SAAFL Division 4 & D4R (2012)

[Choccies]

Can't blame Jetters for sticking up for his own umpiring decisions each week. Of course he's going to back himself in and stick up for himself !!

[Ian]

You probably would have seen that FC removed the div 4 thread because this very subject got way out of hand and it was said that anyone that continued the witch hunt after FC's 2 requests to leave it alone would be banned for ignoring a mods request. Just a reminder to any other trolls out there ....

cheers

[FOURTH ESTATE]

Rod Moss is

(a) Unley’s B Grade umpire

(b) the immediate past President of the Unley Football Club

(c) Unley’s immediate past SAAFL Delegate

(d) the author of Division 4 in Sportsbeat every week

(e) umpiring his 655th game this week

[Jetters]

Rod Moss is

(a) Unley’s B Grade umpire

(b) the immediate past President of the Unley Football Club

(c) Unley’s immediate past SAAFL Delegate

(d) the author of Division 4 in Sportsbeat every week

(e) umpiring his 655th game this week

Is there an (f) ??

(b) incorrect

[Ian]

Ok ENOUGH already.

If a bunch of people were calling you a cheat on a forum, you'd be jumping up and down, yet this bloke isn't here to defend himself.

Now considering it is THIS forum that will cop any legal ramification from your downright SLANDER, I'm going to insist that all talk about this cease immediatley.

Automatic holiday for those that are non-compliant.

OK all, last warning, anyone continuing the topic will be responsible for the whole thread going again, and will be banned until the week after the SAAFL GF's

[Johno6]

No one answered me if he umpired basketball at ingle farm??

[Lightning McQueen]

No one answered me if he umpired basketball at ingle farm??

Does the basketball umpire have red hair?

[turk186]

Ok my question to the MODS

How much can be said about this subject ?

If for example some very poor decision arise out of this weeks game, what if anything are posters allowed to post?

There is no escaping the fact that this story has had a fair following this year and was certainley mentioned on numerous occassions in last years forum. IE it has history.

My club has taken all possible steps over the last 2 years to change the situation but it continues.

So whilst I understand and respect the rules of the forum I believe the forum has a right and responsibility to allow people to post their views on this and other subjects as they become topical.

The sheer volume of different posters that have shared similar views on this subject must indicate that there is some truth to it.

So what can be posted ? If the answer is nothing then the rights of many posters to air an opinion have been removed to protect an individual that clearly has history.

ALL I seek here is clarification

[Johno6]

for anyone that missed choccies post, i found it amusing.

and i think you would of to.

[Footy Chick]

No worries Turk and I hope this clears things up for everyone....

The site rules for a start:

material which is defamatory/libellous. This includes material which is libellous against SA Footy moderators and the Site Admin, other SA Footy members, or any third party. As a general rule, saying that someone is a poor footy player or criticising some aspect of their game is not considered libellous, but it'd be nice if you could back up your opinion with fact.
Very little facts on here to back it up, in fact the only facts came from Jetters who provided scores in that game which none of you had a chance in hell of winning anyway, help or no help from an ump.

The above also includes personal attacks on other people or members, be it direct or incinuated.

- troll posts (posts intended to be offensive or ignorant, setting off a large and pointless argument)


For a start, it's clearly old news so I really don't know why everyone is still carrying on about it - I can't wait till finals, what are you all going to whinge about then?

Secondly, we're here to discuss footy, not start a witch Hunt on a club umpire. Umps and other officials are hard enough to find without them being subjected to such scrutiny. Hell knows if it was Lloydy or anyone elses club umpires coming under such scrutiny, you'd be the first to jump up and down (luckily for you, Lloydy is a great ump )

You lot have been told by 2 different moderators that enough is enough - not because we're trying to curb your freedom of speech but because you all can't be trusted to not make it personal, which could have legal ramifications for this site.

My suggestion (and I know you've been down this road before Turk) but have you thought of a combined club complaint if the other clubs still feel it's such an issue... has this complaint been re-submitted since we've had a footy director?

So given that, if the subject of any person and their performance or lack thereof comes into the spotlight again, play by "do unto others" rule. Also any person using the the word cheat to describe anyone (unless it's been proven by the tribunal or a court of law) will be given a holiday as it's a personal attack.

Is division 4 really that much of a boring division that you can't find anything else to talk about?

