Rnd 15 - Norwood v Central POST GAME DISCUSSIONS

[Jim05]

One from the 'where's Spelly when you need him?' files:

When was the last time a team got more disposals, hit outs, clearances (this one comfortably) and inside 50s, took more marks, and laid more tackles, and lost? Let alone lost in circs where they never looked like winning.

I guess a classic case of damned lies & statistics, as those at the ground seem to pretty universally report that Norwood always (except maybe the first 7 minutes and the last 7 minutes) looked the better side.

Hard to explain all of those stats.
Think they chipped it around short and wide in the back half quite a lot which would account for a lot of their stats. We nearly always lose the hitouts so no surprise there.
The clearances did suprise me, would like to see the breakdown as I thought we killed them at center bounces.
Felt like we had a lot more inside 50's

[Pseudo]

One from the 'where's Spelly when you need him?' files:

When was the last time a team got more disposals, hit outs, clearances (this one comfortably) and inside 50s, took more marks, and laid more tackles, and lost? Let alone lost in circs where they never looked like winning.

Complete guess: 2009 preliminary final. AFAIK Glenelg was on top of Sturt in EVERY stat except for one: the one which mattered.

[UK Fan]

Must say the crowd behaviour was excellant from what I saw, plenty of mingling and good banter.

Agreed apart from the footy it was a great day on coopers hill. Excellent crowd!!

Half time entertainment was great . Funny at first my only complaint was the ending dragged

[whufc]

If we havent worked out by now that at kick outs every single time Terlich plays on goes to his left and then either handballs to the guy in the pocket or kicks out long to the outer wing we should be shot. Most of the time we had Gowans zoning in the left hand pocket to which Terlich would either draw him in or use his pace to run round around him. The couple of times James Boyd took up that position Terlich kicked one out on the full and then missed the target with the handball. Obviously a player with leg speed needs to take that position in the kick out zone.

After thinking about the game a bit more. Norwood really did smash us, both sides had good players out who will change the way they play. Boy have we struggled at Unley and Norwood Oval in recent years. Real strange considering we have done very well down at Glenelg a similar sized oval.

Surely by watching Norwood play pretty good football Lairdy had a real good chance to see how Norwood want to operate.

Thought it was strange Lairdy never bothered to put Hardy on Jericho. Hardy was struggling in the forward lines and would have been the best match up for Jericho.

Lots of improvement needed by the Dogs but on a bigger ground with a couple of positional changes i think we are a real big shot.
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[whufc]

Also will add i think most Central supporters love the madman no fear style of Scott Dutschke but one thing i noticed yesterday was there was atleast 3-4 occasions where the ball had been kicked in long and Hardy had his man all but beat and had hands on the ball only for Dutschke to come flying in and smash the pack to bits. He really needs to look at each contest and work out whether he needs to smash in because it definatly cost us a couple of set shot oppurtunity (we probably would have missed them anyway)

[whufc]

From Adelaidenow

Central coach Roy Laird declared he'd told some of his players they were unlikely to be picked for finals after failing to stand up against Norwood yesterday. ``I mentioned to some blokes they've probably consigned themselves to not playing finals based on their performance in a game like this today,''

Please be Reichart, Please be Reichart, Please be Reichart!!!!

[udogs01]

From Adelaidenow

Central coach Roy Laird declared he'd told some of his players they were unlikely to be picked for finals after failing to stand up against Norwood yesterday. ``I mentioned to some blokes they've probably consigned themselves to not playing finals based on their performance in a game like this today,''

Please be Reichart, Please be Reichart, Please be Reichart!!!!

A little unfair to single out one player at the moment we have a few playing well below their best.

[whufc]

From Adelaidenow

Central coach Roy Laird declared he'd told some of his players they were unlikely to be picked for finals after failing to stand up against Norwood yesterday. ``I mentioned to some blokes they've probably consigned themselves to not playing finals based on their performance in a game like this today,''

Please be Reichart, Please be Reichart, Please be Reichart!!!!

A little unfair to single out one player at the moment we have a few playing well below their best.

He maybe a good player in the future but if he ends up being our full back against the likes of Jericho, Warren, Brad Fisher, Ferguson, Hartlett (whoever else West may throw up forward), Kirkby we will not make the GF.

As it stands right now he isnt tall enough, strong enough, or have a leap good enough to play on the big key forwards in the SANFL. Kirkby kicked 5 on him at the bay with the assistance of Goodrem filling the whole. Jericho had 10 scoring shots yesterday (not all on him but majority).

Do you truly believe we can win the premiership with Riechart playing as a key defender?

Personally i would rather see Hardy play at full back and Matty Westoff brought into the side to play in the forward lines.

[mal]

Last paragraph from todays press was interesting on the leg break delay

'Officials did discuss calling off the game but chose to wait instead.'

