SAAFL cracking down on violence

[valleys07]

Didn't say he was the machette bandit, but maybe the provocer who got chased with a machette....Also seen him trip a C grade club umpire over a few years back whilst playing for IF, very lucky the umpire let it go , maybe if he didn't we would not be here today.

Ah now i know who your talking about OF. Saw his FB rant and wondered what that was about!

[old farmer]

Didn't say he was the machette bandit, but maybe the provocer who got chased with a machette....Also seen him trip a C grade club umpire over a few years back whilst playing for IF, very lucky the umpire let it go , maybe if he didn't we would not be here today.

Ah now i know who your talking about OF. Saw his FB rant and wondered what that was about!

So did i. Then it all made sense this morning.

[big-whopper]

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/sout ... 6424654899


Apparently the Tribunal for the league will be held next wed night. talking 10-12 weeks as 12 weeks means no more football in australia for this lad

[Footy Follower]

Didn't say he was the machette bandit, but maybe the provocer who got chased with a machette....Also seen him trip a C grade club umpire over a few years back whilst playing for IF, very lucky the umpire let it go , maybe if he didn't we would not be here today.

Ah now i know who your talking about OF. Saw his FB rant and wondered what that was about!

So did i. Then it all made sense this morning.

So what is the players name?

[On The Chest]

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/king-hit-player-banned-for-life/story-e6frea83-1226424654899


Apparently the Tribunal for the league will be held next wed night. talking 10-12 weeks as 12 weeks means no more football in australia for this lad

Thats simple then. Make it 13 just to make sure. Don't need them in the game. Goodbye

[Jetters]

Clubs' reactions to violence is pissing me off.

An incident happens and clubs act all tough and try to remove themselves from the player and incident. Ingle Farm bring in security etc, Gepps ban a player .... Obviously this is very much preferable to doing nothing, but it seems it is more about clubs saving face than to rule out violence.

If clubs really wanted to stamp this shit out they would be taking anticipatory preventative measures. I can guarantee with just about complete certainty that NO clubs have removed a player from their club with a history of poor behaviour since the SAAFLs 'crack down on violence' in anticipation of doing something stupid that will put another players health and safety in jepordy.

This Gepps guy (according to previous posts) is a known hero, Ingle Farm had a bloke willing to bring out a knife at a footy game (and he didn't even initiate the problem!). Surely these people doing something stupid has not blown anyones mind. It would be a bloody rare occurance that someone without any history snaps one day and king hits some one, it is unfortunate when a club is put in this position.

BUT WHICH CLUBS HAVE TAKEN STEPS TO PREVENT AN INCIDENT BEFORE IT OCCURS!? I bet none.

[Phantom Gossiper]

Jetters from your post it seems you have lived a very sheltered life or have never been in a position to deal with such circumstances whether in sport or life in general.

Clubs most definately act tough and remove themselves from the person creating the trouble, what do you expect?!?

Preventative measures - some incidents can not be prevented, you cant control what clicks in a persons head, all you can do is try to measures in place to minimise the risk of incidents occuring. Hiring security, creating dry zones, handing out life bans, creating code of conduct policies are examples of these. Unfortunately it some times takes an incident to occur to identify a risk or hazard.

The bloke from Gepps Cross is a very talented sportsman and its a shame this has happened.

The bloke from the farm with the knife - he didn't bring the knife, he grabbed it off the barbie when attacked by the guy with bottles, so get your facts right.. but even if he had brought a knife, how do you expect a club to know and prevnt this??

Unfortunately clubs will continue to appear reactive on these issues because you can't predict the future.

Easy for you to get on here and join the chorus of people pointing out flaws and spotting the obvious, how about you come up with actual suggestions or strategic plans on how to rectify the problems instead of being so broad and generic with your comments..

[Phantom Gossiper]

How do you stop people commiting crimes in society?
How do you stop people getting in fights in nightclubs?
How long is a piece of string?

You think the government isn't being proactive enough with these issues in society too? I mean they still take place..

[Jetters]

Jetters from your post it seems you have lived a very sheltered life or have never been in a position to deal with such circumstances whether in sport or life in general.

Clubs most definately act tough and remove themselves from the person creating the trouble, what do you expect?!?

Preventative measures - some incidents can not be prevented, you cant control what clicks in a persons head, all you can do is try to measures in place to minimise the risk of incidents occuring. Hiring security, creating dry zones, handing out life bans, creating code of conduct policies are examples of these. Unfortunately it some times takes an incident to occur to identify a risk or hazard.

The bloke from Gepps Cross is a very talented sportsman and its a shame this has happened.

The bloke from the farm with the knife - he didn't bring the knife, he grabbed it off the barbie when attacked by the guy with bottles, so get your facts right.. but even if he had brought a knife, how do you expect a club to know and prevnt this??

Unfortunately clubs will continue to appear reactive on these issues because you can't predict the future.

