Duromine vs Professional athlete

[Q.]

You are saying its ok to take supplements to bulk up and strut around on a stage like a half baked peacock but not ok to take a medication to aid and assist an obese person reach a healthy weight.

Never said that. Never said I was totally against duromine. My only argument is that it doesn't teach you about diet, nutrition, willpower, discipline etc. It suppresses your appetite artificially, so the drawback is that - having not taught yourself about good nutrition and discipline - you fall back into old habits once off the drug.

Just like lap band surgery.

Dunno, talking out of my depth on that one.

Although, my mates mum had it done and has since shown great committment to good diet and exercise.

[OnSong]

You are saying its ok to take supplements to bulk up and strut around on a stage like a half baked peacock but not ok to take a medication to aid and assist an obese person reach a healthy weight.

Never said that. Never said I was totally against duromine. My only argument is that it doesn't teach you about diet, nutrition, willpower, discipline etc. It suppresses your appetite artificially, so the drawback is that - having not taught yourself about good nutrition and discipline - you fall back into old habits once off the drug.

Just like lap band surgery.

Dunno, talking out of my depth on that one.

Although, my mates mum had it done and has since shown great committment to good diet and exercise.

I guess it's an individual basis with all these things. At the end of the day, it's up to the individual to make what ever method they are trying, successful in the long term

[Q.]

I guess it's an individual basis with all these things. At the end of the day, it's up to the individual to make what ever method they are trying, successful in the long term

Exactly. Everybody starts somewhere, but what you learn and teach yourself along the way is up to the individual.

[cheetah]

I guess it's an individual basis with all these things. At the end of the day, it's up to the individual to make what ever method they are trying, successful in the long term

Exactly. Everybody starts somewhere, but what you learn and teach yourself along the way is up to the individual.

Isnt this what drago is showing. Heaps of people have tried those shake diets, heaps of people have tried those book diets and heaps of people have tried 2 help me with my grammar most fail. (all have with my grammar and spelling) Going on and on again me and Drago are well aware this is very early days.

[kickinit]

You are saying its ok to take supplements to bulk up and strut around on a stage like a half baked peacock but not ok to take a medication to aid and assist an obese person reach a healthy weight.

what supplements are you talking about? it's a bit hard to give you a answer without knowing the supplements you are refering to.

[kickinit]

What about people that use/used Jack3d to help them work out longer and harder to gain muscle? That would have similar stimulants as Duramine wouldnt it?

Well it got banned so most of been something bad in it.

Yeah but what Im wondering is if kickinit has used it or something similar or thinks its ok to use them to perform better?

never used a pre workout and never intend. It's something that is not needed in probably about 90% of people that do use it.

[kickinit]

Just a tame stimulant...

http://www.news.com.au/sport/more-sport ... 6565529475

DMAA is a dangerous substance when not used correctly. i don't know how many times I have heard jacked not giving me a pump anymore so i'm using 3,4 scoops. I personally think there should be more regulation on the supplement industry, the amount of kids using supplements these without knowing what they are is crazy. I've seen kids aged 16 asking whats a good test booster to take, like seriously does a kid aged 16 need a test booster.

[Roxy the Rat Girl]

Great line of questioning Scoob, has taken this thread to a whole new level.

[Squids]

You are saying its ok to take supplements to bulk up and strut around on a stage like a half baked peacock but not ok to take a medication to aid and assist an obese person reach a healthy weight.

what supplements are you talking about? it's a bit hard to give you a answer without knowing the supplements you are refering to.

what supplements do you take? be honest.

[Roxy the Rat Girl]

what supplements do you take? be honest.

I think Squids might be onto something.

[Squids]

kickinit works 16 hour days in 40degree heat at willy wonkas factory

[kickinit]

protein
BCAA
creatine
L-carnitine
Green Tea
Multivitamin
Fish oil

And while bulking i'll use carbs when I need to. and that's basically when i'm in a rush and know i'm going to fall short.

[cheetah]

So really kickinit you are a hypocrinit. Wasnt there an article in the advertiser about gastric banding. How some doctor believes this would save health indusrty money in long term from not looking after overweight peoples health problems in the future. If this procedure helps save people and reduces burden on health industry, then why not? Kickinit what are some supplerments that can help drago put on some bulk? Please factor in cost. Drago could have lost weight by dieting and exercise. But this helped take the pressure of his body. Plus a great motivater when weight is dropping of so quickly. The appetite suppression has thus far helped drago 2 get into a good eating routine. I know when the jamies run out this will be our big challenge, but results thus far have been pretty good. Even you would have 2 agree.

