Gillard should go!

[Jimmy_041]

Very difficult to lay a glove on Chwistofer
He can bat both sides

[gossipgirl]

Agree Chris Pyne is fantastic.

I reckon he will be next in line for Liberal Leader too.

it will stop the boats and everything else. Would easily win the worst politician ever

[Sky Pilot]

Agree Chris Pyne is fantastic.

I reckon he will be next in line for Liberal Leader too.

it will stop the boats and everything else. Would easily win the worst politician ever

what a ridiculous thing to say. How could Pyne possibly compete with Craig Thomson, Midnight Oil, Swan, Conroy, Combet, Ludwig, Macklin, Shorten, Wong (FFS!) and the biggest drop kick in Canberra Dr Craig Emerson, for the title of worst politician ever?

[DOC]

He can't compete with them, he's in a league of his own

[dedja]

Have I arrived at the best jokes thread by mistake?

LOL, someone is taking the poodle seriously .... that is funny

[mick]

Pyne is not likable but he is an extremely able politician thats why people generally on the left have such strong feelings of hatred towards him. John Howrd elicited similar feelings on the left. I for instance hate Mike Rann with a passion, because he was a master politician in a class of his own and was almost unbeatable, I can't feel the same way towards Weatherill, Gillard or any other Labor politician because they are clearly in the 2nd or 3rd rank when it comes to political nouse.

[Sky Pilot]

Pyne is not likable but he is an extremely able politician thats why people generally on the left have such strong feelings of hatred towards him. John Howrd elicited similar feelings on the left. I for instance hate Mike Rann with a passion, because he was a master politician in a class of his own and was almost unbeatable, I can't feel the same way towards Weatherill, Gillard or any other Labor politician because they are clearly in the 2nd or 3rd rank when it comes to political nouse.

I think you are around the mark there. Although I can't cop Weatherill, he's just way too socialist for my liking. Has no idea of the real world and how business and people work. And as the thread is titled "Gillard should go" - as quickly as possible surely!

[Squawk]

Well once again the PM has shown she really is a two-trick pony. The only portoflios can she handle are Education and Industrial Relations. She might as well just call herself the Prime Minister of Education. Yet, how many schools is the Cwlth responsible for running itself? None.

In addition to the PM for Education, the Cwlth has Garrett as Minister for Schools, Early Childhood and Youth and Jacinta Collins as Parliamentary Secretary for School Education. Oh, and Chris Evans is Minister for Tertiary Education; Kate Ellis is Minister for Child Care, and Sharon Bird is Parliamentary Secretary for Higher Education.

Gillard is really unable or unwilling to demonstrate leadership or capability around the portfolios of genuine Cwlth responsibility, which should be chief amongst her priorities as the PM. Treasury, Defence, Foreign Affairs for example.

[Psyber]

None of the promised education reforms will happen unless the states chip in a lot of money they don't have because they are already massively in debt.
Even if the states were prepared to go even further into debt, it won't happen unless the ALP somehow managed to win the next election.

We can expect a raft of such grand promises between now and 2014 on the basis, "If you re-elect us we'll give you these goodies."
Then if it worked the back downs would begin, because the money is not forthcoming.
(This is what has already happened with the promised Health reforms.)

So, as much as it is a great idea, the proposed action is entirely mythical, unless the Coalition decide to pick up some of it when the debts are under control.

[Squawk]

Yes Psyber - unfortunately (yet again) the Cwlth money is offered, but it is conditional on states re-adjusting their budgets to match funding formulas the Cwlth dictates, AND, meeting the Cwlth funding conditions to do it their way! So, the Cwlth doesn't operate one school, yet they know best when it comes to education because they are offering money on the basis states do what they say.

The other effect is that state budgets get re-aligned to enable Cwlth money to be accessed, so if SA needs to find another $50m (example sum only) for the education budget to get say $50m (example only) from the Cwlth, then $50m will need to be cut from somewhere else.

