Swan Districts AFL protest

[whufc]

Are you for real the only benefit you have is the clubs wouldnt have to have players dropping back to the their home club, a club that has potentially spent thousands on their development, players that have been 100 game players at their club, players that maybe premiership players at there club, players that may have extremly strong family ties to their club.

We should give up our soul for that...................................................!



GAME SET AND MATCH.

And to answer your question NO i will not watch my team play against the Crows, anytime, anywhere, anyplace, could you imagine me trying to brag to Topsy that we just beat a reserves side for a premiership.

And i wouldnt celebrate, in my cricket days i was lucky to win multiple premeirships one happended to be when we were an A Grade side in div3 playing mainly b grade sides, it is daylight behind the premiership i won playing a grade sides.

[kickinit]

Are you for real the only benefit you have is the clubs wouldnt have to have players dropping back to the their home club, a club that has potentially spent thousands on their development, players that have been 100 game players at their club, players that maybe premiership players at there club, players that may have extremly strong family ties to their club.



GAME SET AND MATCH.

and how many of those players are actually playing afll football in SA? and how many of those frequently play SANFl football? you currently have 4 players playing AFL 2 of which pretty much play every afl game and 1 of those that is from interstate.

and still havent answered my question, I've answered your even though you might not agree with me you can still answer mine. Or we will just have to go with that yes you would go and support your team in a grandfinal against the power or crows team and yes you would celebrate it.

[whufc]

Are you for real the only benefit you have is the clubs wouldnt have to have players dropping back to the their home club, a club that has potentially spent thousands on their development, players that have been 100 game players at their club, players that maybe premiership players at there club, players that may have extremly strong family ties to their club.



GAME SET AND MATCH.

and how many of those players are actually playing afll football in SA? and how many of those frequently play SANFl football? you currently have 4 players playing AFL 2 of which pretty much play every afl game and 1 of those that is from interstate.

and still havent answered my question, I've answered your even though you might not agree with me you can still answer mine. Or we will just have to go with that yes you would go and support your team in a grandfinal against the power or crows team and yes you would celebrate it.

re read my post mate i clearly answered.

Also you realise only 12 Crows players played league SANFL football last week. You expect us to put the comp at risk to please 12 footballers, this all considering the Crows are having a pretty decent injury run at the moment.

[therisingblues]

Kickinit, you still haven't answered

What are the benefits for the SANFL clubs, apart from financially.

Ill give u some clues as to who I speak to, they have a very very vey famous football name, they came to SA this year, they were involved with the kangas before the power and they play district cricket for Port Adelaide.

going on to me I still havent answered, i've asked you the question twice and it's a simple yes or no.

clubs won't have to have players coming and going from there league side to the afl side. clubs won't have to play a player in a certain position because his afl club wants him to play that position. clubs won't have to drop a player that is inform because a afl player is coming back into their side. clubs won't have to play players for half a game only because he is just coming back from injury. And if you don't think they are good enough reasons, then why for many years have we heard these "die hard" sanfl fans complain about it. Now your club gets to go about it's own business without having to worry about what the crows or power want to their players to do.

All of the above could also be delivered just by getting rid of the AFL players in our comp! hence adding specific reserves teams DOES NOT help any of the points above. If we had a choice between the scenarios we'd choose A: leave it as it is.2nd choice B: have reserves elsewhere (this'd serve your list of advantagesleu wanted option C: have AFL reserves side in SANFL league (cutting off one's nose to spite one's face if your "benefits" are considered.)
Also, most of the above is a double edged sword. No we don't like an AFL player disrupting the side, but it's very hard not to appreciate the likes of (for example) Jaensch bolstering our playing list for 2 or 3 games.
The SANFL coaches don't have to put AFL listed players in requested positions, and until this 1 club merde came along there was no penalty. There are requests, but the coaches do what's best for the side to win.

[Jimmy]

Yep that's why I'm so anti AFL in SA!

There are so many different options they can use without having to stuff up the SANFL to get their dream of having 'reserves teams'

Their only reason the State Leagues is there preferred option is because its the cheapest despite the billions they make.

