Grade Cricket

[daysofourlives]

What a ridiculous statement.
It seems to me Grade clubs have lost focus of what their role is in the whole scheme of South Australian cricket.
Perhaps SACA need to give them a reminder.
Back in the 90's the only reason you were at a grade club was to progress to higher levels, it was every man for himself and premierships were a by product of everyone striving to get to the next level.[/quote]

Grade clubs have far from lost their focus, they continue to provide the best possible facilities and coaching to improve their cricketers. This has improved massively over the past 5 or so years.

How is anything different to the 90s as far as higher level intent and premierships as a by product? we see more and more Grade cricketers poached by ATCA clubs as the individuals dont want to improve themselves and or play at a higher level. The ones at grade clubs work their ass off to improve their game many have extra net sessions over and above normal trainings.[/quote]

Was referring to the statement i highlighted in bold, its ridiculous, no one playing grade cricket would decline to play for the state. And the club loyalty and playing with mates was the other part i disagreed with. Lots of players change clubs searching for better opportunities to improve their cricket and perform at a higher level.[/quote]

Your interpretation of what was said is the ridiculous part of your post. They won't play State cricket because they have been given an opportunity and the people in SACA have marked their card "never to play again". I will give you 1 name that stands out "Jason Borgas", absolutely shafted by those that were in power. There are others, a knowledge of the grade system would enable you to identify them yourself. There are numerous reasons why you play team sports, 1 being to play at the highest level, another being to play with and for your mates, the player puts whichever as the highest priority. I take it from your post that you played for lots of clubs and it was all about you - that is my interpretation of your post. If you have played team and individual sports and achieved success at both, you will understand the difference in the achievement within a team environment. Unfortunately your post suggests to me that it was all about "you" when you played sport.
Gee I would have hated to be at the grade club you were at, sounds very exclusive and I query the reason anyone would go there.
Grade Clubs do not purely exist to produce SACA players, less than 1% of players that travel through Grade clubs play for SACA, there are numerous other reasons as to why they exist, it seems like it just suits your argument to say that, do your research and don't post such crap oh selfish one.[/quote]

I wouldnt assume anything about me, i was at the most successful club of the time yet we still understood our place in producing state cricketers. The whole problm with SA cricket is guys like you who live in the fish bowl of your grade club and dont look at the bigger picture.
Maybe its just a SA footy forum thing and its not representative of how clubs see things but i doubt it very much.
With the new Super league you will all become just feeder clubs so its fantastic for SA cricket.

[Footy Smart]

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I wouldnt assume anything about me, i was at the most successful club of the time yet we still understood our place in producing state cricketers. The whole problm with SA cricket is guys like you who live in the fish bowl of your grade club and dont look at the bigger picture.
Maybe its just a SA footy forum thing and its not representative of how clubs see things but i doubt it very much.
With the new Super league you will all become just feeder clubs so its fantastic for SA cricket.[/quote]

I can assure you that BF is well credentialed to talk about state cricket representation and our club most definately has a state cricketer production focus. The point that is being missed is that Grade clubs can only do so much, they can only provide what they can within limited funds. The club volunteers work tirelessly (well I know they do at TTG) to produce the best possible facilities and the club to provided the best possible coaching staff. What needs to improve is the emerging redbacks program and futures league (which really should be a 2nd 11 again) - this is where the real development for the 1% of cricketers who are good enough to play state cricket (both skill, determination and want) will occur. This is no disrespect to grade coaches who work tirelessly on improving the players however SACA have the funds, high performance coaches and one on one time with the players.

[the bearded wonder]

Any player movements in grade cricket circles. Whos swapping clubs, moving interstate, going to turf cricket or maybe moving to the country?
Seasons not far away must be some action in the transfer market!

[Footy Smart]

Any player movements in grade cricket circles. Whos swapping clubs, moving interstate, going to turf cricket or maybe moving to the country?
Seasons not far away must be some action in the transfer market!

From what i have heard, Port are the most active and will add an insterstate opening bowler who has played shield cricket, a middle order batter from another grade club plus a few more.