Questions
If the game was called off at half time what is the result ?
Does Norwood win becoz they led 6-7 to 2-4 ?
Is the game abandoned and both sides get the points [and its not a draw take note Centurion]?
Or do we let WHUFC make the game verdict ?

Surely you cant give the leading team the win
Otherwise if CD are up by a point in time on off this years Grand Final about 1,000 CD barrackers will fall over the fence

[hawkseye]

2 things stood out for me yesterday and it was my only 2nd game for the year because of amateur commitments. Centrals long bombing in to the forward line where 2 and 3 and at times 4 blokes flying for the same ball where as Norwood were more precise with their delivery
The other thing is I be wont buying another Bassett Burger from the bbq if they keep dishing them up cold.

[Big Phil]

Roy explains the huddle below...

From Localfootysa...

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl ... 6420466687

HUDDLE-GATE

I know it would have been a treat for Norwood supporters but for the neutral fan yesterday's top of the table blockbuster fell way short of expectations.

The most interesting moment of the day happened before the ball was bounced.

For those of you who weren't at the game, Central completed what can only be described as a bizarre on ground warm-up.

The Bulldogs were out on the ground well before Norwood and after running a couple of laps stationed themselves right outside the Redlegs' race.

They stretched and did a handball drill, obviously waiting for the Legs to emerge.

When Norwood's team ran out the Central's players turned and faced them and then began running in a group right next to the Redlegs.

They followed them to the wing before veering off into another direction.

Then after kicking at goal at the opposite end of the ground, the Central's players positioned their huddle right next to Norwood's.

It appeared to be gamesmanship but Central coach Roy Laird said the tactic - which came from him - was designed to stir up his own players.

``We know the response we get from the Norwood supporters so I just wanted our guys to hopefully sense that and get us involved in the game early,'' Laird said.

``It was purely just to get our guys mentally involved in the game through hopefully copping a bit of stick (from the Norwood crowd).''

Central did start well but Norwood matched them so at the end of the day it didn't have a huge impact.

Norwood coach Nathan Bassett took it as a mark of respect.

``I (told) our players at quarter time that it's a measure of respect for what we've achieved so far this year,'' Bassett said.

``It's certainly something I haven't seen them do before. Our guys responded well and got on with playing the game.''

[Go Legs]

Lots of things didn't work yesterday for the Dogs and it all started from the top.

I respect Roy Laird however a team sent out early and tries to get inside another teams head before they run out onto the ground, then goes the spiteful stuff in the first 10 minutes has either no respect for the SANFL clear season leaders with only 1 loss for the season out of 15 games and/or had given up on wining the game before it even started.

I think both, Lairdy has run his race at Centrals and has run out of ideas, crucifying kids by saying they will not make this years GF is not only demeaning but could come back and bite his bum when and "IF" the Dogs make the grand final he may well need these players to make up a team. There were a lot of senior players who didn't give much of a yelp as well. Two of which should have retired last year, you know who I mean.

Norwood's depth runs deep with more than 30 players on the list who can be trusted to do the job, some of these just kids barely out of under 18's. We also have 2 man mountains on hold keen to make a mark in the league side and it won't be long on yesterday's performance in the 2's

Excellent crowd and an unusual quietness at the end of the game, no mad jumping and yelling from the players, or overboard supporters, perhaps Norwood pays Centrals more respect than they reciprocated.

Cheers,

[smac]

Sack Laird! He can go with Chuck to the dole queue.

[JK]

Amazing how differently we see things .. Personally I think the pre-game method the Dogs employed yesterday is a non-issue, and didn't show disrespect at all - If anything it was the opposite.

Might not have had the desired effect yesterday for them, but I doubt it was entirely about just yesterday's game anyway .. The Dog's like all clubs (including my own), continually look for opposition weaknesses to exploit and note as such on their intel - Maybe they picked up on something and maybe they didn't.

All we can worry about is what we can control.

[whufc]

Lots of things didn't work yesterday for the Dogs and it all started from the top.

I respect Roy Laird however a team sent out early and tries to get inside another teams head before they run out onto the ground, then goes the spiteful stuff in the first 10 minutes has either no respect for the SANFL clear season leaders with only 1 loss for the season out of 15 games and/or had given up on wining the game before it even started.

I think both, Lairdy has run his race at Centrals and has run out of ideas, crucifying kids by saying they will not make this years GF is not only demeaning but could come back and bite his bum when and "IF" the Dogs make the grand final he may well need these players to make up a team. There were a lot of senior players who didn't give much of a yelp as well. Two of which should have retired last year, you know who I mean.

Norwood's depth runs deep with more than 30 players on the list who can be trusted to do the job, some of these just kids barely out of under 18's. We also have 2 man mountains on hold keen to make a mark in the league side and it won't be long on yesterday's performance in the 2's

Excellent crowd and an unusual quietness at the end of the game, no mad jumping and yelling from the players, or overboard supporters, perhaps Norwood pays Centrals more respect than they reciprocated.

