SAAFL Division 6 & D6R (2012)

[Jetters]

agree totally with phantom
just to let the lads know how they look at the game
its no major point but as a coach i would believe that evry little point you could gain would be an advantage
and also the fact i work with a couple of umpires and they have told me in the past that at training they have been told to target certain things and actions
honestly believe if you and your team show common courtesy and respect to the umpires and talk and listen to them you will all benifit

Nah bad idea.

Umpires should introduce themselves and build rapport with the coaches pre game, but thats it.

The rules are the rules, not for you to decide 'how you will umpire', the ump may as well hand over the rule book to the coaches pre-game and say this is how I'm going to umpire.

It also just sets the umpire up for failure.

[Easy Miss]

Went out to watch my beloved Woody Sth boyz play CLG in both A's & B's. Its a pity our B's went down by 3pts but the game should never have got that close. Woody Sth up all day until 1min left when CLG snatched the lead. BUT FOR SOME REASON TRUE OR NOT, the final siren blew 45sec too early when the ball was to be thrown in in WS forward 50, right near the behind post. Some confusion and even the umpire agreed it was blown too early!!!
The umpire was going to make an official report about the incident.
The umpiring for that game was average, both umpires made woeful decisions, but i did think that CLG umpire was the worse of the 2!
So that now leaves CLG clear at the top with WS sitting 2nd.
Now onto the A grade, well umpired for most, couple little woeful decisions but you get that. WS lead for most if not all of the day and would get themselves into a comfy lead (5-6 goals) but CLG would always chip away and fight back to within a few points. WS couldnt seem to put CLG away. Cliffford was OUTSTANDING today kicking 8, he gave the CLG DEFENSE A BATH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The fullback couldnt compete with bomber in the air. Stubby was also very good kicking 5. Harding was good across half back today for WS.

yeah gr8 coverage of the the game you knob - the CLG b's were down by 6 goals and slowly pegged back the lead and hit the front with 2 minutes to go. Woody sth team of old men fell in a hole and didnt deserve to win in the end - the behaviour of your umpire was a disgrace - lose with some dignity!! The A's was a cracking game and probably the better team didnt win in the end - bad kicking is bad footy - ask bomber who the best team they have played this year and he will say CLG!

Lose with some dignity......

agreed, same bloke arked up a few weeks ago when they lost also I reckon.

[ray borner]

agree totally with phantom
just to let the lads know how they look at the game
its no major point but as a coach i would believe that evry little point you could gain would be an advantage
and also the fact i work with a couple of umpires and they have told me in the past that at training they have been told to target certain things and actions
honestly believe if you and your team show common courtesy and respect to the umpires and talk and listen to them you will all benifit

Nah bad idea.

Umpires should introduce themselves and build rapport with the coaches pre game, but thats it.

The rules are the rules, not for you to decide 'how you will umpire', the ump may as well hand over the rule book to the coaches pre-game and say this is how I'm going to umpire.

It also just sets the umpire up for failure.

You should tell this to your B grade umpire!

[zedman]

agree totally with phantom
just to let the lads know how they look at the game
its no major point but as a coach i would believe that evry little point you could gain would be an advantage
and also the fact i work with a couple of umpires and they have told me in the past that at training they have been told to target certain things and actions
honestly believe if you and your team show common courtesy and respect to the umpires and talk and listen to them you will all benifit

Nah bad idea.

Umpires should introduce themselves and build rapport with the coaches pre game, but thats it.

The rules are the rules, not for you to decide 'how you will umpire', the ump may as well hand over the rule book to the coaches pre-game and say this is how I'm going to umpire.

It also just sets the umpire up for failure.

You should tell this to your B grade umpire!

well said..pot meet kettle..