[kickinit]

I'm sure why your calling me a hypocrite, but i'm guessing it's because I use supplements? Supplements aren't going to make me lose weight, you can take all the supplements in the world but the only thing that is going to make you lose weight is a calorie deficit diet and good exercise plan. Supplements are only to help you along the way, that's why there a supplement. The link below is the article i'm guessing you are referring to and squids had already asked me what I thought. When your paying around the $10,000 for the op wouldn't you want something that is going to fix you for good? Seeing in that same article it was also found more then half the people that had it had to have a follow up procedure. Plus factor into that the people that simply couldn't afford another $10,000 and people that had given up on it working for them. To me it doesn't have a huge success rate to it. BUT that doesn't mean it doesn't work and i'm sure you what the reason is people need to have the surgery again.

Drago weight loss is a great achievement no one can deny that. To me the weight isn't "dropping off so quickly", his weight loss so far could of easily been achieved without using duromine. But at the end of the day it's drago decision to what he takes and what he doesn't, as long as he is happy with his decision then that's it. Hopefully when he stops he learns about nutrition and learns how his body deals with it. And please remind him 1 (the one thing most diets out there forget to mention, and the 1 reason peoples weight loss stops) is he needs to keep adjusting his calories the more weight he losses. And if he see's a diet that automatically gives him a calorie number without even taking simple stats like height and weight to stay as far away as possible.

I personally think drago has a long way to go before he even thinks about a bulk. Not just in his weight loss but he has workout how he body reacts, find his maintenance level and get that in order before worrying about size. Once he has these worked out a bulk will become much easier to control and if it does become out of hand then he knows how to get back. A bulk is just the opposite of a cut, calorie deficit for a cut and a calorie surplus for a bulk. deficit and surplus should be around 300-500 calories of maintenance. Supplements are only there to fill the void of what he's missing from his diet. But in my experience i'd be very impressed if he could do it without them.

[cheetah]

Thank you for your frank and honest answer. Can i ask why you take those certain supplements. Also in what form. i.e protein? Which have you also found is good for muscle recovery as drago is really struggling at the moment.

[Q.]

what are some supplerments that can help drago put on some bulk?

Lift some ******* weights. Supplements don't make you put on muscle.

[scoob]

what are some supplerments that can help drago put on some bulk?

Lift some ******* weights. Supplements don't make you put on muscle.

Why would Kickinit take them then? Sounds like its the same as his arguement against Duromine - he could do it without supplements. Why cheat - when you are only cheating yourself?

[Q.]

what are some supplerments that can help drago put on some bulk?

Lift some ******* weights. Supplements don't make you put on muscle.

Why would Kickinit take them then? Sounds like its the same as his arguement against Duromine - he could do it without supplements. Why cheat - when you are only cheating yourself?

Firstly, it's not the same argument. None of them are drugs with psychoactive properties. If I stop taking creatine I'm not suddenly going to eat like shit and turn into a fatty.

I could argue that you don't need any of those supplements that kickinit listed, but something like a protein shake (in the form of WPC or WPI) is very convenient for hitting required daily macros each day. When you're training intensely for six days a week, doing a 5-day split and inevitably hitting a bodypart twice a week, taking something like BCAAs may help you recover 5% better. If you're hitting strength plateaus and maxing out your squat PB at 160kgs, then creatine saturation may help you break those plateaus. These things aren't necessary, but when you've been training for a while, your routine is damn solid and your diet is excellent, they may help a little.

[Jase]

In get a bit sick of the "all you need is a calorie deficit and exercise and you can easily drop 1.5-2Kg per week" bullsh1t

My wife due to some medication she was on stacked in a heap of weight. She is now going to the gym 3-4 times a week plus walking every day, managing her calorie intake with the help of an app and has lost maybe half a kilo in 2 months.

So it isn't as easy as you seem to think for everyone And they do need that extra help...

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[scoob]

In get a bit sick of the "all you need is a calorie deficit and exercise and you can easily drop 1.5-2Kg per week" bullsh1t

My wife due to some medication she was on stacked in a heap of weight. She is now going to the gym 3-4 times a week plus walking every day, managing her calorie intake with the help of an app and has lost maybe half a kilo in 2 months.

So it isn't as easy as you seem to think for everyone And they do need that extra help...

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Maybe she should start hitting some body parts 2 a week and busting through some plateaus with some help from some supplements - they will assist her - rather than using a drug to assist her lose weight... Get her really shredding it up!

Good luck to her - she sounds like she is working her arse off!