So if your so anti AFL in SA why do you follow the SANFL, seeing as the SNAFL follow the rules of the game set out by the AFL, whether you like it or no the SANFL are aligned to the AFL and always will be. I'm sure you won't mind the $4.5million the SANFL CLUBS are suppose to receive from the AO move. So if your so anti AFL i'm sure you want the SANFL to cut all ties with the AFL? no just the ones you don't agree with?

Whose to say the crows and power having reserve side's is going to stuff up the SANFL? It's not going to cost any other club any extra, there will still a premiership to play for and your team will still be playing for you to go and support. The only thing that will stuff up the SANFL is if the fans turn to cry babies and say i'm not attending because the power and crows have a reserve team.

Yes your allowed a opinion and of course you don't have to agree with everything the sanfl or afl do. But at the end of the day will you really turn your back on your club if the crows and power have a reserve side?

You still don't get it. Serious question. Are you under 21? Do you even understand the argument here?

I doubt you ever will, even if it's laid out in pictures.

[Pseudo]

Your using facts from a league in a completely different state.

That's rich, coming from a bloke whose chief argument in favour of AFL reserves teams here boils down to "but they have them in Victoria".

Game, set, match, and a soundtrack of Venus Williams' grunts. You've been aced.

[kickinit]

Are you for real the only benefit you have is the clubs wouldnt have to have players dropping back to the their home club, a club that has potentially spent thousands on their development, players that have been 100 game players at their club, players that maybe premiership players at there club, players that may have extremly strong family ties to their club.

We should give up our soul for that...................................................!



GAME SET AND MATCH.

And to answer your question NO i will not watch my team play against the Crows, anytime, anywhere, anyplace, could you imagine me trying to brag to Topsy that we just beat a reserves side for a premiership.

And i wouldnt celebrate, in my cricket days i was lucky to win multiple premeirships one happended to be when we were an A Grade side in div3 playing mainly b grade sides, it is daylight behind the premiership i won playing a grade sides.

I would of thought it would give you more braging rights playing a side that half it's players have AFL contracts compared to a team that doesn't have any.

So out of this your only reason why it would be bad for the SANFL is that
1- The team MIGHT only worry about player development
2- you MIGHT have to play against 1 or 2 kids that where centrals jnr's, which they could also have grown up supporting another SANFl team, and possible of actually being a bigger fan of the AFL side they are contracted to rather then the SANFL side?

[kickinit]

Your using facts from a league in a completely different state.

That's rich, coming from a bloke whose chief argument in favour of AFL reserves teams here boils down to "but they have them in Victoria".

Game, set, match, and a soundtrack of Venus Williams' grunts. You've been aced.

um were have i said "but they have them in Victoria"

[tigers34738586]

Personally wish there wasn't any AFL in this state, but there is, and afraid not much any of us can do about it... but would prefer them not to be in the S.A.N.F.L. at all

[Pseudo]

Your using facts from a league in a completely different state.

That's rich, coming from a bloke whose chief argument in favour of AFL reserves teams here boils down to "but they have them in Victoria".

Game, set, match, and a soundtrack of Venus Williams' grunts. You've been aced.

um were have i said "but they have them in Victoria"

Not familiar with common English idoms, are you beeny?

[kickinit]

You still don't get it. Serious question. Are you under 21? Do you even understand the argument here?

I doubt you ever will, even if it's laid out in pictures.

I do understand the argument here. But if this does happen it's more then likely going to be 6 games of the year where 8 sanfl sides have to play the crows and power. So you take away those games and what about the rest. Does it mean because the crows and power are in the comp no one will turn up to a centrals eagle game or a west norwood game? Does it mean when 2 sides are playing in a grandfinal whether it be against the afl sides or sanfl sides you wouldn't go and support your team? Does it mean North supporters won't go to the game on sunday because Aaron young is playing for the magpies?

[kickinit]

Your using facts from a league in a completely different state.

