Country transfers

[FOURTH ESTATE]

Money no object in the BL&G comp and plenty of points to throw around under the APPS by some clubs.

A D1 club last week lost their ruckman to Angaston for $2500 sign on fee $1500 a game and $2500 in in free booze as well.

What a joke this is becoming. since the salary cap went out it is open season by country clubs as they can now pay what ever they like and strike as many side deals as they can to steal players.

This bloke couldn't even hold down a league spot. His club is not happy to say the least.

This will all come to a head soon and these big spending country clubs are in for a big shock soon rather than later. Mark my words on this one, enough is enough even the SANFL agree with the SAAFL on this one and you know when they are upset things will happen.

[tigerpie]

Its not just the ammos either...metro clubs are having their good players targetted for big bucks also by country clubs.
I dont necessarily blame the blokes taking the coin, but in the long run its not sustainable for the club paying the dollars.
Case in point Keith. Their two highly paid recruits have gone back to their SFL club after 1 season. Angaston lost their big recruit after a year and i'm sure theres lots of movement with the big spending clubs.
Langhorne Creek have done pretty well keeping their big money recruits but its the exception rather than the rule here.
This has always happened and always will. I dont see a solution. Other than playing the loyalty card and having a happy club/squad environment.
In the end money talks!

[Yardy Lard]

Money no object in the BL&G comp and plenty of points to throw around under the APPS by some clubs.

A D1 club last week lost their ruckman to Angaston for $2500 sign on fee $1500 a game and $2500 in in free booze as well.

What a joke this is becoming. since the salary cap went out it is open season by country clubs as they can now pay what ever they like and strike as many side deals as they can to steal players.

This bloke couldn't even hold down a league spot. His club is not happy to say the least.

This will all come to a head soon and these big spending country clubs are in for a big shock soon rather than later. Mark my words on this one, enough is enough even the SANFL agree with the SAAFL on this one and you know when they are upset things will happen.

Think I remember the head the BL & G was the one who was "invited" to the SAAFL AGM to tell everyone 'how good that the points system was'

Who initiated that? Seems as though it was good for a little someone at the time, but maybe not now.

Looks like all the SAAFL clubs were sold a pup back then, in the need to rush the AAPS in at the time.

Cant blame the BL & G leagues and the Southern league and every other league else now for raiding the SAAFL clubs.

Many could see this at the time, but it is now coming to fruition. Is an open market out there and every club is feeling it.

Maybe at the time and before the AAPS was rushed into, then more thought should have been put into it. It is starting to have consequences now and I have a few emails to prove it.

Maybe go back to that AGM some 2 years ago when we were all told how good it was going to be for us in the future. Silence is deafening

[Jimmy_041]

At the time (and now) the alternative was all SAAFL players would be zero points and the country clubs would have no restrictions on the no of players they could recruit, so I fail to see your point

[Grahaml]

No different to a lower grade club being outbid by a higher grade club. All you can do is make the club the best place it can be for players and hope that means more than money. Salary caps are a waste of time. Very easy to have a loyal club member hand over an extra $100 a week and it never has to go on a contract or through a club's books.

[daysofourlives]

Money no object in the BL&G comp and plenty of points to throw around under the APPS by some clubs.

A D1 club last week lost their ruckman to Angaston for $2500 sign on fee $1500 a game and $2500 in in free booze as well.

What a joke this is becoming. since the salary cap went out it is open season by country clubs as they can now pay what ever they like and strike as many side deals as they can to steal players.

This bloke couldn't even hold down a league spot. His club is not happy to say the least.

This will all come to a head soon and these big spending country clubs are in for a big shock soon rather than later. Mark my words on this one, enough is enough even the SANFL agree with the SAAFL on this one and you know when they are upset things will happen.

And because you know it all this is a fact then is it DH.
As is always said on here, anything you read you can halve it and you might be getting close.
The clubs will always have money to throw around and the points system has just meant it is split between less mercenaries resulting in inflated values of these mercenaries.
Perhaps if your club got out of the dark ages and raised some funds you to could buy some decent players.

[daysofourlives]

At the time (and now) the alternative was all SAAFL players would be zero points and the country clubs would have no restrictions on the no of players they could recruit, so I fail to see your point

The BL&G formally had the best system of controlling imported players but were forced into the points system by the CFB.
7 of the 9 clubs won premierships in 7 years.
Since the points system was introduced we had Tanunda win 4 in a row with no one getting close until this year.
Basically the old system would be imports allocated on wins over the last 3 seasons and population of the town, in general this was somewhere between 1 and 6 imported players and there was a geographical boundary as to what defined an import. The BL&G never enforced a salary cap, there was no need to under this system.
It is trying to duplicate the system with the points system, Tanunda only allowed 3 points and Angaston 15 i believe and everyone else somewhere in between.
The problem is with some other leagues where 15 points are available to every team in the league

[FOURTH ESTATE]

You have a real chip on your shoulder about the SAAFL don't you Daysofourlives.

