HFL Division 2 (Country)

[Champ]

And I dont agree that Callington who have become what they have become should be given a free ride into the 'top' tier of the HFL.

[doubletrouble]

I think its excellent that callington will be going up to central div and I think most clubs in country div will think so aswell. In all honesty I couldnt give a hoot where they go just as long as they never return back to country div

[Gervais]

I think its excellent that callington will be going up to central div and I think most clubs in country div will think so aswell. In all honesty I couldnt give a hoot where they go just as long as they never return back to country div

let's be honest here, callington are not "going up to central division". as i read it, some of their juniors will end up playing for the new bridgewater/callington club. the players who have spent the past 5 years getting pasted every weekend will be playing in the c grade comp.

a good outcome for the callington kids as they can keep playing football.

[Champ]

I think its excellent that callington will be going up to central div and I think most clubs in country div will think so aswell. In all honesty I couldnt give a hoot where they go just as long as they never return back to country div

let's be honest here, callington are not "going up to central division". as i read it, some of their juniors will end up playing for the new bridgewater/callington club. the players who have spent the past 5 years getting pasted every weekend will be playing in the c grade comp.

a good outcome for the callington kids as they can keep playing football.

Incorrect, Callington are going to central no matter how you look at it. They have elected to do the smart thing and join up with Bridgy, that makes the new club a central club, the new club is going to be 50% Callington so how does that not equal them going to central?

Again, I agree with the method being used but not necessarily the outcome in part. Last I checked that was allowed wasn't it?
The bigger problem now is that the country division is down to 9 teams so someone else is going to take Callington's place. The new HFL board are only interested in making it mandatory that each country club must have atleast 1 junior team in it's ranks.... this has basically been the case for the past couple of years so really..., they're not solving anything they're just putting in writing whats practically happening now. They should ask clubs to field 2 junior and 2 senior teams. If they cant the seniors play C'Grade while any juniors they might have play country div juniors? However this might not work either by splitting the clubs? Maybe if this were the case the C'Grade would have more ties to the country div?

[Bat Pad]

I think its excellent that callington will be going up to central div and I think most clubs in country div will think so aswell. In all honesty I couldnt give a hoot where they go just as long as they never return back to country div

let's be honest here, callington are not "going up to central division". as i read it, some of their juniors will end up playing for the new bridgewater/callington club. the players who have spent the past 5 years getting pasted every weekend will be playing in the c grade comp.

a good outcome for the callington kids as they can keep playing football.

Incorrect, Callington are going to central no matter how you look at it. They have elected to do the smart thing and join up with Bridgy, that makes the new club a central club, the new club is going to be 50% Callington so how does that not equal them going to central?

Again, I agree with the method being used but not necessarily the outcome in part. Last I checked that was allowed wasn't it?
The bigger problem now is that the country division is down to 9 teams so someone else is going to take Callington's place. The new HFL board are only interested in making it mandatory that each country club must have atleast 1 junior team in it's ranks.... this has basically been the case for the past couple of years so really..., they're not solving anything they're just putting in writing whats practically happening now. They should ask clubs to field 2 junior and 2 senior teams. If they cant the seniors play C'Grade while any juniors they might have play country div juniors? However this might not work either by splitting the clubs? Maybe if this were the case the C'Grade would have more ties to the country div?

I'm not sure what you are saying. Callington, as it exists now, will not exist if they merge with Bridgewater. So how a club that no longer exists can move a division is beyond me. Also, you mention that there will be an issue in Country with the Callington merger as it will become 9 teams. Then you complain how the HFL allow clubs to play in Country with only 1 junior team, and suggest a solution that would reduce the amount of clubs playing in it further.

[Bluedemon]

What a joke callywater will be 2 clubs that would be lucky to of won half a dozen games between them in the last 5 years. Has Shane Mitchell got the coaching job callywater would be one of the only clubs he hasn't coached.

Last I heard was that Mitchell was short-listed for the Aldinga job.

