and scrutinised by the amateur league world who maybe don't have all the information or facts on the situation. The clubs would have enough to deal with without being crucified and judgement passed by those not invovled.

[Phantom Gossiper]

Are you suggesting that there has never been repeat offenders at IF Phantom ?

No i'm not suggesting that at all, my comment was more based at new people who come to a club.
I'm not going to jump the gun and judge a person until I get to know them, and I will treat them like any other person until such time that they abuse that trust.

[Phantom Gossiper]

I'll conclude in saying...

Tougher penalties for perpetrators and really come down on repeat offenders. Give clubs a chance to deal with the offender(s) and if not satisfied then punish them.

Just think if you have one bad egg in one side in your club who does the wrong thing, it isn't fair that you punish the other xx amount of club members doing the right thing, playing for the right reasons.

[LaughingKookaburra]

But Phantom what happens if a serious incident happens again before they sit down at the end of the year as you suggest? Something needs to happen now mate you can't put things such as this off. No one wants to see these things happen but if no more incidents happen then the SAAFL will have achieved what they wanted.