[Leaping Lindner]

Pyne is not likable but he is an extremely able politician thats why people generally on the left have such strong feelings of hatred towards him. John Howrd elicited similar feelings on the left. I for instance hate Mike Rann with a passion, because he was a master politician in a class of his own and was almost unbeatable, I can't feel the same way towards Weatherill, Gillard or any other Labor politician because they are clearly in the 2nd or 3rd rank when it comes to political nouse.

I think you are around the mark there. Although I can't cop Weatherill, he's just way too socialist for my liking. Has no idea of the real world and how business and people work. And as the thread is titled "Gillard should go" - as quickly as possible surely!

Define "real" world. Pyne went from Private School to Adelaide Uni to Law Firm to Parliament. Hardly the makings of a rich and full life experience.

[Leaping Lindner]

Yes Psyber - unfortunately (yet again) the Cwlth money is offered, but it is conditional on states re-adjusting their budgets to match funding formulas the Cwlth dictates, AND, meeting the Cwlth funding conditions to do it their way! So, the Cwlth doesn't operate one school, yet they know best when it comes to education because they are offering money on the basis states do what they say.

The other effect is that state budgets get re-aligned to enable Cwlth money to be accessed, so if SA needs to find another $50m (example sum only) for the education budget to get say $50m (example only) from the Cwlth, then $50m will need to be cut from somewhere else.

When States behave like Victoria it's hardly surprsing. Funny when Ballaeu bitches about school funding and he was part of a Government that shut 330 public schools, and then when Premier recently slashed $300 million from TAFE budgets. Prior to last election Balleau promised over and over Victorian teachers would be the best paid in the country. Still waiting on that one ...but the cops got their pay rise.

[Sky Pilot]

Pyne is not likable but he is an extremely able politician thats why people generally on the left have such strong feelings of hatred towards him. John Howrd elicited similar feelings on the left. I for instance hate Mike Rann with a passion, because he was a master politician in a class of his own and was almost unbeatable, I can't feel the same way towards Weatherill, Gillard or any other Labor politician because they are clearly in the 2nd or 3rd rank when it comes to political nouse.

I think you are around the mark there. Although I can't cop Weatherill, he's just way too socialist for my liking. Has no idea of the real world and how business and people work. And as the thread is titled "Gillard should go" - as quickly as possible surely!

Define "real" world. Pyne went from Private School to Adelaide Uni to Law Firm to Parliament. Hardly the makings of a rich and full life experience.

you can't beat good breeding, private education, connections, establishment, success, power, money. Surely better than recalcitrant school drop-out, learning how to break into cars and houses, street violence, gaol, debt, drugs, tatoos, body piercing, gaol, cemetary.

[mick]

Pyne is not likable but he is an extremely able politician thats why people generally on the left have such strong feelings of hatred towards him. John Howrd elicited similar feelings on the left. I for instance hate Mike Rann with a passion, because he was a master politician in a class of his own and was almost unbeatable, I can't feel the same way towards Weatherill, Gillard or any other Labor politician because they are clearly in the 2nd or 3rd rank when it comes to political nouse.

I think you are around the mark there. Although I can't cop Weatherill, he's just way too socialist for my liking. Has no idea of the real world and how business and people work. And as the thread is titled "Gillard should go" - as quickly as possible surely!

Define "real" world. Pyne went from Private School to Adelaide Uni to Law Firm to Parliament. Hardly the makings of a rich and full life experience.

The career path of many on both sides of politics - maybe we could ban people with law degrees from politics? that would be a start it would certainly raise the honesty quotient.

[Leaping Lindner]

Pyne is not likable but he is an extremely able politician thats why people generally on the left have such strong feelings of hatred towards him. John Howrd elicited similar feelings on the left. I for instance hate Mike Rann with a passion, because he was a master politician in a class of his own and was almost unbeatable, I can't feel the same way towards Weatherill, Gillard or any other Labor politician because they are clearly in the 2nd or 3rd rank when it comes to political nouse.