That job went to Shane Lynch

[Champ]

Incorrect, Callington are going to central no matter how you look at it. They have elected to do the smart thing and join up with Bridgy, that makes the new club a central club, the new club is going to be 50% Callington so how does that not equal them going to central?

Again, I agree with the method being used but not necessarily the outcome in part. Last I checked that was allowed wasn't it?
The bigger problem now is that the country division is down to 9 teams so someone else is going to take Callington's place. The new HFL board are only interested in making it mandatory that each country club must have atleast 1 junior team in it's ranks.... this has basically been the case for the past couple of years so really..., they're not solving anything they're just putting in writing whats practically happening now. They should ask clubs to field 2 junior and 2 senior teams. If they cant the seniors play C'Grade while any juniors they might have play country div juniors? However this might not work either by splitting the clubs? Maybe if this were the case the C'Grade would have more ties to the country div?[/quote]

I'm not sure what you are saying. Callington, as it exists now, will not exist if they merge with Bridgewater. So how a club that no longer exists can move a division is beyond me. Also, you mention that there will be an issue in Country with the Callington merger as it will become 9 teams. Then you complain how the HFL allow clubs to play in Country with only 1 junior team, and suggest a solution that would reduce the amount of clubs playing in it further.[/quote]

Apologies for baffling you, anyone would think you work at the HFL....
1) Callington are not folding they are amalgamating, do you know this term?
2) The point is really very simply; if Callington merge/amalgamate/vanish and NOTHING else happens then quite simply another lowly ranked club will simply become the next Callington.
3) Is this a forum? Are complaints/jokes/inuendo/banter/opinions allowed? Because if so then it's my opinion that all clubs regardless of divsion should work heavily on junior football for the good of football in your region. If clubs without juniors want to continue playing is it equitable to have them residing in the same competition as clubs who work hard to have juniors only to have a bye every other weekend in your junior program - as per 2012?

[Bat Pad]

Incorrect, Callington are going to central no matter how you look at it. They have elected to do the smart thing and join up with Bridgy, that makes the new club a central club, the new club is going to be 50% Callington so how does that not equal them going to central?

Again, I agree with the method being used but not necessarily the outcome in part. Last I checked that was allowed wasn't it?
The bigger problem now is that the country division is down to 9 teams so someone else is going to take Callington's place. The new HFL board are only interested in making it mandatory that each country club must have atleast 1 junior team in it's ranks.... this has basically been the case for the past couple of years so really..., they're not solving anything they're just putting in writing whats practically happening now. They should ask clubs to field 2 junior and 2 senior teams. If they cant the seniors play C'Grade while any juniors they might have play country div juniors? However this might not work either by splitting the clubs? Maybe if this were the case the C'Grade would have more ties to the country div?

I'm not sure what you are saying. Callington, as it exists now, will not exist if they merge with Bridgewater. So how a club that no longer exists can move a division is beyond me. Also, you mention that there will be an issue in Country with the Callington merger as it will become 9 teams. Then you complain how the HFL allow clubs to play in Country with only 1 junior team, and suggest a solution that would reduce the amount of clubs playing in it further.[/quote]

Apologies for baffling you, anyone would think you work at the HFL....
1) Callington are not folding they are amalgamating, do you know this term?
2) The point is really very simply; if Callington merge/amalgamate/vanish and NOTHING else happens then quite simply another lowly ranked club will simply become the next Callington.
3) Is this a forum? Are complaints/jokes/inuendo/banter/opinions allowed? Because if so then it's my opinion that all clubs regardless of divsion should work heavily on junior football for the good of football in your region. If clubs without juniors want to continue playing is it equitable to have them residing in the same competition as clubs who work hard to have juniors only to have a bye every other weekend in your junior program - as per 2012?[/quote]

So you still consider Fitzroy as an AFL club?

So because Callington leave, another club must get beaten by 50 goals each week, and only have 20 players for both senior sides? Yes, if Callington leave another club must finish last. Apart from that, they may have a full compliment of players and be reasonably competitive.