Raising funds? We don't pay over inflated prices for under performing players like you guys do.

Your comment regarding "The problem is with some other leagues where 15 points are available to every team in the league"

Read the the APPS in full and you might have a better understanding of it DH!!!!

[Jimmy_041]

I keep reading and hearing this: "The problem is with some other leagues where 15 points are available to every team in the league" but, am yet, to find a credible argument to support it.
Each senior team in a league is allowed a maximum 15 points and the league is allowed "No of senior teams x 15 points" as its league maximum.

How each league divvies those points up is entirely up to that league.

The SAAFL has a promotion / relegation system which negates the need to use points as a team equalisation system.

The APPS was not brought in to be used as a "team equalisation system" - some leagues decided to use it that way - we decided not to because we have a different system.

[Mythical Creature]

You have a real chip on your shoulder about the SAAFL don't you Daysofourlives.
Raising funds? We don't pay over inflated prices for under performing players like you guys do.

Your comment regarding "The problem is with some other leagues where 15 points are available to every team in the league"

Read the the APPS in full and you might have a better understanding of it DH!!!!

Who started this thread?

[BoundaryRider84]

You have a real chip on your shoulder about the SAAFL don't you Daysofourlives.
Raising funds? We don't pay over inflated prices for under performing players like you guys do.

Your comment regarding "The problem is with some other leagues where 15 points are available to every team in the league"

Read the the APPS in full and you might have a better understanding of it DH!!!!

Who started this thread?

[LuvsFooty]

Something has to give, because country clubs surely cant continue to pay large sums year in year out. I think we have it a lot easier with drawing sponsorship because of the identification to the town, but there has to be a tipping point with many businesses struggling.

I am as big a culpritt as anyone because we pay very good coin for recruits, but our hands are tied. If we dont keep up with the high paying clubs you either a) get wiped off the park to the tune of 20+ goals each week or b) you dont attract the numbers to maintain senior teams. Rich clubs in the country have set a dangerous precendent. All of a sudden $1500 in the South East equates to $800-$1000 in the Barossa, GSFL and Hills and you either pay it or fade away to nothing.

It will take a couple of clubs per league to start folding before everyone wakes up. I can tell you that this is not far away from happening in a few leagues.

And you can talk about junior development and culture and all that stuff. But you throw $200 at someone and sell the dream vs $1000 cash, tax free and you know who wins.

We need a statewide solution without the f#*k you city or F#*k you country attitude beacuse it affects everyone. Our targeting of city players leaves gaps that you have to fill with points and dollars.

[Dogwatcher]

We need a statewide solution without the f#*k you city or F#*k you country attitude beacuse it affects everyone.

Well said.

[daysofourlives]

You have a real chip on your shoulder about the SAAFL don't you Daysofourlives.

Raising funds? We don't pay over inflated prices for under performing players like you guys do.

Your comment regarding "The problem is with some other leagues where 15 points are available to every team in the league"

Read the the APPS in full and you might have a better understanding of it DH!!!!

The only reason you don't pay the big coin anymore is you don't have it or anyone to tap on the shoulder to just give it to you.
Until recently your club had a very poor/non-existent junior program so i ask how were you able to win Div1 flags if you didn't produce your own players? #potkettleblack

Did i say it was the amateurs that are the problem with 15 points?? I fully understand why SAAFL clubs can have their 15 points as you have promotion/relegation etc, i am talking about some country leagues that have 15 for all clubs.

[The Bartman]

Money no object in the BL&G comp and plenty of points to throw around under the APPS by some clubs.

A D1 club last week lost their ruckman to Angaston for $2500 sign on fee $1500 a game and $2500 in in free booze as well.

What a joke this is becoming. since the salary cap went out it is open season by country clubs as they can now pay what ever they like and strike as many side deals as they can to steal players.

This bloke couldn't even hold down a league spot. His club is not happy to say the least.

This will all come to a head soon and these big spending country clubs are in for a big shock soon rather than later. Mark my words on this one, enough is enough even the SANFL agree with the SAAFL on this one and you know when they are upset things will happen.

Is it any different to SAAFL clubs with money poaching home grown juniors from other SAAFL who can't match the offers? Been happening to us for years!!

[daysofourlives]

Money no object in the BL&G comp and plenty of points to throw around under the APPS by some clubs.

A D1 club last week lost their ruckman to Angaston for $2500 sign on fee $1500 a game and $2500 in in free booze as well.

What a joke this is becoming. since the salary cap went out it is open season by country clubs as they can now pay what ever they like and strike as many side deals as they can to steal players.

This bloke couldn't even hold down a league spot. His club is not happy to say the least.

This will all come to a head soon and these big spending country clubs are in for a big shock soon rather than later. Mark my words on this one, enough is enough even the SANFL agree with the SAAFL on this one and you know when they are upset things will happen.

Is it any different to SAAFL clubs with money poaching home grown juniors from other SAAFL who can't match the offers? Been happening to us for years!!