[zedman]

Went out to watch my beloved Woody Sth boyz play CLG in both A's & B's. Its a pity our B's went down by 3pts but the game should never have got that close. Woody Sth up all day until 1min left when CLG snatched the lead. BUT FOR SOME REASON TRUE OR NOT, the final siren blew 45sec too early when the ball was to be thrown in in WS forward 50, right near the behind post. Some confusion and even the umpire agreed it was blown too early!!!
The umpire was going to make an official report about the incident.
The umpiring for that game was average, both umpires made woeful decisions, but i did think that CLG umpire was the worse of the 2!
So that now leaves CLG clear at the top with WS sitting 2nd.
Now onto the A grade, well umpired for most, couple little woeful decisions but you get that. WS lead for most if not all of the day and would get themselves into a comfy lead (5-6 goals) but CLG would always chip away and fight back to within a few points. WS couldnt seem to put CLG away. Cliffford was OUTSTANDING today kicking 8, he gave the CLG DEFENSE A BATH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The fullback couldnt compete with bomber in the air. Stubby was also very good kicking 5. Harding was good across half back today for WS.

yeah gr8 coverage of the the game you knob - the CLG b's were down by 6 goals and slowly pegged back the lead and hit the front with 2 minutes to go. Woody sth team of old men fell in a hole and didnt deserve to win in the end - the behaviour of your umpire was a disgrace - lose with some dignity!! The A's was a cracking game and probably the better team didnt win in the end - bad kicking is bad footy - ask bomber who the best team they have played this year and he will say CLG!

Lose with some dignity......

agreed, same bloke arked up a few weeks ago when they lost also I reckon.

you reckon wrong i think..

[Jimmy_041]

I agree with you Deeman
One problem with umpires giving the pre-match talk - it just gives the players something else to moan about
But you said blah, blah blah.......
I was at a GSFL game on Saturday and yelled out during the B Grade "why dont you blokes try playing footy instead of trying to umpire"

I cant understand how our game struggles to get umpires when there are 5,000 of them on the field every Saturday

sigh of relief to all SAAFL clubs knowing you didn't attend any of their games on the weekend
Reports should be a bit lower this week

4 up in the GSFL though

[Easy Miss]

you reckon wrong..sorry..

Are you sure?

A big thanks to Mawson Lakes who supplied the most unproffesional offcials today. Firstly a young lad umpiring the boundary was reduced to tears after the game cause he couldnt throw the ball in - it got recalled at least 25 times. he was less than 4 feet tall and must be under the official age and grown men were standing by doing sweet FA except trying to justify it - pathetic! Secondly the goal umpire chose to wear the ML colors (instead of officials colors and not to mention his constant abuse of our forwards) and when the lions were storming home awarded a point touched when it was at least a foot over the line! i know its div 6 but if you put your hand up to do a job - do it properly with some integrity!

[old farmer]

you reckon wrong..sorry..

Are you sure?

A big thanks to Mawson Lakes who supplied the most unproffesional offcials today. Firstly a young lad umpiring the boundary was reduced to tears after the game cause he couldnt throw the ball in - it got recalled at least 25 times. he was less than 4 feet tall and must be under the official age and grown men were standing by doing sweet FA except trying to justify it - pathetic! Secondly the goal umpire chose to wear the ML colors (instead of officials colors and not to mention his constant abuse of our forwards) and when the lions were storming home awarded a point touched when it was at least a foot over the line! i know its div 6 but if you put your hand up to do a job - do it properly with some integrity!

[zedman]

you reckon wrong..sorry..

Are you sure?

A big thanks to Mawson Lakes who supplied the most unproffesional offcials today. Firstly a young lad umpiring the boundary was reduced to tears after the game cause he couldnt throw the ball in - it got recalled at least 25 times. he was less than 4 feet tall and must be under the official age and grown men were standing by doing sweet FA except trying to justify it - pathetic! Secondly the goal umpire chose to wear the ML colors (instead of officials colors and not to mention his constant abuse of our forwards) and when the lions were storming home awarded a point touched when it was at least a foot over the line! i know its div 6 but if you put your hand up to do a job - do it properly with some integrity!

thats about 2 months ago and has nothing to do with who played better..dont hate..just debate..whos your team easy miss?..i am curious now!