That's rich, coming from a bloke whose chief argument in favour of AFL reserves teams here boils down to "but they have them in Victoria".

Game, set, match, and a soundtrack of Venus Williams' grunts. You've been aced.

um were have i said "but they have them in Victoria"

Not familiar with common English idoms, are you beeny?

I do but I still don't get where you think my argument is based around because the vfl have them.

[Pseudo]

Not familiar with common English idoms, are you beeny?

I do but I still don't get where you think my argument is based around because the vfl have them.

I thought you were beenreal Apologies.

[Jimmy]

You still don't get it. Serious question. Are you under 21? Do you even understand the argument here?

I doubt you ever will, even if it's laid out in pictures.

I do understand the argument here. But if this does happen it's more then likely going to be 6 games of the year where 8 sanfl sides have to play the crows and power. So you take away those games and what about the rest. Does it mean because the crows and power are in the comp no one will turn up to a centrals eagle game or a west norwood game? Does it mean when 2 sides are playing in a grandfinal whether it be against the afl sides or sanfl sides you wouldn't go and support your team? Does it mean North supporters won't go to the game on sunday because Aaron young is playing for the magpies?

Fk me dead. No you don't get it. You are incapable of getting it.

Do you know what 'compromised' means? forget about who plays who and the impact at club level. Think about it at a competition level.

[kickinit]

You still don't get it. Serious question. Are you under 21? Do you even understand the argument here?

I doubt you ever will, even if it's laid out in pictures.

I do understand the argument here. But if this does happen it's more then likely going to be 6 games of the year where 8 sanfl sides have to play the crows and power. So you take away those games and what about the rest. Does it mean because the crows and power are in the comp no one will turn up to a centrals eagle game or a west norwood game? Does it mean when 2 sides are playing in a grandfinal whether it be against the afl sides or sanfl sides you wouldn't go and support your team? Does it mean North supporters won't go to the game on sunday because Aaron young is playing for the magpies?

Fk me dead. No you don't get it. You are incapable of getting it.

Do you know what 'compromised' means? forget about who plays who and the impact at club level. Think about it at a competition level.

What will happen at competition level? No one can be 100% sure what is going to happen. But just for argument sakes if your assumption of what is going happen does, what impact will that have on the competition level when the 8 teams aren't playing the AFL teams? Wouldn't you think the crows and power want their players in the reserve side playing their best footy? don't you think when that reserve side walks on to that oval the only thing on their mind is about play their best game and winning?

[tigers34738586]

Must say...I know of quite a few people who have stated that if there are Crows and Port reserve sides in the SANFL that they will stop following it

[whufc]

You still don't get it. Serious question. Are you under 21? Do you even understand the argument here?

I doubt you ever will, even if it's laid out in pictures.

I do understand the argument here. But if this does happen it's more then likely going to be 6 games of the year where 8 sanfl sides have to play the crows and power. So you take away those games and what about the rest. Does it mean because the crows and power are in the comp no one will turn up to a centrals eagle game or a west norwood game? Does it mean when 2 sides are playing in a grandfinal whether it be against the afl sides or sanfl sides you wouldn't go and support your team? Does it mean North supporters won't go to the game on sunday because Aaron young is playing for the magpies?

Fk me dead. No you don't get it. You are incapable of getting it.

Do you know what 'compromised' means? forget about who plays who and the impact at club level. Think about it at a competition level.

What will happen at competition level? No one can be 100% sure what is going to happen. But just for argument sakes if your assumption of what is going happen does, what impact will that have on the competition level when the 8 teams aren't playing the AFL teams? Wouldn't you think the crows and power want their players in the reserve side playing their best footy? don't you think when that reserve side walks on to that oval the only thing on their mind is about play their best game and winning?

Your still not getting it.

Its not just as simple as going ok next year the Crows/Power are playing in the league competition and everything stays the same except there is an extra game

That means it will be a 10 team comp, 2 of which wont have SANFL reserves sides, so at some point your reserves are going to have to play away from their league side. Also its well known the SANFL players who are only part time footballers enjoy the bye break giving them chances to go back and see family etc etc

Also are we going to move the SANFL season time frame around. Remembering as it stands the SANFL season goes a week later than the AFL season, eg, if the Crows AFL side failed to make the finals and the Crows reserve side made it to the SANFL final are they going to allow the extra players to play over a month longer than the rest of the list.