OK, but if what you suggest occurs, do you agree that there will be less sides playing in A/B grade in Country? Which you stated earlier was an issue with Callington leaving Country. If you want to believe that the only reason that some clubs struggle for juniors is that they don't work hard enough and therefore should be punished, which is what you imply, then I don't think you know what you are talking about, and your opinion shouldn't matter to anyone.

[Champ]

Anyway I've had my moment.

Bottom line is that in a generations time if nothing is done to improve the state of your league, it's promotion system and junior format then you will see a very different shaped competition.

Here's an idea, instead of sitting back waiting to pounce on other peoples suggestions how about you.... maybe add some of your own princess? Because at the moment you dont have much to offer other than opposing anything I have to say. Which in turn has you basically saying that clubs shouldn't be penalised for having no juniors.... which means that the clubs that do have juniors are penalised, so are the players and so are the parents because as I understand it juniors pay the same amount of fees yet play fewer games than their counterparts; is that fair?

I might not have the answer but atleast I'm pretending to care... hahahaha

[Bat Pad]

Anyway I've had my moment.

Bottom line is that in a generations time if nothing is done to improve the state of your league, it's promotion system and junior format then you will see a very different shaped competition.

Here's an idea, instead of sitting back waiting to pounce on other peoples suggestions how about you.... maybe add some of your own princess? Because at the moment you dont have much to offer other than opposing anything I have to say. Which in turn has you basically saying that clubs shouldn't be penalised for having no juniors.... which means that the clubs that do have juniors are penalised, so are the players and so are the parents because as I understand it juniors pay the same amount of fees yet play fewer games than their counterparts; is that fair?

I might not have the answer but atleast I'm pretending to care... hahahaha

I don't think anyone will begrduge me by not bothering to reply to the questions in such a moronic post









you

[Champ]

Anyway I've had my moment.

Bottom line is that in a generations time if nothing is done to improve the state of your league, it's promotion system and junior format then you will see a very different shaped competition.

Here's an idea, instead of sitting back waiting to pounce on other peoples suggestions how about you.... maybe add some of your own princess? Because at the moment you dont have much to offer other than opposing anything I have to say. Which in turn has you basically saying that clubs shouldn't be penalised for having no juniors.... which means that the clubs that do have juniors are penalised, so are the players and so are the parents because as I understand it juniors pay the same amount of fees yet play fewer games than their counterparts; is that fair?

I might not have the answer but atleast I'm pretending to care... hahahaha

I don't think anyone will begrduge me by not bothering to reply to the questions in such a moronic post









you

Hahahaha any unwitting poster would take your mere response as an attempt at taking the high road however others may in fact recognise shit when they read it. In part mine; completely yours.
But meh, to be or not to be, that is the question of 'begrudging' is it not?

[Champ]

Anyway I've had my moment.

Bottom line is that in a generations time if nothing is done to improve the state of your league, it's promotion system and junior format then you will see a very different shaped competition.

Here's an idea, instead of sitting back waiting to pounce on other peoples suggestions how about you.... maybe add some of your own princess? Because at the moment you dont have much to offer other than opposing anything I have to say. Which in turn has you basically saying that clubs shouldn't be penalised for having no juniors.... which means that the clubs that do have juniors are penalised, so are the players and so are the parents because as I understand it juniors pay the same amount of fees yet play fewer games than their counterparts; is that fair?

I might not have the answer but atleast I'm pretending to care... hahahaha

I don't think anyone will begrduge me by not bothering to reply to the questions in such a moronic post









you

Hahahaha any unwitting poster would take your mere response as an attempt at taking the high road however others may in fact recognise shit when they read it. In part mine; completely yours.
But meh, to be or not to be, that is the question of 'begrudging' is it not?

[Hear the roar]

Just a few observations regarding the proposed Callington/Bridgewater merger.....Firstly I can definitely say that not enough notice was given to locals re the AGM. One notice on the Community Board 4 days before the event; totally unreadable due to high weeds and drivers attempting to comply with speed limits. Nothing in the 'Courier' Public Notices in the preceding month. An Event posted on Facebook 3 days prior. A quick note appeared at the General Store 2-3 days prior, apparently in response to posts on this site.