[Easy Miss]

you reckon wrong..sorry..

Are you sure?

A big thanks to Mawson Lakes who supplied the most unproffesional offcials today. Firstly a young lad umpiring the boundary was reduced to tears after the game cause he couldnt throw the ball in - it got recalled at least 25 times. he was less than 4 feet tall and must be under the official age and grown men were standing by doing sweet FA except trying to justify it - pathetic! Secondly the goal umpire chose to wear the ML colors (instead of officials colors and not to mention his constant abuse of our forwards) and when the lions were storming home awarded a point touched when it was at least a foot over the line! i know its div 6 but if you put your hand up to do a job - do it properly with some integrity!

thats about 2 months ago and has nothing to do with who played better..dont hate..just debate..whos your team easy miss?..i am curious now!

Didn't say it did all I said was the same bloke arked up when you lost last time
I'm no aligned to any saafl club mate love my SANFL too much just like browsing through all the threads

[zedman]

2 months between ark ups is acceptable isnt it? it is a forum for opinion and comment but you have a great memory to remember it for that long!

[Phantom Gossiper]

Nah bad idea.

Umpires should introduce themselves and build rapport with the coaches pre game, but thats it.

The rules are the rules, not for you to decide 'how you will umpire', the ump may as well hand over the rule book to the coaches pre-game and say this is how I'm going to umpire.

It also just sets the umpire up for failure.

It's not about deciding HOW to umpire, and yes the rules are the rules, it's about raising awareness to coaches and players alike that you will be taking a stronger stance & be more vigilant on aspects of the game that may have been of concern in recent weeks like umpire abuse or sling tackles or something like that.

[zedman]

Nah bad idea.

Umpires should introduce themselves and build rapport with the coaches pre game, but thats it.

The rules are the rules, not for you to decide 'how you will umpire', the ump may as well hand over the rule book to the coaches pre-game and say this is how I'm going to umpire.

It also just sets the umpire up for failure.

It's not about deciding HOW to umpire, and yes the rules are the rules, it's about raising awareness to coaches and players alike that you will be taking a stronger stance & be more vigilant on aspects of the game that may have been of concern in recent weeks like umpire abuse or sling tackles or something like that.

best umpires we have had this year(and i said it at the time) told us exactly how they would interpret rules before the game and thats what they did and it was a pleasure to have them..nothing wrong with increasing communication between umpires and players and the way they see the rules as everyone is different for interpretations no matter if the rule is black and white..

[Easy Miss]

2 months between ark ups is acceptable isnt it? it is a forum for opinion and comment but you have a great memory to remember it for that long!

You don't read very well do you? I told you I read all the threads regularly and this bloozebrother bloke continually writes rubbish (trust me he aint the only one, you should read some of the stuff in the other divs) so he sticks out like a sore thumb. Why so defensive at what I write? Don't hate Zedman, debate

[zedman]

2 months between ark ups is acceptable isnt it? it is a forum for opinion and comment but you have a great memory to remember it for that long!

You don't read very well do you? I told you I read all the threads regularly and this bloozebrother bloke continually writes rubbish (trust me he aint the only one, you should read some of the stuff in the other divs) so he sticks out like a sore thumb. Why so defensive at what I write? Don't hate Zedman, debate

you posted i replied..not defensive..its discussing..its debating..so you post and you get replies..thats what debating is..why are you so sensitive at a reply? where was any hate..i dont see it?

[Gatt_Weasel]

2 months between ark ups is acceptable isnt it? it is a forum for opinion and comment but you have a great memory to remember it for that long!