Sturt seem to be loosing a few if what i hear is correct.... 2 opeing bowlers and 3 top order bats

ET throwing some cash around but dont think they have landed anyone of note yet.

[Swervyn]

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I wouldnt assume anything about me, i was at the most successful club of the time yet we still understood our place in producing state cricketers. The whole problm with SA cricket is guys like you who live in the fish bowl of your grade club and dont look at the bigger picture.
Maybe its just a SA footy forum thing and its not representative of how clubs see things but i doubt it very much.
With the new Super league you will all become just feeder clubs so its fantastic for SA cricket.

I can assure you that BF is well credentialed to talk about state cricket representation and our club most definately has a state cricketer production focus. The point that is being missed is that Grade clubs can only do so much, they can only provide what they can within limited funds. The club volunteers work tirelessly (well I know they do at TTG) to produce the best possible facilities and the club to provided the best possible coaching staff. What needs to improve is the emerging redbacks program and futures league (which really should be a 2nd 11 again) - this is where the real development for the 1% of cricketers who are good enough to play state cricket (both skill, determination and want) will occur. This is no disrespect to grade coaches who work tirelessly on improving the players however SACA have the funds, high performance coaches and one on one time with the players.[/quote]


Feels like A grade cricket will become B grade cricket... Turf Cricket might be the big winner from this

[Footy Smart]

This super league will be a massive waste of time and resources. What is the point of a lets say Jason Borgas playing in the competition? He's isn't in SACA's 'plan' hence the best Grade cricketers wont be playing in the comp so it will be of sorts an emerging players league.... of which they have an emerging redbacks squad which provides them with far more beneficial results than playing in what could be considered a sub standard 'superl' league.

[daysofourlives]

This super league will be a massive waste of time and resources. What is the point of a lets say Jason Borgas playing in the competition? He's isn't in SACA's 'plan' hence the best Grade cricketers wont be playing in the comp so it will be of sorts an emerging players league.... of which they have an emerging redbacks squad which provides them with far more beneficial results than playing in what could be considered a sub standard 'superl' league.

Can see your point here FS, but its still better than the grade system in the current format.
Ideal would be to have 8 grade clubs (max 10), this is where they have their head in the sand with regards to SA cricket.

[Footy Smart]

This super league will be a massive waste of time and resources. What is the point of a lets say Jason Borgas playing in the competition? He's isn't in SACA's 'plan' hence the best Grade cricketers wont be playing in the comp so it will be of sorts an emerging players league.... of which they have an emerging redbacks squad which provides them with far more beneficial results than playing in what could be considered a sub standard 'superl' league.

Can see your point here FS, but its still better than the grade system in the current format.
Ideal would be to have 8 grade clubs (max 10), this is where they have their head in the sand with regards to SA cricket.

the 'grade system' agreed, not the grade clubs on the most part.....

Agreed, to many clubs - Uni offer little apart from a home for State cricketers when permitted to play, some clubs are full of imports from interstate and some have terrible Jnr set ups. Certrain Criteria should be non negotiable

[Jim05]

Anyone know which clubs the new SACA imports have been aligned to?

[turbo182]

Interesting debate. The idea that the sole purpose of a grade club is to produce State playes is ludicrous. Some clubs (mine inclusive) have over 100 years of history,a nd people who dedicate the time 'for the love of the club'. We would have probably 8 players who would be in the top 56 players - super league will decimate our side. but it seems the way to go.

My thoughts are that the Super league should become a Sunday league. Grade cricket on saturdays, Super league on Sundays. Lose the one day competition. This means the best cricketers in the state plays 180-200 overs of cricket every weekend, and theres no further stress on the clubs. If the SACA are desperate to have a limited overs Grade competition they can still play Twenty-20 on weeknights.

Good result for the clubs - they don't lose their best players.
Good result for the future of the redbacks - elite competition on a Sunday pitting the best in the state against each other without taking away the amount of cricket they play.
Good result for highly talented college players (such as Kelvin Smith etc) who can get exposure if good enough to high levels of cricket that don't clash with independant schools matches.
Good result for strength of grade cricket - doesn't dilute grade cricekt any further.

Thoughts?

