SAAFL Division 1 2013

[TIRED TIGER]

Firstly, not a bad idea with the rejig to the points system.

But do you think giving the relegated clubs 12 points is a good thing? Usually these clubs are pretty well placed regarding player lists when they come down a division anyway, and they'll be even better placed when they have more points allocated to them than the 3rd and 4th placed clubs of the divsion they are going to.

I know in some cases teams (Eastern Park, PNU recently) can lose a lot of players when they are in higer divsions and struggle when they get relegated, but wouldnt you think giving the relegated teams 12 points would just create a yo-yo affect for these clubs?

And vice versa the two promoted teams from div 2 on less points than 7 and 8 in div 1. yoyo effect there also

[RooShootOhh]

I thought of that and two ways... Is there a problem with teams earning promotion the year after relegation?

The other option is to give teams coming down a division 9 pts (reality 1 less player) to be the same as teams that just missed promotion and give teams coming up 15 pts (reality 1 more player) to be equal to the teams that just missed relegation.

Still only 6 points between highest ranked and lowest ranked teams in the comp. I think "Grading" points system allows teams to develop a side for gradual improvement based on players hanging around and developing with the club. Genuinely earned promotion and relagation.

One could argue, 15 points for every team, enhances the possibility of Yo Yo effect if clubs are prepared to buy the best players to go straight back up. or clubs go "well we were up for a couple years, had our go, now put the cue in the rack for a few years before we have another go (spend)"

[Hefty]

Saw the last quarter of that game.

I love watching Johnny Boxer play, he's an excitement machine! You would've had that game too if not for your 4 minute nap.

He will be back out at Burra land next year!!

[bird of prey]

Only 6 points for the team that comes top? Most teams are playing pretty much at full points at the moment. So do they have to cut players loose to get to under 6 points?
Also, when a team finishes top, their side tends to get raided by other leagues offering $$. Has been the case over the last few years.
6 points means you can only replace 2-3 of these players.

Some clubs that are lower down the ladder or in lower divisions may be there because their on and off field departments are not run as well, or they may not be a big enough club to have what it takes to be promoted, etc.
Plenty of clubs over the years have done the hard yards, built their club back up over time to get themselves into a position to take on the bigger teams. Why can't we just leave it at that?
Why punish a top side by allocating them less points when they have worked their ass off to have some success in that year?
May as well start a handicap system of giving lower ranked teams a 3 goal head start to bring both teams into line then....

[Robb_Stark]

Only 6 points for the team that comes top? Most teams are playing pretty much at full points at the moment. So do they have to cut players loose to get to under 6 points?
Also, when a team finishes top, their side tends to get raided by other leagues offering $$. Has been the case over the last few years.
6 points means you can only replace 2-3 of these players.

Some clubs that are lower down the ladder or in lower divisions may be there because their on and off field departments are not run as well, or they may not be a big enough club to have what it takes to be promoted, etc.
Plenty of clubs over the years have done the hard yards, built their club back up over time to get themselves into a position to take on the bigger teams. Why can't we just leave it at that?
Why punish a top side by allocating them less points when they have worked their ass off to have some success in that year?
May as well start a handicap system of giving lower ranked teams a 3 goal head start to bring both teams into line then....

like they do at the trotts gotta love that horse that comes of the 40 metre yard and wins

[RooShootOhh]

Only 6 points for the team that comes top? Most teams are playing pretty much at full points at the moment. So do they have to cut players loose to get to under 6 points?
Also, when a team finishes top, their side tends to get raided by other leagues offering $$. Has been the case over the last few years.
6 points means you can only replace 2-3 of these players.

Some clubs that are lower down the ladder or in lower divisions may be there because their on and off field departments are not run as well, or they may not be a big enough club to have what it takes to be promoted, etc.
Plenty of clubs over the years have done the hard yards, built their club back up over time to get themselves into a position to take on the bigger teams. Why can't we just leave it at that?
Why punish a top side by allocating them less points when they have worked their ass off to have some success in that year?
May as well start a handicap system of giving lower ranked teams a 3 goal head start to bring both teams into line then....