Easy for you to get on here and join the chorus of people pointing out flaws and spotting the obvious, how about you come up with actual suggestions or strategic plans on how to rectify the problems instead of being so broad and generic with your comments..

Solution... if you know you have rogues at your club remove them or impose some of the measures you suggested before serious issues take place.

At Ingle Farm, could the incident earliar this year been prevented or at least minimised by doing some of the things you suggested earlier? Or was it completely unforeseeable?

And sorry, he grabbed the knife off the barbie when he attacked the guy with the bottles... to defend the guy that kicked someone was it? Surely you had some sort of sneaky suspicion that these guys may not have been club role models.

However, if it was completely out of the blue then I agree it may be out of your control

[Yank Man]

How do you stop people commiting crimes in society?
How do you stop people getting in fights in nightclubs?
How long is a piece of string?

You think the government isn't being proactive enough with these issues in society too? I mean they still take place..

And unfortunalely PG it still happens in footy clubs. Personally I think if your coaches are street savvy, as I reckon most are, then act if you suspect. There probably isn't an easy solution but, if you smell shit then there is a good chance it's gonna be shit. MP has had a bit of a rep in recent years and frankly 4 troublemakers in my 2 year tenure have been put in front of the committee and banned for life, not only because we smelt that shit but we knew where it might end up. Not sayin' MP are Gods, but me personally, I much prefer a great footy challenge and a loss versus some of the stuff we see on the field, win lose or draw. Good post champ.

[Jimmy_041]

Jetters - sorry but I have to take you to task
The League is talking to many clubs about exactly what you are talking about, and the clubs are taking measures to manage their risk.
There are many on here, who are on their football committee, who would know the new Football Operations Manager, has met, or is meeting, with their committees to talk about what the League expects from them.
There is no silver bullet to fix this problem.
It is a all of a short, medium and long term approach to a long term problem.
And just because the League doesn't publicise on here what they are doing, doesn't mean they are doing nothing.
I will add, it's not all about talking with clubs either. The League have made some fundamental changes to its own operations as well.
Some of the biggest penalties have been handed out this year, and the good thing is, most clubs have rung the League to support their tough stance on certain acts, and they are using this stance to address their own problems, before they happen.

Nobody wants to be king hit or have their son's jaw broken.

There are clubs in the League, who have a fearsome reputation, but are now in the lowest quartile of reports. They have strong committees and coaches who have stamped down on the violence in their clubs, and are reaping the rewards on the field. These clubs are helping the League by advising on how they now manage their risk.

[aussi rulz]

Clubs' reactions to violence is pissing me off.

An incident happens and clubs act all tough and try to remove themselves from the player and incident. Ingle Farm bring in security etc, Gepps ban a player .... Obviously this is very much preferable to doing nothing, but it seems it is more about clubs saving face than to rule out violence.

If clubs really wanted to stamp this shit out they would be taking anticipatory preventative measures. I can guarantee with just about complete certainty that NO clubs have removed a player from their club with a history of poor behaviour since the SAAFLs 'crack down on violence' in anticipation of doing something stupid that will put another players health and safety in jepordy.

This Gepps guy (according to previous posts) is a known hero, Ingle Farm had a bloke willing to bring out a knife at a footy game (and he didn't even initiate the problem!). Surely these people doing something stupid has not blown anyones mind. It would be a bloody rare occurance that someone without any history snaps one day and king hits some one, it is unfortunate when a club is put in this position.

BUT WHICH CLUBS HAVE TAKEN STEPS TO PREVENT AN INCIDENT BEFORE IT OCCURS!? I bet none.

What has your club done?

[Phantom Gossiper]

Jetters, what you suggest is easier said than done.

A clubs primary purpose is to provide a service and the infrastructure to those in tje community to play football, you can't then ban a player unless they over step the line and you can't openly single them out based on a gut feeling that they are a bad egg. All you can do is have processes in place to deal with situations and circumstances should they arise.

With Ingle Farm we are in a tough transition phase - no one likes change in any facet of life - but this us very foreign and new to the members, it will take time and perseverance to get used to.

The hardest part for us is the fact there is no doubt some players who dont agree with what we are doing - whether lack of understanding or ignorance - however the issue is, they haven't done anything wrong, and they are older players at the end of their careers. It would be easy to say get rid of them, but these players whether they like it or not are very influential on the younger players, they all look up to them. Therefore poses the question:

Get rid of them and risk them then spreading negative opinions and thoughts around the club, impacting the younger players who then may turn on the club..

Or

Try to get these players onside to have a positive impact, ease these players through the twilight of their playing careers, keeping them happy whilst still installing the structure and foundation for the future, so when time comes shortly they retire and we.are left with young kids moulded the way we want and need

[Half Back Flanker]

Jetters, what you suggest is easier said than done.

A clubs primary purpose is to provide a service and the infrastructure to those in tje community to play football, you can't then ban a player unless they over step the line and you can't openly single them out based on a gut feeling that they are a bad egg. All you can do is have processes in place to deal with situations and circumstances should they arise.