[Bulls forever]

Interesting debate. The idea that the sole purpose of a grade club is to produce State playes is ludicrous. Some clubs (mine inclusive) have over 100 years of history,a nd people who dedicate the time 'for the love of the club'. We would have probably 8 players who would be in the top 56 players - super league will decimate our side. but it seems the way to go.

My thoughts are that the Super league should become a Sunday league. Grade cricket on saturdays, Super league on Sundays. Lose the one day competition. This means the best cricketers in the state plays 180-200 overs of cricket every weekend, and theres no further stress on the clubs. If the SACA are desperate to have a limited overs Grade competition they can still play Twenty-20 on weeknights.

Good result for the clubs - they don't lose their best players.
Good result for the future of the redbacks - elite competition on a Sunday pitting the best in the state against each other without taking away the amount of cricket they play.
Good result for highly talented college players (such as Kelvin Smith etc) who can get exposure if good enough to high levels of cricket that don't clash with independant schools matches.
Good result for strength of grade cricket - doesn't dilute grade cricekt any further.

Thoughts?

Turbo, talking sense, what do you think you are doing. From my beliefs, this was the original concept, however they have moved to a different model that competes with Grade Cricket. Irrespective of what anyone thinks, the future of a Grade club is still very important in the cricket structure of this State. The big problem as I see it, is that at the top end, you have a group of 15-20 players getting paid a decent wage to play cricket. The next level down, they are paying their subs of $$$ per year, they are working or studying full time and without reward, as I understand it, are expected to give their weekends up to further their cricket. This might be OK, when young, single, no kids, but would wear a bit thin if you reach mid 20's and an actual life becomes a dream. There are numerous significant issues that effect this Premier League and how they perceive it might run. The above is just one of them.

AND DOOL - answer my question, don't dribble on about how good you were (or thought you were). How do they overcome the Borgas type issue, each club has at least 1 maybe 2, maybe more in that category.

[Footy Smart]

Prospect added a couple of interstate players ive heard?

[The Hound]

Prospect added a couple of interstate players ive heard?

And a couple of local lads as well, and they may be sponsored by the ACT also!

[daysofourlives]

quote]
I wouldnt assume anything about me, i was at the most successful club of the time yet we still understood our place in producing state cricketers. The whole problm with SA cricket is guys like you who live in the fish bowl of your grade club and dont look at the bigger picture.
Maybe its just a SA footy forum thing and its not representative of how clubs see things but i doubt it very much.
With the new Super league you will all become just feeder clubs so its fantastic for SA cricket.

I can assure you that BF is well credentialed to talk about state cricket representation and our club most definately has a state cricketer production focus. The point that is being missed is that Grade clubs can only do so much, they can only provide what they can within limited funds. The club volunteers work tirelessly (well I know they do at TTG) to produce the best possible facilities and the club to provided the best possible coaching staff. What needs to improve is the emerging redbacks program and futures league (which really should be a 2nd 11 again) - this is where the real development for the 1% of cricketers who are good enough to play state cricket (both skill, determination and want) will occur. This is no disrespect to grade coaches who work tirelessly on improving the players however SACA have the funds, high performance coaches and one on one time with the players.[/quote]

BF must have come from another club because i can not recall Tea Tree Gully ever producing a decent state cricketer.
It seems your club in the past hasn't been that focused on producing state cricketers. I think Trav Head will by far be the best prospect to come from your club (Even though i believe he comes from the Northern Districts Zone)

[heater31]

BF must have come from another club because i can not recall Tea Tree Gully ever producing a decent state cricketer.
It seems your club in the past hasn't been that focused on producing state cricketers. I think Trav Head will by far be the best prospect to come from your club (Even though i believe he comes from the Northern Districts Zone)

Also went very close to losing him also......

[Aerie]

Interesting debate. The idea that the sole purpose of a grade club is to produce State playes is ludicrous. Some clubs (mine inclusive) have over 100 years of history,a nd people who dedicate the time 'for the love of the club'. We would have probably 8 players who would be in the top 56 players - super league will decimate our side. but it seems the way to go.