So that was only div 1, and your right, that may need tweaking. This is not a shot at any club, IMO it is an equalisation policy, that what I see the aim is for a points system.

I HATE the excuse other clubs take our players! Boo hoo! I'd you provided an environment that encourages people to hang around, you club will still prosper, if you have blokes chasing $$$, then do you want the. At your club? Maybe, just MAYBE these clubs need to look at the type of people they recruit in the first place! Not just good footballers but good PEOPLE.

Have a look at Tanunda in the BLG, the last 3-4 years they have operated with 3 points per year and have played in the last 5 or 6 grand finals, it can be done, so it's not an excuse or argument against the system.

What you will find, if clubs don't have 15 points each, they will be more careful in the players the sign, and the amount of players changing club will decrease.

Again, not aimed at any club, this aims for equality across the divisions. 15 points for a top team against 15 points for the bottom team can no way be deemed as equal!

[bird of prey]

Only 6 points for the team that comes top? Most teams are playing pretty much at full points at the moment. So do they have to cut players loose to get to under 6 points?
Also, when a team finishes top, their side tends to get raided by other leagues offering $$. Has been the case over the last few years.
6 points means you can only replace 2-3 of these players.

Some clubs that are lower down the ladder or in lower divisions may be there because their on and off field departments are not run as well, or they may not be a big enough club to have what it takes to be promoted, etc.
Plenty of clubs over the years have done the hard yards, built their club back up over time to get themselves into a position to take on the bigger teams. Why can't we just leave it at that?
Why punish a top side by allocating them less points when they have worked their ass off to have some success in that year?
May as well start a handicap system of giving lower ranked teams a 3 goal head start to bring both teams into line then....

So that was only div 1, and your right, that may need tweaking. This is not a shot at any club, IMO it is an equalisation policy, that what I see the aim is for a points system.

I HATE the excuse other clubs take our players! Boo hoo! I'd you provided an environment that encourages people to hang around, you club will still prosper, if you have blokes chasing $$$, then do you want the. At your club? Maybe, just MAYBE these clubs need to look at the type of people they recruit in the first place! Not just good footballers but good PEOPLE.

Have a look at Tanunda in the BLG, the last 3-4 years they have operated with 3 points per year and have played in the last 5 or 6 grand finals, it can be done, so it's not an excuse or argument against the system.

What you will find, if clubs don't have 15 points each, they will be more careful in the players the sign, and the amount of players changing club will decrease.

Again, not aimed at any club, this aims for equality across the divisions. 15 points for a top team against 15 points for the bottom team can no way be deemed as equal!

I reckon every club has the issue of people leaving as they attracted by the large $$. Nothing to do with the type of bloke they are, or the environment of the club. I think you're being a bit naive there.
As for Tanunda, hasn't there been rumors around the fact that they have been very "creative" in how they manage to play with so few "imports"? I may be wrong on this, but it is just what I have heard from others in that league.
I think it would be extremely hard for a side to only have a turnover of a couple of players every year. Almost never happens. People retire, move away for work, etc. Not even the best club environment can keep the best type of bloke from not continuing on for these reasons.

[Q.]

Points scaling won't work in a promotion/relegation system.

[Rat Catcher]

Just out of interest, if div 1 has 150 points to distribute in that comp ie 15 pts each, how many clubs would actually use all 15 points per club.

[bird of prey]

Just out of interest, if div 1 has 150 points to distribute in that comp ie 15 pts each, how many clubs would actually use all 15 points per club.

I reckon only your college sides wouldn't. The rest would use all of them (or close to).

[Pag]

Points scaling won't work in a promotion/relegation system.

This.

Relegation/promotion is the equalisation that no other leagues have, let the country leagues deal with the points scaling.