They are going to need somewhere around 10-15 top up players, where do these come from, are the SANFL clubs expected to give players up there.

Where are the Crows reserves going to play.

Throw in the fact there is all this to consider and the only benefit which is according to kickinit is that we wont have the hassle of having to make 1-2 changes a week which in actual fact the clubs really enjoy.

i could go on and on with other things that would have to change.

[CUTTERMAN]

Kickinit.
Lets forget about AFL, SANFL, PAFC and AFC.
Let us say, for example, you barracked for a team called The Wombats and I supported The Kookaburras, both have played in the same State Champions League for over 100 years, however the Kookaburras are now privately owned and are funded to participate in the newly formed Foxtel National Champions League.
The Wombats have a salary cap of $400k, have no possibility of drafting players from the Foxtel National Champions League Draft, (which is a draft of the nations best players young and old), they have no direct funding from the National Football Board (who oversee the game) and do not play in the Foxtel National Champions League.
The Kookaburras have a team in the SCL and in the FNCL. Due to participating in the FNCL they receive dividends at the end of each season from the NFB, these dividends amount to about 10million per year. The Kookaburras have a salary cap of 5million and access to the FNCL Draft in which they drafted 4 of The Wombats' best players from the previous year. All 4 are sons of previous Wombat greats, however, sadly they will never play for The Wombats again.
As a Wombats supporter Kickinit, do you think this is a fair playing field?
As a Wombats supporter Kickinit, are you happy with this outcome?
As a Wombats supporter Kickinit, do you feel cheated and dudded by the new rules that give the Wombats a massive handicap from the outset?

[CUTTERMAN]

Kickinit. Due to the unfair playing field between a Power or Adelaide reserves team and the other SANFL clubs (as I've tried to outline to you above, salary caps, drafts etc), would you accept that both AFL reserves clubs never play for points in the SANFL as a compromise?

[kickinit]

Your still not getting it.

Its not just as simple as going ok next year the Crows/Power are playing in the league competition and everything stays the same except there is an extra game

That means it will be a 10 team comp, 2 of which wont have SANFL reserves sides, so at some point your reserves are going to have to play away from their league side. Also its well known the SANFL players who are only part time footballers enjoy the bye break giving them chances to go back and see family etc etc

Also are we going to move the SANFL season time frame around. Remembering as it stands the SANFL season goes a week later than the AFL season, eg, if the Crows AFL side failed to make the finals and the Crows reserve side made it to the SANFL final are they going to allow the extra players to play over a month longer than the rest of the list.

They are going to need somewhere around 10-15 top up players, where do these come from, are the SANFL clubs expected to give players up there.

Where are the Crows reserves going to play.

Throw in the fact there is all this to consider and the only benefit which is according to kickinit is that we wont have the hassle of having to make 1-2 changes a week which in actual fact the clubs really enjoy.

i could go on and on with other things that would have to change.

I'm still not getting it but you bring something completely different to the table?

If the crows where to have a reserves side in the league division then they should have a team team in the reserve division as well. Can still have the bye, the AFl have a even amount of teams and have a bye round. Could be split over 2 rounds like the AFL could all be at once or could even be 2 teams at a time.

Do you really think if the crows reserve made finals and the afl didn't the crows will nope our players ain't playing and pull the pin? yeh don't think that will happen.

Why would sanfl clubs have to give up players. They will get players that haven't been selected by a sanfl club. pick up players from other clubs that want to move. or recruit players from interstate. Just like every sanfl clubs does now when they need to fill a spot.

Crows reserves can use aami stadium or they can use adelaide oval if it isn't being used on a saturday. if they really wanted to they could build their own in years to come.

so in the future we won't hear any complaining about players being moved in and out or only playing certain game time and what not?