My thoughts are that the Super league should become a Sunday league. Grade cricket on saturdays, Super league on Sundays. Lose the one day competition. This means the best cricketers in the state plays 180-200 overs of cricket every weekend, and theres no further stress on the clubs. If the SACA are desperate to have a limited overs Grade competition they can still play Twenty-20 on weeknights.

Good result for the clubs - they don't lose their best players.
Good result for the future of the redbacks - elite competition on a Sunday pitting the best in the state against each other without taking away the amount of cricket they play.
Good result for highly talented college players (such as Kelvin Smith etc) who can get exposure if good enough to high levels of cricket that don't clash with independant schools matches.
Good result for strength of grade cricket - doesn't dilute grade cricekt any further.

Thoughts?

Good suggestion. I think this would be the best way to go, if they can't get the current Grade competition down to 8-10 clubs. Could incorporate a one day 50 over competition into the Super League concept.

[Footy Smart]

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I wouldnt assume anything about me, i was at the most successful club of the time yet we still understood our place in producing state cricketers. The whole problm with SA cricket is guys like you who live in the fish bowl of your grade club and dont look at the bigger picture.
Maybe its just a SA footy forum thing and its not representative of how clubs see things but i doubt it very much.
With the new Super league you will all become just feeder clubs so its fantastic for SA cricket.

I can assure you that BF is well credentialed to talk about state cricket representation and our club most definately has a state cricketer production focus. The point that is being missed is that Grade clubs can only do so much, they can only provide what they can within limited funds. The club volunteers work tirelessly (well I know they do at TTG) to produce the best possible facilities and the club to provided the best possible coaching staff. What needs to improve is the emerging redbacks program and futures league (which really should be a 2nd 11 again) - this is where the real development for the 1% of cricketers who are good enough to play state cricket (both skill, determination and want) will occur. This is no disrespect to grade coaches who work tirelessly on improving the players however SACA have the funds, high performance coaches and one on one time with the players.

BF must have come from another club because i can not recall Tea Tree Gully ever producing a decent state cricketer.
It seems your club in the past hasn't been that focused on producing state cricketers. I think Trav Head will by far be the best prospect to come from your club (Even though i believe he comes from the Northern Districts Zone)

[/quote]

What a baffling, idiotic post…. yet not surprising coming from you! Total lack of respect and shows how little you know about TTG and the grade comp and other clubs – very narrow minded and obviously anti Grade Cricket
Not that TTGDCC needs to justify itself with 2 current state contracted players (1 Aus U19 and 1 leading one day wicket taker from last season) and one probably going to play if he has a good pre season. Also 15+ players asked to trial for the junior state squads (note: these were not nominated by the club which has blown numbers out but were selected by SACA). In previous years we have had many players around 2nd 11 squads and the odd state appearance with the likes of Chillingworth, Wright, Weaver, Thomas, Borlace, Cameron to name a few. Very few make the grade and play state cricket, so I don’t see how you can justify you comment that we haven’t been focused on producing state cricketers? Any evidence to back up your nonsensical post?

AS for Trav I believe was overlooked by ND in their Jnr set up? Not 100% sure on that, and just because he comes from Gawler means feck all! We have a fair few from Gawler who have chosen to play at the bull ring! So don’t see you point once again

[The Angry Bull]

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I wouldnt assume anything about me, i was at the most successful club of the time yet we still understood our place in producing state cricketers. The whole problm with SA cricket is guys like you who live in the fish bowl of your grade club and dont look at the bigger picture.
Maybe its just a SA footy forum thing and its not representative of how clubs see things but i doubt it very much.
With the new Super league you will all become just feeder clubs so its fantastic for SA cricket.

I can assure you that BF is well credentialed to talk about state cricket representation and our club most definately has a state cricketer production focus. The point that is being missed is that Grade clubs can only do so much, they can only provide what they can within limited funds. The club volunteers work tirelessly (well I know they do at TTG) to produce the best possible facilities and the club to provided the best possible coaching staff. What needs to improve is the emerging redbacks program and futures league (which really should be a 2nd 11 again) - this is where the real development for the 1% of cricketers who are good enough to play state cricket (both skill, determination and want) will occur. This is no disrespect to grade coaches who work tirelessly on improving the players however SACA have the funds, high performance coaches and one on one time with the players.