I think you are around the mark there. Although I can't cop Weatherill, he's just way too socialist for my liking. Has no idea of the real world and how business and people work. And as the thread is titled "Gillard should go" - as quickly as possible surely!

Define "real" world. Pyne went from Private School to Adelaide Uni to Law Firm to Parliament. Hardly the makings of a rich and full life experience.

The career path of many on both sides of politics - maybe we could ban people with law degrees from politics? that would be a start it would certainly raise the honesty quotient.

Hear Hear

[Leaping Lindner]

Pyne is not likable but he is an extremely able politician thats why people generally on the left have such strong feelings of hatred towards him. John Howrd elicited similar feelings on the left. I for instance hate Mike Rann with a passion, because he was a master politician in a class of his own and was almost unbeatable, I can't feel the same way towards Weatherill, Gillard or any other Labor politician because they are clearly in the 2nd or 3rd rank when it comes to political nouse.

I think you are around the mark there. Although I can't cop Weatherill, he's just way too socialist for my liking. Has no idea of the real world and how business and people work. And as the thread is titled "Gillard should go" - as quickly as possible surely!

Define "real" world. Pyne went from Private School to Adelaide Uni to Law Firm to Parliament. Hardly the makings of a rich and full life experience.

you can't beat good breeding, private education, connections, establishment, success, power, money. Surely better than recalcitrant school drop-out, learning how to break into cars and houses, street violence, gaol, debt, drugs, tatoos, body piercing, gaol, cemetary.

Well Saint Ignatius is hardly a real private school anyway.

[Sky Pilot]

X2

[Jimmy_041]

Pyne is not likable but he is an extremely able politician thats why people generally on the left have such strong feelings of hatred towards him. John Howrd elicited similar feelings on the left. I for instance hate Mike Rann with a passion, because he was a master politician in a class of his own and was almost unbeatable, I can't feel the same way towards Weatherill, Gillard or any other Labor politician because they are clearly in the 2nd or 3rd rank when it comes to political nouse.

I think you are around the mark there. Although I can't cop Weatherill, he's just way too socialist for my liking. Has no idea of the real world and how business and people work. And as the thread is titled "Gillard should go" - as quickly as possible surely!

Define "real" world. Pyne went from Private School to Adelaide Uni to Law Firm to Parliament. Hardly the makings of a rich and full life experience.

you can't beat good breeding, private education, connections, establishment, success, power, money. Surely better than recalcitrant school drop-out, learning how to break into cars and houses, street violence, gaol, debt, drugs, tatoos, body piercing, gaol, cemetary.

He did knife someone once

[Psyber]

.. The career path of many on both sides of politics - maybe we could ban people with law degrees from politics? that would be a start it would certainly raise the honesty quotient.

I've argued that too on the basis that lawyers lie for a living, and there are too many of them in politics doing it there.
(Even my mate who is a barrister agrees there is a case to be made.)

[Psyber]

When States behave like Victoria it's hardly surprsing. Funny when Ballaeu bitches about school funding and he was part of a Government that shut 330 public schools, and then when Premier recently slashed $300 million from TAFE budgets. Prior to last election Balleau promised over and over Victorian teachers would be the best paid in the country. Still waiting on that one ...but the cops got their pay rise.

You have to remember Bailleau inherited a huge financial mess from the previous government, as did Kennett, and, in SA, Brown/Olsen.
They all did a lot of things they would have preferred not to have to do had the states not been in such huge debt.
(I know, first hand, that's true of Olsen - I talked to him about it at the odd local barbecue at the time.)

SA is going to have the same problem again.
Rann started slashing the public service himself just before he took the golden handshake.
(But that seems to have been abandoned since he departed.)

You seem to have a pattern of blaming the people who are making the hard choices to clean up the mess the profligacy of the ALP left behind each time.
Are you Greek?