[marbles]

I say 4 get relegated 4 get promoted, make the seasons interesting, vibrant and urgent

Every side hanging by a thread only the strongest remain, eventually all clubs in all divs are in the act enhancing equalisation. The concept of divisions and ranking will be less as all clubs are in the running to evolve into a league powerhouse within 3-4 years. Just an idea zzzzz

Frantic, tick tick tick tock

[Cohiba]

I say 4 get relegated 4 get promoted, make the seasons interesting, vibrant and urgent

Every side hanging by a thread only the strongest remain, eventually all clubs in all divs are in the act enhancing equalisation. The concept of divisions and ranking will be less as all clubs are in the running to evolve into a league powerhouse within 3-4 years. Just an idea zzzzz

Frantic, tick tick tick tock

Your "suggestion".... I think that would devalue winning the premiership and reward mediocrity IMO.

[marbles]

I say 4 get relegated 4 get promoted, make the seasons interesting, vibrant and urgent

Every side hanging by a thread only the strongest remain, eventually all clubs in all divs are in the act enhancing equalisation. The concept of divisions and ranking will be less as all clubs are in the running to evolve into a league powerhouse within 3-4 years. Just an idea zzzzz

Frantic, tick tick tick tock

Your "suggestion".... I think that would devalue winning the premiership and reward mediocrity IMO.

Yeah so u considered the idea, then u created a senario in your head of this revolution, explain why u came to this conclusion, what senario did u render?

[bandar]

I say 4 get relegated 4 get promoted, make the seasons interesting, vibrant and urgent

Every side hanging by a thread only the strongest remain, eventually all clubs in all divs are in the act enhancing equalisation. The concept of divisions and ranking will be less as all clubs are in the running to evolve into a league powerhouse within 3-4 years. Just an idea zzzzz

Frantic, tick tick tick tock

Are you talking about Div 1 or all grades?

[pureclass]

I say 4 get relegated 4 get promoted, make the seasons interesting, vibrant and urgent

Every side hanging by a thread only the strongest remain, eventually all clubs in all divs are in the act enhancing equalisation. The concept of divisions and ranking will be less as all clubs are in the running to evolve into a league powerhouse within 3-4 years. Just an idea zzzzz

Frantic, tick tick tick tock

Leave the relegation/promotion system as it is. Nothing wrong with it.
The points scaling system is not a bad idea. If clubs are short on points it will encourage them to play juniors which will only benefit the club long term

[Cohiba]

I say 4 get relegated 4 get promoted, make the seasons interesting, vibrant and urgent

Every side hanging by a thread only the strongest remain, eventually all clubs in all divs are in the act enhancing equalisation. The concept of divisions and ranking will be less as all clubs are in the running to evolve into a league powerhouse within 3-4 years. Just an idea zzzzz

Frantic, tick tick tick tock

Your "suggestion".... I think that would devalue winning the premiership and reward mediocrity IMO.

Yeah so u considered the idea, then u created a senario in your head of this revolution, explain why u came to this conclusion, what senario did u render?

Put simply for you Marbles....that one of the prime objectives for most if not all clubs is to strive for premiership glory and to be rewarded with promotion to a higher standard of football by being the best of the best in that division for that season, or at the very least have challenged for bragging rights by playing in that final.... If you have 4,5,or why not make it 6 teams who could by virtue be promoted on the back of winning maybe only half the games they contested I feel it devalues the achievements of teams that finish on top or again at least those who play off in the grand final...... Just my opinion....... that's alright with you isn't young fella. PS senario has a "C" in it.....

[The Dominator]

4 up and 4 down Stupid idea. Just ask Kilburn who went from Div 3 to Div 2 after coming third. It's taken them years to recover. The clubs voted against 1 up 1 down last year. I can almost hear the laughter at 4/4

And why screw with the points? That's exactly what the country clubs want us to do. The promotion/relegation system takes care of the evening up process. WTF make it more difficult??? This idea is like the AFL rules committee making up new rules for the sake of it.

[marbles]

Nope its an outstanding idea. U either snooze or u lose

Any simpleton can turn their nose at a revolutionary its human nature

I dont see why clubs should stay dormant in divisions and achieve nothing over 10 years, how boring

[Cohiba]

Nope its an outstanding idea. U either snooze or u lose

Any simpleton can turn their nose at a revolutionary its human nature

I dont see why clubs should stay dormant in divisions and achieve nothing over 10 years, how boring

I guess that makes you a "simple" revolutionary....should we call "Che Marbles"?