Cheers,

Lairdy was quoted on Adelaidenow as saying the pre match stuff was his idea and than that it was more an attempt to razz his own players up rather than get into the Norwoods players heads. Whether people believe that is up to them.

I didnt agree with it and in Lairdys case he has to live and die by it. We lost he looks stupid if we had won people would be talking about it for years as a masterstroke. To be honest the only period we dominated in the first 3 quarters was the first 10 min of the game. Norwood gave away the first 3 free kicks, so to an exstent maybe it did work. Problem is you cant play off stuff like that for 4 quarters.

Anyway he has hopefully learnt something (either about his own players or norwoods players) he will almost certainly not use again come finals. If he doesnt learn anything from it then it becomes a massive error.

[Big Phil]

From Adelaidenow

Central coach Roy Laird declared he'd told some of his players they were unlikely to be picked for finals after failing to stand up against Norwood yesterday. ``I mentioned to some blokes they've probably consigned themselves to not playing finals based on their performance in a game like this today,''

Please be Reichart, Please be Reichart, Please be Reichart!!!!

I'm sure Corey Reichert was probably one of those players Roy had that conversation with, whufc

[Big Phil]

From Adelaidenow

Central coach Roy Laird declared he'd told some of his players they were unlikely to be picked for finals after failing to stand up against Norwood yesterday. ``I mentioned to some blokes they've probably consigned themselves to not playing finals based on their performance in a game like this today,''

Please be Reichart, Please be Reichart, Please be Reichart!!!!

A little unfair to single out one player at the moment we have a few playing well below their best.

He maybe a good player in the future but if he ends up being our full back against the likes of Jericho, Warren, Brad Fisher, Ferguson, Hartlett (whoever else West may throw up forward), Kirkby we will not make the GF.

As it stands right now he isnt tall enough, strong enough, or have a leap good enough to play on the big key forwards in the SANFL. Kirkby kicked 5 on him at the bay with the assistance of Goodrem filling the whole. Jericho had 10 scoring shots yesterday (not all on him but majority).

Do you truly believe we can win the premiership with Riechart playing as a key defender?

Personally i would rather see Hardy play at full back and Matty Westoff brought into the side to play in the forward lines.

Corey Reichert is only in the League side at the moment due to the absence of Tom Collier and Yves Sibenaler. Not sure if you saw Matt Westhoff's performance in the seconds whufc, but he wouldn't have been any good in the League side yesterday. Not sure if it has been tried before, but perhaps Reichert could be switched into the forward line to see how he goes down there?

[JK]

I didnt agree with it and in Lairdys case he has to live and die by it. We lost he looks stupid if we had won people would be talking about it for years as a masterstroke.

A) I don't think it made him look stupid and B) I doubt Roy would care what people think about 1 episode.

If you guys win the flag noone will care.

If anything I applaud him for trying something unconventional, certainly made the pre-game more interesting for supporters.

[cennals05]

Lots of things didn't work yesterday for the Dogs and it all started from the top.

I respect Roy Laird however a team sent out early and tries to get inside another teams head before they run out onto the ground, then goes the spiteful stuff in the first 10 minutes has either no respect for the SANFL clear season leaders with only 1 loss for the season out of 15 games and/or had given up on wining the game before it even started.

I think both, Lairdy has run his race at Centrals and has run out of ideas, crucifying kids by saying they will not make this years GF is not only demeaning but could come back and bite his bum when and "IF" the Dogs make the grand final he may well need these players to make up a team. There were a lot of senior players who didn't give much of a yelp as well. Two of which should have retired last year, you know who I mean.

Norwood's depth runs deep with more than 30 players on the list who can be trusted to do the job, some of these just kids barely out of under 18's. We also have 2 man mountains on hold keen to make a mark in the league side and it won't be long on yesterday's performance in the 2's

Excellent crowd and an unusual quietness at the end of the game, no mad jumping and yelling from the players, or overboard supporters, perhaps Norwood pays Centrals more respect than they reciprocated.

Cheers,

Lairdy has the runs on the board, he can try what he likes.

If only you could hear what Bassett says about some of his players around the corridors at work. Not complimentary.

[Big Phil]

Amazing how differently we see things .. Personally I think the pre-game method the Dogs employed yesterday is a non-issue, and didn't show disrespect at all - If anything it was the opposite.

Spot on, JK...

And that is what Nathan Bassett thought as well...

HUDDLE-GATE

Norwood coach Nathan Bassett took it (pre-game tactics from Central) as a mark of respect.

``I (told) our players at quarter time that it's a measure of respect for what we've achieved so far this year,'' Bassett said.

``It's certainly something I haven't seen them do before. Our guys responded well and got on with playing the game.''