Looks like the new order in SA Footy is SANFL, nearby country leagues, SAAFL. Could it be that players who are not interested in SANFL anymore would rather play in a comp with atmosphere and in front of more than 50 people

[Q.]

Money no object in the BL&G comp and plenty of points to throw around under the APPS by some clubs.

A D1 club last week lost their ruckman to Angaston for $2500 sign on fee $1500 a game and $2500 in in free booze as well.

What a joke this is becoming. since the salary cap went out it is open season by country clubs as they can now pay what ever they like and strike as many side deals as they can to steal players.

This bloke couldn't even hold down a league spot. His club is not happy to say the least.

This will all come to a head soon and these big spending country clubs are in for a big shock soon rather than later. Mark my words on this one, enough is enough even the SANFL agree with the SAAFL on this one and you know when they are upset things will happen.

Is it any different to SAAFL clubs with money poaching home grown juniors from other SAAFL who can't match the offers? Been happening to us for years!!

Looks like the new order in SA Footy is SANFL, nearby country leagues, SAAFL. Could it be that players who are not interested in SANFL anymore would rather play in a comp with atmosphere and in front of more than 50 people

Yep, that's the reason.

[BigDaddy]

Something has to give, because country clubs surely cant continue to pay large sums year in year out. I think we have it a lot easier with drawing sponsorship because of the identification to the town, but there has to be a tipping point with many businesses struggling.

I am as big a culpritt as anyone because we pay very good coin for recruits, but our hands are tied. If we dont keep up with the high paying clubs you either a) get wiped off the park to the tune of 20+ goals each week or b) you dont attract the numbers to maintain senior teams. Rich clubs in the country have set a dangerous precendent. All of a sudden $1500 in the South East equates to $800-$1000 in the Barossa, GSFL and Hills and you either pay it or fade away to nothing.

It will take a couple of clubs per league to start folding before everyone wakes up. I can tell you that this is not far away from happening in a few leagues.

And you can talk about junior development and culture and all that stuff. But you throw $200 at someone and sell the dream vs $1000 cash, tax free and you know who wins.

We need a statewide solution without the f#*k you city or F#*k you country attitude beacuse it affects everyone. Our targeting of city players leaves gaps that you have to fill with points and dollars.

That is quite possibly the most balanced perspective on this, and one that I totally support.

I'ts so much bigger than league vs league. This issue impacts us all, in every league. To be competitive these days, players hold the majority of the cards. Breed quality juniors, and you still need to import players to complete your side to be successful at a higher level...This comes at a price, and more than just dollars and cents. Your quality juniors then want some cash to feel like they are appreciated, and within a couple of years the bidding wars begin and you find yourself being held to ransom by teenagers, no matter how good your club environment is.

Club loyalty, although still present, is waning at the higher level, and at the end of the day the majority of players have their price.
Yes, we lost our ruckman for next year, but if I was in Angaston's position with the money available, then I would invariably find myself doing the same thing. It is unfortunately the nature of the beast these days. The pressure on administrators by existing players, supporters, sponsors, etc to get the best players for the success of the club is huge and sometimes the temptation to pay over market prices can be way too hard to resist.

The pressure on the only true 'amateurs' in football these days (committee members, etc), is ever increasing as more and more people look for a slice of the pie that is harder and harder to find.

The sooner all clubs and all leagues can come together as one to find some semblance of a solution the better. There will always be clubs and/or leagues that exploit rules, but the sooner the CFL (heaven forbid), flexed its muscle and actually viewed their position as one that can help football in this state at a grassroots level for the better, then the battle may begin. being proactive and consultative may be unfamiliar to some in the upper offices, but there are many within club land that would be more than willing to lend a hand and put their own clubs interests aside for the benefit of football as a whole if they just asked. This problem is a big one, and one that won't be solved overnight, but to see the wheels turning would give tired administrators a bit of hope.

Rest assured those clubs with money will not always be in such a flush situation. We have all been in football long enough to know that the wheel turns eventually, and when clubs start struggling fiscally things can fall apart rather quickly. I don't wish this on any club or league, but if things keep going the way they are, then the result is inevitable for some.

Anyway, just my thoughts. Make no mistake, I'm not having a go at any club or league in particular, as we are all as guilty as the next club or league, and we all know that there are still some clubs out there that all play for the love of the guernsey, but my argument is that if things keep heading the way that it is currently, these clubs will soon be a thing of the past.

[FOURTH ESTATE]

Bloody good post Big Daddy. Agree it is a problem that we need to look at as group not individuals.
Some clubs will spend no matter what and this is to the detriment of all.

When players coming out of SANFL clubs and have only played 20-50 reserves games and a few league games they demand $200+ a game.

Clubs are starting to wake up and say no to these players but are own players are now being offered the same amount or want the same to feel wanted.

Serious thought and action need to be taken or clubs and leagues will fold

[heater31]

Serious thought and action need to be taken or clubs and leagues will fold

Nothing will happen until this does....