I need to know....

[whufc]

Is the AFL celebrating Indiginous Round, they seem to be only celebrating Aboriginal People, there not the only Indiginous people in the AFL!

I'm confused, who would be the other indigenous people not being celebrated?

I'm lead to believe David Rodan is a indigenous Fijian

[Gozu]

Is the AFL celebrating Indiginous Round, they seem to be only celebrating Aboriginal People, there not the only Indiginous people in the AFL!

I think you're onto something, we should lobby the AFL for a 'white fellas round'. We're being oppressed.

[Q.]

white fella = not racist
black fella = racist

Something to do with the history of genocide and oppression perhaps.

jews say hi

6 million slaughtered at the hands of nazi germany, i have researched this and what happened is beyond imagination

The death toll from four centuries of the Atlantic slave trade is estimated at 10 million.

[The Sleeping Giant]

white fella = not racist
black fella = racist

Something to do with the history of genocide and oppression perhaps.

jews say hi

6 million slaughtered at the hands of nazi germany, i have researched this and what happened is beyond imagination

You can understand why they are a bit sensitive about it.

[The Sleeping Giant]

Is the AFL celebrating Indiginous Round, they seem to be only celebrating Aboriginal People, there not the only Indiginous people in the AFL!

Indigenous Australians champ. Think you are waiting for Multicultural Round.

[Psyber]

Having worked in blue collar industries all my life, I can assure you, the term Ape directed at a black person is racist.

I came from a traditional working class family, and had worked in blue collar industries between 1962 and 1966, as Uni student taking vacation jobs.

I didn't hear "ape" used as a racist term then, nor in the industry I've worked in since.
My peers use the word, rarely, and still in the traditional meaning.

But, I concede, there are multiple "worlds" in any society, and terms may be changed and used differently from one to the other.
Perhaps we have both overlooked that in this exchange, and perhaps some of our other disagreements on other threads have come from our different recent more recent perspectives.

[whufc]

Is the AFL celebrating Indiginous Round, they seem to be only celebrating Aboriginal People, there not the only Indiginous people in the AFL!

Indigenous Australians champ. Think you are waiting for Multicultural Round.

Ok fair enough, nothing I have seen or read in the advertising or marketing has had the 'Australian' part after Indigenous.

[The Sleeping Giant]

Is the AFL celebrating Indiginous Round, they seem to be only celebrating Aboriginal People, there not the only Indiginous people in the AFL!

Indigenous Australians champ. Think you are waiting for Multicultural Round.

Ok fair enough, nothing I have seen or read in the advertising or marketing has had the 'Australian' part after Indigenous.

Well the shot of Nicky Winmar should be a dead giveaway.

[whufc]

Is the AFL celebrating Indiginous Round, they seem to be only celebrating Aboriginal People, there not the only Indiginous people in the AFL!

Indigenous Australians champ. Think you are waiting for Multicultural Round.

Ok fair enough, nothing I have seen or read in the advertising or marketing has had the 'Australian' part after Indigenous.

Well the shot of Nicky Winmar should be a dead giveaway.

I just thought it was about inclusion and not discriminating some indigenous people from other indigenous people.

Obviously I was wrong

[Psyber]

white fella = not racist
black fella = racist

Something to do with the history of genocide and oppression perhaps.

jews say hi

My Jewish friends, here and in Melbourne, tell great Jewish jokes, and tend to see those, other than the very elderly in their community, who are still obsessed with the Holocaust as being a bit precious - I guess time helps perspective.

PS: I do intend to vote for recognising the previous occupants of our country in the constitution - I'm just concerned about obsessive and distorted political correctness.

[Gozu]

Classy, Psyber.

[The Sleeping Giant]

Having worked in blue collar industries all my life, I can assure you, the term Ape directed at a black person is racist.

I came from a traditional working class family, and had worked in blue collar industries between 1962 and 1966, as Uni student taking vacation jobs.

I didn't hear "ape" used as a racist term then, nor in the industry I've worked in since.
My peers use the word, rarely, and still in the traditional meaning.

But, I concede, there are multiple "worlds" in any society, and terms may be changed and used differently from one to the other.
Perhaps we have both overlooked that in this exchange, and perhaps some of our other disagreements on other threads have come from our different recent more recent perspectives.

I don't know you Psyber, but it is fairly obvious you are a well educated, upper middle class older gentleman. Have no problem with that, in fact good on you. I hope to be that as well one day.

My grandparents were lovely people, who never swore or drank, went to church semi regularly, and did very well for themselves. But my god were they racist. Most of the time they didn't even realise it. Us grandkids were always telling them you can't say that. It's just the way things were.

[Gozu]

My grandparents were lovely people, who never swore or drank, went to church semi regularly, and did very well for themselves. But my god were they racist. Most of the time they didn't even realise it. Us grandkids were always telling them you can't say that. It's just the way things were.

Too true older people sometimes don't even realise they're being racist. My mother has a heart of gold, church going and all that but if driving along or something if she still sees a very dark black guy like Sudanese etc she still says "Oh look at him he's as black as the ace of spades". All of her older brother's who are well into their 70's still talk like that too. They're from a different time and place and no matter how much you pull them up there is only so much you can do.

[Squids]

My grandparents aren't great fans of Germans.

[Psyber]

It is interesting, this whole different worlds thing.

My father was a country boy from Moonta Mines, whose parents came from Cornwall, and my mother a Pom from Sheffield - both left school at 14.
I never heard a racist remark from either of them, but some of the cousins on my mother's side displayed it occasionally.
(Those from the excessively drinking branch of the family. )

A friend of my older sister had a younger sister, who was an adopted aboriginal girl - one of the "stolen generation".
She got a University education, married an Engineer, and moved to Canada with him. (Her adoptive father worked in the Physics Department as a technician.)

Our immediate neighbours, when I was a child growing up in Bowden, were an elderly childless couple.
"Joe", as he insisted I called him, had been born in Glenelg in 1872, when it was a separate town and had been a Blacksmith there.
Neither he nor his wife ever said racially critical things that I heard either, though he referred to women's breasts as "nungies".

I agree terms like "black as the Ace of Spades" were about the society, but seemed to be descriptive terms rather than meant as down-putting - rather like "white as a sheet" which is still in use, and which I still see as descriptive, not racist.

Can one describe skin colour with being racist?
I would have thought so. ( I'm a light tan, with grey-green eyes myself.)

[cennals05]

no need to be like that tsg, this is a forum and we all have an opinion, you seem to be the lone voice

No he's not a lone voice. I am astounded that people that aren't indigenous think they can tell someone who is when they should or should not be offended.

[Psyber]

no need to be like that tsg, this is a forum and we all have an opinion, you seem to be the lone voice

No he's not a lone voice. I am astounded that people that aren't indigenous think they can tell someone who is when they should or should not be offended.

Just because somebody is offended by something doesn't make it actually, and objectively, offensive.
Over-sensitive people do, however, have the right to feel offended by things because they have projected on to them meanings that don't actually exist.
Others, of course, have a similar right to see them as over-reacting and mis-reading the implications, or even being a bit precious...

[The Sleeping Giant]

Calling an Aboriginal an ape IS offensive to Aboriginal people.

[Psyber]

Calling an Aboriginal an ape IS offensive to Aboriginal people.

Calling anyone an ape IS offensive, no matter who they are.
In some cases some of us may, privately, think it may be more offensive to the apes.
(Then the speaker could be accused of Specism!)

[The Sleeping Giant]

I don't find it offensive. Call me what you like, just don't call me late for breakfast.