A few flailing locals may have offered input if notified earlier. Forgive us if we feel it would have been disregarded anyway.

I have been told the issue with Callington refusing to play "C" Grade was/is that their juniors would have to play on Saturdays and their "C"'s on Sundays, thereby making it impossible to stretch limited Club personnel/supporters/players/families over 2 days.

So what has changed? Obviously the big winners are the juniors. GOOD STUFF AND GOOD TO HEAR! But the remnants of Cally are still 'C' Grade players at best and will have to play Friday nights or Sundays. That could be 3 DAYS overall for families and club personnel on any given week-end. Please explain.

A better advertised AGM may have allowed more input. Proposed identity? Colours? Club song? Personnel? History? However, good luck to both clubs.

I'm unwilling to be negative here but have appreciated the great reads here recently.

[Champ]

Just a few observations regarding the proposed Callington/Bridgewater merger.....Firstly I can definitely say that not enough notice was given to locals re the AGM. One notice on the Community Board 4 days before the event; totally unreadable due to high weeds and drivers attempting to comply with speed limits. Nothing in the 'Courier' Public Notices in the preceding month. An Event posted on Facebook 3 days prior. A quick note appeared at the General Store 2-3 days prior, apparently in response to posts on this site.

A few flailing locals may have offered input if notified earlier. Forgive us if we feel it would have been disregarded anyway.

I have been told the issue with Callington refusing to play "C" Grade was/is that their juniors would have to play on Saturdays and their "C"'s on Sundays, thereby making it impossible to stretch limited Club personnel/supporters/players/families over 2 days.

So what has changed? Obviously the big winners are the juniors. GOOD STUFF AND GOOD TO HEAR! But the remnants of Cally are still 'C' Grade players at best and will have to play Friday nights or Sundays. That could be 3 DAYS overall for families and club personnel on any given week-end. Please explain.

A better advertised AGM may have allowed more input. Proposed identity? Colours? Club song? Personnel? History? However, good luck to both clubs.

I'm unwilling to be negative here but have appreciated the great reads here recently.

Great post and certainly adds another dimension to my thinking on the situation. By the way exactly how many juniors are there at Callington and what age group/s?

[Hear the roar]

Cheers Champ. To be honest, I couldn't say how many juniors we're talking about. The Eagles fielded only Under 13's this year, but there seems to be local lads everywhere you look. 12 years ago the Eagles fielded U10's. U12's, U14's and U17's. The towns of Callington and Kanmantoo have grown enormously in the last five years, so where did all these kids go?

Nairne/Bremer have collected some and a few of the bigger kids have been playing Seniors but that only accounts for a handful. The local Cricket Club is thriving in terms of juniors. So that brings us back to the point of Cally's inability to stretch human resources in collecting these kids, coaching them, providing on and off-field support etc. How will this be any different by merging with a club already struggling with the same issues? Two wrongs don't make a right.

Furthermore, C's will still be played next year on Friday nights, Sunday afternoons and the odd 5.30 Saturday night game. How would a father and son feel about that, not to mention other family members involved in other sport? Yet this is the very same argument continually cited by Cally as a valid reason not to play C's in their own right. Hhmmm.

As I see it, it all comes down to recruiting enough interested people to make the Eagles a vibrant club again. A multitude of posters on this site have suggested that the Eagles' Engine Room will not listen to reason, has become insular and as a result has shrunk to just a handful of people.

Basically I believe there are more than enough locals to create interest in a Club based in their own town. Unfortunately you won't get that by flimsy announcements four days (at best) before an AGM.

[Droversdog]

Cheers Champ. To be honest, I couldn't say how many juniors we're talking about. The Eagles fielded only Under 13's this year, but there seems to be local lads everywhere you look. 12 years ago the Eagles fielded U10's. U12's, U14's and U17's. The towns of Callington and Kanmantoo have grown enormously in the last five years, so where did all these kids go?