BF must have come from another club because i can not recall Tea Tree Gully ever producing a decent state cricketer.
It seems your club in the past hasn't been that focused on producing state cricketers. I think Trav Head will by far be the best prospect to come from your club (Even though i believe he comes from the Northern Districts Zone)

What a baffling, idiotic post…. yet not surprising coming from you! Total lack of respect and shows how little you know about TTG and the grade comp and other clubs – very narrow minded and obviously anti Grade Cricket
Not that TTGDCC needs to justify itself with 2 current state contracted players (1 Aus U19 and 1 leading one day wicket taker from last season) and one probably going to play if he has a good pre season. Also 15+ players asked to trial for the junior state squads (note: these were not nominated by the club which has blown numbers out but were selected by SACA). In previous years we have had many players around 2nd 11 squads and the odd state appearance with the likes of Chillingworth, Wright, Weaver, Thomas, Borlace, Cameron to name a few. Very few make the grade and play state cricket, so I don’t see how you can justify you comment that we haven’t been focused on producing state cricketers? Any evidence to back up your nonsensical post?

AS for Trav I believe was overlooked by ND in their Jnr set up? Not 100% sure on that, and just because he comes from Gawler means feck all! We have a fair few from Gawler who have chosen to play at the bull ring! So don’t see you point once again[/quote]

FS don't get sucked into DOOL's drool. He knows nothing of the club and certainly not enough to even make comment.

[Bulls forever]

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I wouldnt assume anything about me, i was at the most successful club of the time yet we still understood our place in producing state cricketers. The whole problm with SA cricket is guys like you who live in the fish bowl of your grade club and dont look at the bigger picture.
Maybe its just a SA footy forum thing and its not representative of how clubs see things but i doubt it very much.
With the new Super league you will all become just feeder clubs so its fantastic for SA cricket.

I can assure you that BF is well credentialed to talk about state cricket representation and our club most definately has a state cricketer production focus. The point that is being missed is that Grade clubs can only do so much, they can only provide what they can within limited funds. The club volunteers work tirelessly (well I know they do at TTG) to produce the best possible facilities and the club to provided the best possible coaching staff. What needs to improve is the emerging redbacks program and futures league (which really should be a 2nd 11 again) - this is where the real development for the 1% of cricketers who are good enough to play state cricket (both skill, determination and want) will occur. This is no disrespect to grade coaches who work tirelessly on improving the players however SACA have the funds, high performance coaches and one on one time with the players.

BF must have come from another club because i can not recall Tea Tree Gully ever producing a decent state cricketer.
It seems your club in the past hasn't been that focused on producing state cricketers. I think Trav Head will by far be the best prospect to come from your club (Even though i believe he comes from the Northern Districts Zone)[/quote]

I know you are baiting me DOOL, but here we go, Martin Faull, Kelby Pickering, Damien Reeves, Gary Chillingworth, Peter McIntyre (Vic import - but played Test Cricket whilst playing for his only Grade club in SA - yes TTG), Ben Cameron, Greg Blewett lived in TTG zone whilst playing State & Test Cricket - you bought that into the argument as stupid as it is. There are others, but you don't deserve the time for me to name them all. Oh and guess what DOOL, there are currently 7 locals with full training rights at Redbacks, TTG have 3 of them, last season we put out teams that won 2 premierships - yes the minor ones I know and in each team there were 10, yes 10 TTG juniors in those teams and the 11th player was a import from, yes you guess it ND. I don't think there is a Grade Club with that many local players in their A Grade, so DOOL, research, facts correct, then come back to us with your knowledge.

[Bulls forever]

BF must have come from another club because i can not recall Tea Tree Gully ever producing a decent state cricketer.
It seems your club in the past hasn't been that focused on producing state cricketers. I think Trav Head will by far be the best prospect to come from your club (Even though i believe he comes from the Northern Districts Zone)

Also went very close to losing him also......

H31, incorrect, do not believe everything Sean Watt tells you, Trav bleeds Maroon and Gold, always has, always will.