You don't read very well do you? I told you I read all the threads regularly and this bloozebrother bloke continually writes rubbish (trust me he aint the only one, you should read some of the stuff in the other divs) so he sticks out like a sore thumb. Why so defensive at what I write? Don't hate Zedman, debate

you posted i replied..not defensive..its discussing..its debating..so you post and you get replies..thats what debating is..why are you so sensitive at a reply? where was any hate..i dont see it?

unless you actually have umpired a game shouldnt throw stones the coach and runner etc see things from side line and cant see what the umpire can see and vise versa yet people are quick to moan...maybe some people here should take up being an umpire and try and make a difference

[Jetters]

Nah bad idea.

Umpires should introduce themselves and build rapport with the coaches pre game, but thats it.

The rules are the rules, not for you to decide 'how you will umpire', the ump may as well hand over the rule book to the coaches pre-game and say this is how I'm going to umpire.

It also just sets the umpire up for failure.

It's not about deciding HOW to umpire, and yes the rules are the rules, it's about raising awareness to coaches and players alike that you will be taking a stronger stance & be more vigilant on aspects of the game that may have been of concern in recent weeks like umpire abuse or sling tackles or something like that.

best umpires we have had this year(and i said it at the time) told us exactly how they would interpret rules before the game and thats what they did and it was a pleasure to have them..nothing wrong with increasing communication between umpires and players and the way they see the rules as everyone is different for interpretations no matter if the rule is black and white..

Just my opninion I guess, but I would never encourage an umpire to do it.

Interesting question about interpretation. Are the rules subjective or objective?

In reality there obviously is a subjective aspect to the 'interpretation' of rules? However, I would argue that it is not open for interpretation. The AFL releases a DVD each year that demonstrates exactly how rules should be 'interpreted'. It is very clear what decision should be made in a certain situation, there is next to no room for an umpire to make a judgement on a situation. Good umpiring involves having an excellent knowledge of the rules, the physical capacity and skill to best position yourself to view an act and having the composure and confidence to execute that knowledge under the pressure of a game.

IMO good umpiring should look like you are 'going through the motions' and the better the umpire the more they would argue that umpiring is objective.

I can see why people would disagree with this, as the argument is that this lacks a feel for the game. I know when umpiring I do not feel I am being subjective.

[Phantom Gossiper]

Good umpiring involves having an excellent knowledge of the rules, the physical capacity and skill to best position yourself to view an act and having the composure and confidence to execute that knowledge under the pressure of a game.

Here in lies the problem with umpires at Div 6 level.

Ooh and I have that DVD its got games on it!!

[Yank Man]

Nah bad idea.

Umpires should introduce themselves and build rapport with the coaches pre game, but thats it.

The rules are the rules, not for you to decide 'how you will umpire', the ump may as well hand over the rule book to the coaches pre-game and say this is how I'm going to umpire.

It also just sets the umpire up for failure.

It's not about deciding HOW to umpire, and yes the rules are the rules, it's about raising awareness to coaches and players alike that you will be taking a stronger stance & be more vigilant on aspects of the game that may have been of concern in recent weeks like umpire abuse or sling tackles or something like that.

best umpires we have had this year(and i said it at the time) told us exactly how they would interpret rules before the game and thats what they did and it was a pleasure to have them..nothing wrong with increasing communication between umpires and players and the way they see the rules as everyone is different for interpretations no matter if the rule is black and white..

Umpiring is a sensitive issue, but the best ones we have had in Div 7 come and introduce themselves to the coach before the game and inform him of how they go about it, then go out and umpire completely the opposite. Personally I like to know what they think because under pressure they are just like players, they make mistakes. I wouldn't want the job.

[Phantom Gossiper]

Hahaha. Don't worry PG, just keep Houghton below you and hope a Div 7 C grade team plays in the GF and you will be able to stay in Div 6 and do it all over again.

Sorry i'm a little lost Yank Man...

What does a C grade Div 7 team playing in the GF got to do with us?!...

WE WILL avoid relegation...