SANFL's 10th Team

[Champ]

1. Crows to enter the SANFL with a reserves side and become the 10th team.
2. All Port listed playes to Alberton to play with the Magpies. (given a choice to stay at current SANFL club if it's their original home club)
3. Both AFL reserves teams only able to 'recruit' top up players from rookie list, buying them from other SANFL clubs (if previously contracted) or they must have not played SANFL in atleast X amount of years.
4. All remaining SANFL clubs allowed a higher salary cap and points allocation to recruit and maintain players and coaches etc.

Just thinking we need to keep the highest standard of footy we can here in SA; if the Crows and Power go to an AFL reserves league or some other crap break away conference what will happen to the quality of SANFL.

IF the only fear is thrashings/lack of $$$ I think the comp would become even in time if not from the onset due to the contrainst mentioned above and sponsors, fans, players would stay involved with a new exciting elite brand of football. Plus whats the alternative, sponsors fall away because the AFL influx is gone and the league no longer even gets TV coverage so whats the point...

Also understand the AFL clubs 'train' together more than the other 8 clubs but hell they are now anyway and 5-8 injuries and they're in strife having to use top up players who are either very fresh (rookies) or from outher leagues (less prepared)

I know Im not the only one to think of something similar to this but could it work?

[mick]

Pissing the AFL back across the border is the best option.

[rod_rooster]

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[SDK]

Totally against any of those options. Young players learn better playing with men not more younger players. Look at Gold Coast and GWS all kids no leadership and they learn sweet FA.
tHE CURRENT SYSTEM IS BEST FOR ALL CONCERNED INCLUDING THE sanfl ..... THAT IS WHY THE afl ARE BEHIND IT, TO WEAKEN THE sanfl.

[PhilH]

Mixing

8 SANFL club "league" teams who sole purpose of existance is to win the SANFL League Premiership.

with

2 AFL reserves sides who do not care about winning, only player development.


is like mixing Grange with Red Cordial .... similar look, much poorer taste.


I don't want tanking in 40% of our games.

Must be avoided AT ALL COSTS.

[Wedgie]

Red Cordial > Red Wine

[SDK]

Very well said Phil.... you should consider journalism !!!

[bays2011]

Mixing

8 SANFL club "league" teams who sole purpose of existance is to win the SANFL League Premiership.

with

2 AFL reserves sides who do not care about winning, only player development.


is like mixing Grange with Red Cordial .... similar look, much poorer taste.


I don't want tanking in 40% of our games.

Must be avoided AT ALL COSTS.

This is spot on. 2 out of 5 games each round would effectively be trial matches.

Integrity of the competition would be gone forever.

[maccad]

by putting a crows reseves in th SANFL is not going to help, they would not be playing for premiership points so why would you risk top players therefore they would no be getting proper intensity required to progress.

[Go Legs]

1. Crows to enter the SANFL with a reserves side and become the 10th team.
2. All Port listed playes to Alberton to play with the Magpies. (given a choice to stay at current SANFL club if it's their original home club)
3. Both AFL reserves teams only able to 'recruit' top up players from rookie list, buying them from other SANFL clubs (if previously contracted) or they must have not played SANFL in atleast X amount of years.
4. All remaining SANFL clubs allowed a higher salary cap and points allocation to recruit and maintain players and coaches etc.

Just thinking we need to keep the highest standard of footy we can here in SA; if the Crows and Power go to an AFL reserves league or some other crap break away conference what will happen to the quality of SANFL.

IF the only fear is thrashings/lack of $$$ I think the comp would become even in time if not from the onset due to the contrainst mentioned above and sponsors, fans, players would stay involved with a new exciting elite brand of football. Plus whats the alternative, sponsors fall away because the AFL influx is gone and the league no longer even gets TV coverage so whats the point...

Also understand the AFL clubs 'train' together more than the other 8 clubs but hell they are now anyway and 5-8 injuries and they're in strife having to use top up players who are either very fresh (rookies) or from outher leagues (less prepared)

I know Im not the only one to think of something similar to this but could it work?

This is all about keeping the Magpies alive and in the SANFL, not about the best interests of the SANFL, bye bye Magpies.

Power/Crows/Eagles/Dockers have their seconds sides in the VFL and the AFL to pay all the association and travel costs.

Get back to 8 SANFL clubs, without the Magpies, with no exixsting AFL players, play 3 rounds x 7 games; 1 home, 1 Away and 1 at Adelaide Oval, No byes - your team plays every week, gives every team a chance to play at the home of football in SA (ADELAIDE OVAL) before the final 4 go through to the finals that is in the best interest of the SANFL, its clubs and the supporters.

I am Go Legs, you know it will happen, make it happen.

Cheers,

[PhilH]

The decision for the Crows and Power is pretty simple for mine

Do THEY think

A) - There is a clear net benefit in having all their surplus player together even if it is a lower level of competition.

or

B) - Is there a clear net benefit is playing in the best competition outside the AFL even if you lose control of your players.


If it is A - play in the SANFL reserves

If it is B - stay as is

If there is no clear benefit either way - stay as it, its the cheapest option.



Don't forget, at the start of each season many (not all) of the new draftees to AFL clubs are not yet up to SANFL league standard, hence why they start in SANFL reserves.

If one of the unsung benefits of the current system that young players are allocated according to their level of ability.

If the Crows / Power have one team what damage would they do the development of a young rookie listed player from the Vic TAC U18 by throwing them straight into an SANFL league game.

[Mark_Beswick]

Any top up player should be bought from whatever club zone that player resides in (10K for the amatuer club and 10k for the zoned sanfl club)
A top up player listed with an SANFL club - 50K

Make it financially impossible for it to happen - If we let them go ahead anywhere, sponosr will drift to the new club and comp; volunteers will be harder to keep at league clubs - What zone development does any AFL club do - NONE

[beenreal]

Pissing the AFL back across the border is the best option.