[Mr Beefy]

So given that, if the subject of any person and their performance or lack thereof comes into the spotlight again, play by "do unto others" rule. Also any person using the the word cheat to describe anyone (unless it's been proven by the tribunal or a court of law) will be given a holiday as it's a personal attack.

Is division 4 really that much of a boring division that you can't find anything else to talk about?

Does that mean we can still call Kilburn cheats?

[Footy Chick]

Technically yes, but I wouldn't be trying it, don't make me stick this word on the banned list, so it will just come up stars like the F bomb

[heater31]

So calling an umpire biased (not necessarily Unley) is ok?

Cheating is when you gain something outside of the rules of the game.

IMO doesn't matter who umpires from what I have seen The Unley B grade are still going to win...

[Footy Chick]

So calling an umpire biased (not necessarily Unley) is ok?

Cheating is when you gain something outside of the rules of the game.

IMO doesn't matter who umpires from what I have seen The Unley B grade are still going to win...

If in your opinion you felt they were biased, yes thats fine, however BACK UP YOUR REASONS..


Correct - I could umpire the Unley B grade and they'd still win - I reckon you all need to get over it.

[Gatt_Weasel]

So calling an umpire biased (not necessarily Unley) is ok?

Cheating is when you gain something outside of the rules of the game.

IMO doesn't matter who umpires from what I have seen The Unley B grade are still going to win...

If in your opinion you felt they were biased, yes thats fine, however BACK UP YOUR REASONS..


Correct - I could umpire the Unley B grade and they'd still win - I reckon you all need to get over it.

im pretty sure the unley umpire would not be at the end that they are kicking to for starters so really its the forward line of the other team that is giving away the free kicks and the mid field

and if i did umpire the unley B grade i could make them lose LOL....in the finals SAAFL provides umpires not the club if you are good enough to make the finals you are rewarded with better umpires

[Choccies]

No worries Turk and I hope this clears things up for everyone....

The site rules for a start:

material which is defamatory/libellous. This includes material which is libellous against SA Footy moderators and the Site Admin, other SA Footy members, or any third party. As a general rule, saying that someone is a poor footy player or criticising some aspect of their game is not considered libellous, but it'd be nice if you could back up your opinion with fact.
Very little facts on here to back it up, in fact the only facts came from Jetters who provided scores in that game which none of you had a chance in hell of winning anyway, help or no help from an ump.

The above also includes personal attacks on other people or members, be it direct or incinuated.

- troll posts (posts intended to be offensive or ignorant, setting off a large and pointless argument)


For a start, it's clearly old news so I really don't know why everyone is still carrying on about it - I can't wait till finals, what are you all going to whinge about then?

Secondly, we're here to discuss footy, not start a witch Hunt on a club umpire. Umps and other officials are hard enough to find without them being subjected to such scrutiny. Hell knows if it was Lloydy or anyone elses club umpires coming under such scrutiny, you'd be the first to jump up and down (luckily for you, Lloydy is a great ump )

You lot have been told by 2 different moderators that enough is enough - not because we're trying to curb your freedom of speech but because you all can't be trusted to not make it personal, which could have legal ramifications for this site.

My suggestion (and I know you've been down this road before Turk) but have you thought of a combined club complaint if the other clubs still feel it's such an issue... has this complaint been re-submitted since we've had a footy director?

So given that, if the subject of any person and their performance or lack thereof comes into the spotlight again, play by "do unto others" rule. Also any person using the the word cheat to describe anyone (unless it's been proven by the tribunal or a court of law) will be given a holiday as it's a personal attack.

Is division 4 really that much of a boring division that you can't find anything else to talk about?

Firstly, it's not OLD news. It's current news. Great post turk.
Secondly, we are discussing footy. Umpires are a massive part of footy and will be discussed along with players, footballs, oval conditions, types of boots and good looking canteen girls.
Thirdly, I'm moving to North Korea....

[Footy Chick]

don't forget to write

[cossi11]

No worries Turk and I hope this clears things up for everyone....

The site rules for a start:

material which is defamatory/libellous. This includes material which is libellous against SA Footy moderators and the Site Admin, other SA Footy members, or any third party. As a general rule, saying that someone is a poor footy player or criticising some aspect of their game is not considered libellous, but it'd be nice if you could back up your opinion with fact.
Very little facts on here to back it up, in fact the only facts came from Jetters who provided scores in that game which none of you had a chance in hell of winning anyway, help or no help from an ump.

