Doom and Gloom. Talk of a Recession.

[Psyber]

How much is the current natural cycle due for a peak now, and how much is the human contribution on top of that?

The CSIRO and Bureau of Meteorology, who I'd say know more about climate and climate change than us lot, say that: "Rising CO2 emissions from the burning of fossil fuels has affected global temperature much more than natural climate variability during the past century". They go into more detail in their recent State of the Climate 2012 report.

I did say this in that post: "Personally, having researched it for myself, I accept there is a human component of significance on top of the current natural peak."
I was trying to not set you off again but I guess you went off before you got that far...

How much difference will a Carbon price make towards actually reducing the effect?

As I understand it the price on carbon is intended to reduce our carbon dioxide emissions not solve the global warming problem.

I know that is the intention, but the legislation does not support financing or forcing any change in technology, and can be ignored by just trading credits.
So, I can't see it being effective in lowering "our carbon monoxide emissions", let alone the world's.
As I've said before the Greens' policy, and the Democrats', is better here.

Don't bother Fish, Psyber is just regurgitating Andrew Bolt's line. The sad part is he's old enough to know better.

1. I never read Andrew Bolt, and I do know better than what you both thought I said.
2. You both need to brush up your reading comprehension skills, and not misread what anyone says thorough your assumptions about them.

[scoob]

My company is in the midst of getting rid of thousands of workers by forcing them to take redundancies. First time its happened on this scale in the 24 years Ive been here. I must be valued as I wasnt one of them but the ex missus was!

No you are wrong Wedgie - the May figures say so! Please remember that there is no doom and gloom - its all a media beat up! Get it!

[kickinit]

How much difference will a Carbon price make towards actually reducing the effect?

As I understand it the price on carbon is intended to reduce our carbon dioxide emissions not solve the global warming problem.

yep and now all business will either raise there prices or go out of business, or if where lucky they will wear the cost and take less of a profit. And in the mean time we will tax the mines because they make money, even though they stopped us from going into a real recession. We also put fear into mining companies from thinking about projects in Aust, meaning we miss out on possible jobs and money for the country. And the ones that are interested and willing to put money into this country have to put up with dole bums that are stoping mines from running 100%, and also stopping hard working aussie being able to work. And where does all this money go from the mines and the carbon tax straight to a new pay rise for Gillard. If anyone votes for her in the next election they should be put on a boat with all our illegal immigrants.

Memetic dribble.

The threat of the RSPT and the eventual watered-down mining tax had no effect on mining investment and expansion. Twiggy and Gina had the public/politicians wrapped around their little finger.

Had no effect yeh it's had effect and in a big way. Especially over WA a lot of mines have scaled back production and a lot of expansion talks have stopped as it's not worth it to them anymore.

[Q.]

My company is in the midst of getting rid of thousands of workers by forcing them to take redundancies. First time its happened on this scale in the 24 years Ive been here. I must be valued as I wasnt one of them but the ex missus was!

No you are wrong Wedgie - the May figures say so! Please remember that there is no doom and gloom - its all a media beat up! Get it!

The plural of anecdote is not data.

[Q.]

yep and now all business will either raise there prices or go out of business, or if where lucky they will wear the cost and take less of a profit. And in the mean time we will tax the mines because they make money, even though they stopped us from going into a real recession. We also put fear into mining companies from thinking about projects in Aust, meaning we miss out on possible jobs and money for the country. And the ones that are interested and willing to put money into this country have to put up with dole bums that are stoping mines from running 100%, and also stopping hard working aussie being able to work. And where does all this money go from the mines and the carbon tax straight to a new pay rise for Gillard. If anyone votes for her in the next election they should be put on a boat with all our illegal immigrants.

Memetic dribble.

The threat of the RSPT and the eventual watered-down mining tax had no effect on mining investment and expansion. Twiggy and Gina had the public/politicians wrapped around their little finger.

Had no effect yeh it's had effect and in a big way. Especially over WA a lot of mines have scaled back production and a lot of expansion talks have stopped as it's not worth it to them anymore.

There is no evidence to suggest this. In fact, there is a labor shortage in WA mining, hence the call to import foreign workers to keep up with the demand.

And SA will soon have the largest open cut mine in the world.

The mining industry is fine and the sooner we stop pandering to these multi-billionares, the sooner the country can fully economically capitalise on the the resources.

[scoob]

My company is in the midst of getting rid of thousands of workers by forcing them to take redundancies. First time its happened on this scale in the 24 years Ive been here. I must be valued as I wasnt one of them but the ex missus was!

No you are wrong Wedgie - the May figures say so! Please remember that there is no doom and gloom - its all a media beat up! Get it!

The plural of anecdote is not data.

and one pseudo intelligent comment doesn't make you correct.

[Q.]

My company is in the midst of getting rid of thousands of workers by forcing them to take redundancies. First time its happened on this scale in the 24 years Ive been here. I must be valued as I wasnt one of them but the ex missus was!

No you are wrong Wedgie - the May figures say so! Please remember that there is no doom and gloom - its all a media beat up! Get it!

The plural of anecdote is not data.

and one pseudo intelligent comment doesn't make you correct.

My mistake, anecdotes are data now

[scoob]

I'm sure your data is comforting for those people who are really losing their jobs.

Maybe that could form part of their redundancies, some good data for them to take home.

speaking of data do you have any data on the manufacturing and construction industries

[Q.]

It's not meant to be comforting. Redundancies aren't a new thing.

The ABS should have a heap of info on manufacturing and construction.

[overloaded]

The mining industry might not be slowing down but investment decisions on major projects are being delayed. This is all being caused by bullshit decisions made by an incompetent government causing uncertainty, as well as a shortsighted union movement. Australia is getting a stigma as a low productivity high cost nation.

Whilst we are not seeing the effects right now, we will in 12 to 18 months time. It will cost jobs, economic growth and result in a recession.

[Q.]

The 'recession' card. The same recession card that was being pulled in 2009. Whatever happened to that recession?

The March quarterly figures were the best quarterly growth figures since Labor got into government. Our annual growth pace of 4.3% compares to USA's 1.9% (dropped 0.9% in first quarter of this year). Our productivity is rising, while America and Europe's is falling.

There is no substance to the declining productivity statements and Australia is one of the last countries at threat of a recession.

[overloaded]

Read my post again you idiot. I said the effects will be prevalent in 12 to 18 months.

[Q.]

Nothing happening in Australia at the moment points to a recession occurring in 12-18 months. The abuse adds a refreshing touch to the exaggerations though.

[overloaded]

Open your eyes troll

[Q.]

You build a strong argument, I'll be sure to take your advice on board.

[wycbloods]

You build a strong argument, I'll be sure to take your advice on board.

LIKE

[overloaded]

Nothing happening in Australia at the moment points to a recession occurring in 12-18 months.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/sout ... 6432223948

[Q.]

Nothing happening in Australia at the moment points to a recession occurring in 12-18 months.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/sout ... 6432223948

Irrefutable evidence of the impending recession.

[overloaded]

you really do hate being wrong dont you

[Q.]

Happy to be proved wrong. A delay to Olympic Dam expansion is not evidence of an impending recession.