Here's another option...

How about getting into the REAL world?

[Champ]

Any top up player should be bought from whatever club zone that player resides in (10K for the amatuer club and 10k for the zoned sanfl club)
A top up player listed with an SANFL club - 50K

Make it financially impossible for it to happen - If we let them go ahead anywhere, sponosr will drift to the new club and comp; volunteers will be harder to keep at league clubs - What zone development does any AFL club do - NONE

I like this idea.

[Champ]

The decision for the Crows and Power is pretty simple for mine

Do THEY think

A) - There is a clear net benefit in having all their surplus player together even if it is a lower level of competition.

or

B) - Is there a clear net benefit is playing in the best competition outside the AFL even if you lose control of your players.


If it is A - play in the SANFL reserves

If it is B - stay as is

If there is no clear benefit either way - stay as it, its the cheapest option.



Don't forget, at the start of each season many (not all) of the new draftees to AFL clubs are not yet up to SANFL league standard, hence why they start in SANFL reserves.

If one of the unsung benefits of the current system that young players are allocated according to their level of ability.

If the Crows / Power have one team what damage would they do the development of a young rookie listed player from the Vic TAC U18 by throwing them straight into an SANFL league game.

Phil I think the AFL clubs mentioned are all spruiking the points of getting their playing lists together. Plus it works for Geelong, Brisbane (previously Suncoast Lions and the VFL sides like Collingwood reserves etc doesnt it?

[Champ]

1. Crows to enter the SANFL with a reserves side and become the 10th team.
2. All Port listed playes to Alberton to play with the Magpies. (given a choice to stay at current SANFL club if it's their original home club)
3. Both AFL reserves teams only able to 'recruit' top up players from rookie list, buying them from other SANFL clubs (if previously contracted) or they must have not played SANFL in atleast X amount of years.
4. All remaining SANFL clubs allowed a higher salary cap and points allocation to recruit and maintain players and coaches etc.

Just thinking we need to keep the highest standard of footy we can here in SA; if the Crows and Power go to an AFL reserves league or some other crap break away conference what will happen to the quality of SANFL.

IF the only fear is thrashings/lack of $$$ I think the comp would become even in time if not from the onset due to the contrainst mentioned above and sponsors, fans, players would stay involved with a new exciting elite brand of football. Plus whats the alternative, sponsors fall away because the AFL influx is gone and the league no longer even gets TV coverage so whats the point...

Also understand the AFL clubs 'train' together more than the other 8 clubs but hell they are now anyway and 5-8 injuries and they're in strife having to use top up players who are either very fresh (rookies) or from outher leagues (less prepared)

I know Im not the only one to think of something similar to this but could it work?

This is all about keeping the Magpies alive and in the SANFL, not about the best interests of the SANFL, bye bye Magpies.

Power/Crows/Eagles/Dockers have their seconds sides in the VFL and the AFL to pay all the association and travel costs.

Get back to 8 SANFL clubs, without the Magpies, with no exixsting AFL players, play 3 rounds x 7 games; 1 home, 1 Away and 1 at Adelaide Oval, No byes - your team plays every week, gives every team a chance to play at the home of football in SA (ADELAIDE OVAL) before the final 4 go through to the finals that is in the best interest of the SANFL, its clubs and the supporters.

I am Go Legs, you know it will happen, make it happen.

Cheers,

This is a bit silly, isnt West Lakes the home of SA footy... Turfing the most decorated club in the SANFL out? Really?!

[Champ]

I dont think that either club would put out second rate trial games, look at Geelong reserves, they take great pride in their games and playing in GF's.

I remember when SA footy was great but without an afl slant how long will we last, will we be considered as good a league as the VFL?

Or is it the opinion that ALL 18 AFL Reserves sides should be left to their own competition without finals etc and effectively play trials each week while all others play in thriving state comps?
This could be great in theory but we'd find the AFL pumping even more money into the reserves competition and wanting something back like maybe TV rights... therefore state league comps get bumped down the pecking order along with venue availablility etc etc.

Im not saying I have the answer but we'd all be stupid to think we can ignore the AFL influence now that its here; do we risk the SAAFL becoming a more attended and lucrative league in years to come?

[southee]

Pissing the AFL back across the border is the best option.

[wild dog]

From a purely intuitive grasp at crowd numbers, it seems to me the most successful period in terms of crowds would have been the period between the Crows forming and the creation of Port Power. You had the Crows sell out each fortnight, and still good numbers at SANFL games.

In terms of economic benefit and liveability to the state, not just taking the profit figures of organisations into account but actual indicators to the economy and lifestyle, having 4 (or 5) games per week at SANFL level attracting 5 - 15k + crowds and the blockbuster AFL game each fortnight would appear to be the bigger employer, better use of facitilites and general enjoyment of life within our city, suburbs and state. There needs to be a critical mass of games to make it interesting, and 2 teams within a city of 1.2million is boring, especially with the AFL being so locked down in terms of draft, the media, salary cap and player movement.

I would like to see the state gov, local gov and the SANFL get on the front foot and qualify what the best football model would be for OUR state before there is any large change to the current faltering model. Football, as Melbourne has so successfully realised (its always one or two as most liveable city,) is a massive part of our states lifestyle and culture and there needs to be a sophisticated look at what it means to the state. Knee jerk decisions on licence sales based on who hates which club or which club hates who, historical feuds, personal anomosities and pure dollar figures is nonsense and will have us all saying "if only" in 20 years time.

[Booney]

Pissing the AFL back across the border is the best option.

Yes, that will be easy to do and we should look into it. That'll see us right.