The above also includes personal attacks on other people or members, be it direct or incinuated.

- troll posts (posts intended to be offensive or ignorant, setting off a large and pointless argument)


For a start, it's clearly old news so I really don't know why everyone is still carrying on about it - I can't wait till finals, what are you all going to whinge about then?

Secondly, we're here to discuss footy, not start a witch Hunt on a club umpire. Umps and other officials are hard enough to find without them being subjected to such scrutiny. Hell knows if it was Lloydy or anyone elses club umpires coming under such scrutiny, you'd be the first to jump up and down (luckily for you, Lloydy is a great ump )

You lot have been told by 2 different moderators that enough is enough - not because we're trying to curb your freedom of speech but because you all can't be trusted to not make it personal, which could have legal ramifications for this site.

My suggestion (and I know you've been down this road before Turk) but have you thought of a combined club complaint if the other clubs still feel it's such an issue... has this complaint been re-submitted since we've had a footy director?

So given that, if the subject of any person and their performance or lack thereof comes into the spotlight again, play by "do unto others" rule. Also any person using the the word cheat to describe anyone (unless it's been proven by the tribunal or a court of law) will be given a holiday as it's a personal attack.

Is division 4 really that much of a boring division that you can't find anything else to talk about?

Firstly, it's not OLD news. It's current news. Great post turk.
Secondly, we are discussing footy. Umpires are a massive part of footy and will be discussed along with players, footballs, oval conditions, types of boots and good looking canteen girls.
Thirdly, I'm moving to North Korea....

Westminster OS wins hands down!

[Mr Beefy]

Firstly, it's not OLD news. It's current news. Great post turk.
Secondly, we are discussing footy. Umpires are a massive part of footy and will be discussed along with players, footballs, oval conditions, types of boots and good looking canteen girls.
Thirdly, I'm moving to North Korea....

Westminster OS wins hands down!

Agreed - at least there is one positive to come out of getting relegated with them!

[Dragons]

No worries Turk and I hope this clears things up for everyone....

The site rules for a start:

material which is defamatory/libellous. This includes material which is libellous against SA Footy moderators and the Site Admin, other SA Footy members, or any third party. As a general rule, saying that someone is a poor footy player or criticising some aspect of their game is not considered libellous, but it'd be nice if you could back up your opinion with fact.
Very little facts on here to back it up, in fact the only facts came from Jetters who provided scores in that game which none of you had a chance in hell of winning anyway, help or no help from an ump.

The above also includes personal attacks on other people or members, be it direct or incinuated.

- troll posts (posts intended to be offensive or ignorant, setting off a large and pointless argument)


For a start, it's clearly old news so I really don't know why everyone is still carrying on about it - I can't wait till finals, what are you all going to whinge about then?

Secondly, we're here to discuss footy, not start a witch Hunt on a club umpire. Umps and other officials are hard enough to find without them being subjected to such scrutiny. Hell knows if it was Lloydy or anyone elses club umpires coming under such scrutiny, you'd be the first to jump up and down (luckily for you, Lloydy is a great ump )

You lot have been told by 2 different moderators that enough is enough - not because we're trying to curb your freedom of speech but because you all can't be trusted to not make it personal, which could have legal ramifications for this site.

My suggestion (and I know you've been down this road before Turk) but have you thought of a combined club complaint if the other clubs still feel it's such an issue... has this complaint been re-submitted since we've had a footy director?

So given that, if the subject of any person and their performance or lack thereof comes into the spotlight again, play by "do unto others" rule. Also any person using the the word cheat to describe anyone (unless it's been proven by the tribunal or a court of law) will be given a holiday as it's a personal attack.

Is division 4 really that much of a boring division that you can't find anything else to talk about?

Firstly, it's not OLD news. It's current news. Great post turk.
Secondly, we are discussing footy. Umpires are a massive part of footy and will be discussed along with players, footballs, oval conditions, types of boots and good looking canteen girls.
Thirdly, I'm moving to North Korea....

Westminster OS wins hands down!

Cheers Cossi... 'Westminster OS' and 'wins' look strange when used so close together!!
We have twice the candy working this Saturday so shaping to be a good day. Despite the inevitable whooping AL will probably hand us...