Nairne/Bremer have collected some and a few of the bigger kids have been playing Seniors but that only accounts for a handful. The local Cricket Club is thriving in terms of juniors. So that brings us back to the point of Cally's inability to stretch human resources in collecting these kids, coaching them, providing on and off-field support etc. How will this be any different by merging with a club already struggling with the same issues? Two wrongs don't make a right.

Furthermore, C's will still be played next year on Friday nights, Sunday afternoons and the odd 5.30 Saturday night game. How would a father and son feel about that, not to mention other family members involved in other sport? Yet this is the very same argument continually cited by Cally as a valid reason not to play C's in their own right. Hhmmm.

As I see it, it all comes down to recruiting enough interested people to make the Eagles a vibrant club again. A multitude of posters on this site have suggested that the Eagles' Engine Room will not listen to reason, has become insular and as a result has shrunk to just a handful of people.

Basically I believe there are more than enough locals to create interest in a Club based in their own town. Unfortunately you won't get that by flimsy announcements four days (at best) before an AGM.

Yes another good post HTR, right on the mark. As someone who has given a lot to the Eagles in the good old days as in family and players it's pretty ordinary that the AGM was only advertised at the last minute. Maybe they didn't want the input of locals because as you would know a few people have discussed restarting the club properly. Personally I reckon the Eagles have used their last lifeline in doing what theyre planning to do. In a year I can see them swallowed up by Bridgewater and end up with no identity (eg Eastern Rangers) and nothing more than a great oval. I fully agree with you that 2 wrongs don't make a right.

[dukes]

Shane Maslin left the demons for the devils

[Kickittometoo]

Cheers Champ. To be honest, I couldn't say how many juniors we're talking about. The Eagles fielded only Under 13's this year, but there seems to be local lads everywhere you look. 12 years ago the Eagles fielded U10's. U12's, U14's and U17's. The towns of Callington and Kanmantoo have grown enormously in the last five years, so where did all these kids go?

Nairne/Bremer have collected some and a few of the bigger kids have been playing Seniors but that only accounts for a handful. The local Cricket Club is thriving in terms of juniors. So that brings us back to the point of Cally's inability to stretch human resources in collecting these kids, coaching them, providing on and off-field support etc. How will this be any different by merging with a club already struggling with the same issues? Two wrongs don't make a right.

Furthermore, C's will still be played next year on Friday nights, Sunday afternoons and the odd 5.30 Saturday night game. How would a father and son feel about that, not to mention other family members involved in other sport? Yet this is the very same argument continually cited by Cally as a valid reason not to play C's in their own right. Hhmmm.

As I see it, it all comes down to recruiting enough interested people to make the Eagles a vibrant club again. A multitude of posters on this site have suggested that the Eagles' Engine Room will not listen to reason, has become insular and as a result has shrunk to just a handful of people.

Basically I believe there are more than enough locals to create interest in a Club based in their own town. Unfortunately you won't get that by flimsy announcements four days (at best) before an AGM.

Yes another good post HTR, right on the mark. As someone who has given a lot to the Eagles in the good old days as in family and players it's pretty ordinary that the AGM was only advertised at the last minute. Maybe they didn't want the input of locals because as you would know a few people have discussed restarting the club properly. Personally I reckon the Eagles have used their last lifeline in doing what theyre planning to do. In a year I can see them swallowed up by Bridgewater and end up with no identity (eg Eastern Rangers) and nothing more than a great oval. I fully agree with you that 2 wrongs don't make a right.

I have heard that a few previously very good administrators at United Eagles have floated the idea of making the club happen again. That would be a step in the right direction but I have also heard its all done and dusted and nothing will change now. I'm not surprised the AGM was kept quiet, its all about a few stupid people and what they want. I played at that club in their best year and it was run by people who knew what they were doing and the result reflected that. We finished 4th in our 3rd year. Not too many HFL clubs could claim that. I wont wish them good luck as they dont deserve it.

[countryfootyfan]

Heard today that Ashby has left gumeracha and gone to the ypfl...

[doubletrouble]

Heard today that Ashby has left gumeracha and gone to the ypfl...

he is useless anyway.