With Ingle Farm we are in a tough transition phase - no one likes change in any facet of life - but this us very foreign and new to the members, it will take time and perseverance to get used to.

The hardest part for us is the fact there is no doubt some players who dont agree with what we are doing - whether lack of understanding or ignorance - however the issue is, they haven't done anything wrong, and they are older players at the end of their careers. It would be easy to say get rid of them, but these players whether they like it or not are very influential on the younger players, they all look up to them. Therefore poses the question:

Get rid of them and risk them then spreading negative opinions and thoughts around the club, impacting the younger players who then may turn on the club..

Or

Try to get these players onside to have a positive impact, ease these players through the twilight of their playing careers, keeping them happy whilst still installing the structure and foundation for the future, so when time comes shortly they retire and we.are left with young kids moulded the way we want and need

Well said PG

[Hefty]

Jetters from your post it seems you have lived a very sheltered life or have never been in a position to deal with such circumstances whether in sport or life in general.

Clubs most definately act tough and remove themselves from the person creating the trouble, what do you expect?!?

Preventative measures - some incidents can not be prevented, you cant control what clicks in a persons head, all you can do is try to measures in place to minimise the risk of incidents occuring. Hiring security, creating dry zones, handing out life bans, creating code of conduct policies are examples of these. Unfortunately it some times takes an incident to occur to identify a risk or hazard.

The bloke from Gepps Cross is a very talented sportsman and its a shame this has happened.

The bloke from the farm with the knife - he didn't bring the knife, he grabbed it off the barbie when attacked by the guy with bottles, so get your facts right.. but even if he had brought a knife, how do you expect a club to know and prevnt this??

Unfortunately clubs will continue to appear reactive on these issues because you can't predict the future.

Easy for you to get on here and join the chorus of people pointing out flaws and spotting the obvious, how about you come up with actual suggestions or strategic plans on how to rectify the problems instead of being so broad and generic with your comments..

Solution... if you know you have rogues at your club remove them or impose some of the measures you suggested before serious issues take place.

At Ingle Farm, could the incident earliar this year been prevented or at least minimised by doing some of the things you suggested earlier? Or was it completely unforeseeable?

And sorry, he grabbed the knife off the barbie when he attacked the guy with the bottles... to defend the guy that kicked someone was it? Surely you had some sort of sneaky suspicion that these guys may not have been club role models.

However, if it was completely out of the blue then I agree it may be out of your control

Jetters it's like saying if you know your club umpire is a blatant cheat you remove them or impose measures before serious issues take place.

[NO-MERCY]

Well said Hefty.

[Caramels]

There are many talented individuals in all walks of life, but self control is in everyone. If you aren't able to control your own emotions, sporting clubs shouldn't be expected to become the 'bunny' where an individual can cut loose at any time and create pain and anguish that clubs have to then spend years trying to rebuild reputations.
Unfortunately some clubs do it better than others, but don't tarnish a club just because one slips 'under the radar'. Next thing everyone will be carrying their own dossier on past misdemeanour's and I'm not sure that's what we need.
Throw enough mud, you'll find some of it will stick, and that happens at every club, not just a select few.

[woodublieve12]

Jetters from your post it seems you have lived a very sheltered life or have never been in a position to deal with such circumstances whether in sport or life in general.

Clubs most definately act tough and remove themselves from the person creating the trouble, what do you expect?!?

Preventative measures - some incidents can not be prevented, you cant control what clicks in a persons head, all you can do is try to measures in place to minimise the risk of incidents occuring. Hiring security, creating dry zones, handing out life bans, creating code of conduct policies are examples of these. Unfortunately it some times takes an incident to occur to identify a risk or hazard.

The bloke from Gepps Cross is a very talented sportsman and its a shame this has happened.

The bloke from the farm with the knife - he didn't bring the knife, he grabbed it off the barbie when attacked by the guy with bottles, so get your facts right.. but even if he had brought a knife, how do you expect a club to know and prevnt this??

Unfortunately clubs will continue to appear reactive on these issues because you can't predict the future.

Easy for you to get on here and join the chorus of people pointing out flaws and spotting the obvious, how about you come up with actual suggestions or strategic plans on how to rectify the problems instead of being so broad and generic with your comments..

Solution... if you know you have rogues at your club remove them or impose some of the measures you suggested before serious issues take place.

At Ingle Farm, could the incident earliar this year been prevented or at least minimised by doing some of the things you suggested earlier? Or was it completely unforeseeable?

And sorry, he grabbed the knife off the barbie when he attacked the guy with the bottles... to defend the guy that kicked someone was it? Surely you had some sort of sneaky suspicion that these guys may not have been club role models.

However, if it was completely out of the blue then I agree it may be out of your control

Jetters it's like saying if you know your club umpire is a blatant cheat you remove them or impose measures before serious issues take place.

well said

[old farmer]

He has been removed going on what was said on the div 4 page

[Choccies]

Hefty - well said.