AFL Reserves Discussion...

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Are you in favour of the proposal for the Crows Reserves to join the SANFL League competition?

Yes
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No
148
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Not fussed either way
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Re: AFL Reserves Discussion...

Postby kickinit » Mon Jun 03, 2013 12:56 pm

whufc wrote:
kickinit wrote:
am Bays wrote:http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/sa-football-comission-handballs-crows-reserves-decision-to-sanfl-clubs/story-fn83zgrc-1226655450901

Rucci's nailed it finally after 20 odd years of trying to be a journalist.

The only acceptable compromise to this whole issue, IMO. 8 team SANFL League, 10 team ressies with the Power and Crows "Academy" sides, and an 8 team 18s. Feel sorry for the genuine Magpies supporters though.


whats the difference between them being in the reserves comp or league comp? if it's about keeping the integrity of the SANFL then why is it better for them to play in a reserves over a league comp.


Your not serious are you!!!


come on tell me your reason why you would rather them in the reserves comp then the league comp.
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Re: AFL Reserves Discussion...

Postby Jim05 » Mon Jun 03, 2013 1:04 pm

CENTURION wrote:I'm referring mainly to the local competition, which USED to be very strong & full of kids, but now parts of Salisbury North & Salisbury aren't in Our zone.........for now :)

Ah yes forgot about that gold mine
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Re: AFL Reserves Discussion...

Postby Wedgie » Mon Jun 03, 2013 1:05 pm

kickinit wrote:
am Bays wrote:http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/sa-football-comission-handballs-crows-reserves-decision-to-sanfl-clubs/story-fn83zgrc-1226655450901

Rucci's nailed it finally after 20 odd years of trying to be a journalist.

The only acceptable compromise to this whole issue, IMO. 8 team SANFL League, 10 team ressies with the Power and Crows "Academy" sides, and an 8 team 18s. Feel sorry for the genuine Magpies supporters though.


whats the difference between them being in the reserves comp or league comp? if it's about keeping the integrity of the SANFL then why is it better for them to play in a reserves over a league comp.

OK. Bad troll it is as no one could be stupid enough to ask that seriously.
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Re: AFL Reserves Discussion...

Postby Aerie » Mon Jun 03, 2013 1:09 pm

kickinit wrote:
whufc wrote:
kickinit wrote:
am Bays wrote:http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/sa-football-comission-handballs-crows-reserves-decision-to-sanfl-clubs/story-fn83zgrc-1226655450901

Rucci's nailed it finally after 20 odd years of trying to be a journalist.

The only acceptable compromise to this whole issue, IMO. 8 team SANFL League, 10 team ressies with the Power and Crows "Academy" sides, and an 8 team 18s. Feel sorry for the genuine Magpies supporters though.


whats the difference between them being in the reserves comp or league comp? if it's about keeping the integrity of the SANFL then why is it better for them to play in a reserves over a league comp.


Your not serious are you!!!


come on tell me your reason why you would rather them in the reserves comp then the league comp.


Reserves = development competition for development teams.
League = premiership one and only goal.

There are too many reasons to list why having Crows and Power reserves in the SANFL league strikes at the integrity of the competition. You can find most of these reasons by reading this thread and the many others on the subject.
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Re: AFL Reserves Discussion...

Postby kickinit » Mon Jun 03, 2013 1:12 pm

Aerie wrote:Reserves = development competition for development teams.
League = premiership one and only goal.

There are too many reasons to list why having Crows and Power reserves in the SANFL league strikes at the integrity of the competition. You can find most of these reasons by reading this thread and the many others on the subject.


so your saying your club doesn't care what happens to your reserves side and only cares about it's league? Pretty sure those guys playing week in week out in the reserves side would want to win a flag.
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Re: AFL Reserves Discussion...

Postby Aerie » Mon Jun 03, 2013 1:17 pm

PhilH wrote:Foot-e Times covered it a fair bit in depth last year and ran a readers survey this season.

Maybe we should have a readers questions issue, readers ask questions and the panel does some research work to try & answer them.


Yes, this would be great. Can you set up a thread/email or whatever, so we can all fire away questions and then you can try and get answers to the questions you deem appropriate? This would be brilliant.

I understand from listening to Olsen's interview the other day that all questions won't be able to be answered fully, but they can at least give a response that illustrates consideration to the matter.

Could format as below and then people on this site and your readership could pass on to you:

Question to (i.e. SANFL admin, Port Power, Crows, AFL, SANFL clubs, SANFL players): _________
Question for Foot-e-times to ask: __________?
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Re: AFL Reserves Discussion...

Postby Aerie » Mon Jun 03, 2013 1:21 pm

kickinit wrote:
Aerie wrote:Reserves = development competition for development teams.
League = premiership one and only goal.

There are too many reasons to list why having Crows and Power reserves in the SANFL league strikes at the integrity of the competition. You can find most of these reasons by reading this thread and the many others on the subject.


so your saying your club doesn't care what happens to your reserves side and only cares about it's league? Pretty sure those guys playing week in week out in the reserves side would want to win a flag.


All the reserves players should be playing to get a chance to play league. Of course on the day they want to win the game and their aim would be finals and a premiership. But, this path is compromised along the way in order to satisfy the needs of the league team. Yes, by having Crows & Power reserves it would also compromise the SANFL Reserves competition and in some way that effects the league too, but it is by far and away the best case scenario for those who have the SANFL's best interests at heart.
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Re: AFL Reserves Discussion...

Postby Lynwood » Mon Jun 03, 2013 1:25 pm

kickinit wrote:
Aerie wrote:Reserves = development competition for development teams.
League = premiership one and only goal.

There are too many reasons to list why having Crows and Power reserves in the SANFL league strikes at the integrity of the competition. You can find most of these reasons by reading this thread and the many others on the subject.


so your saying your club doesn't care what happens to your reserves side and only cares about it's league? Pretty sure those guys playing week in week out in the reserves side would want to win a flag.


That is why Port delisted about 8 Reserves before the finals a few years ago to bring U18 guys up stating that the reserves success is not important and it was better to bring the young guys up to get experience even if we then lost in the first week of the ressies finals
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Re: AFL Reserves Discussion...

Postby CENTURION » Mon Jun 03, 2013 1:26 pm

kickinit wrote:
Aerie wrote:Reserves = development competition for development teams.
League = premiership one and only goal.

There are too many reasons to list why having Crows and Power reserves in the SANFL league strikes at the integrity of the competition. You can find most of these reasons by reading this thread and the many others on the subject.


so your saying your club doesn't care what happens to your reserves side and only cares about it's league? Pretty sure those guys playing week in week out in the reserves side would want to win a flag.

The Club is greater than the individual & the aim of The Club is to win A Grade Premierships. It's nice to win reserves premierships but can you remember who won the 1998 ressies flag? the 2000 ressies flag?
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Re: AFL Reserves Discussion...

Postby CENTURION » Mon Jun 03, 2013 1:27 pm

kickinit wrote:
Aerie wrote:Reserves = development competition for development teams.
League = premiership one and only goal.

There are too many reasons to list why having Crows and Power reserves in the SANFL league strikes at the integrity of the competition. You can find most of these reasons by reading this thread and the many others on the subject.


so your saying your club doesn't care what happens to your reserves side and only cares about it's league? Pretty sure those guys playing week in week out in the reserves side would want to win a flag.

The Power won't care if their ressies side, the Maggies, wins a flag.
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Re: AFL Reserves Discussion...

Postby Lynwood » Mon Jun 03, 2013 1:29 pm

CENTURION wrote:
kickinit wrote:
Aerie wrote:Reserves = development competition for development teams.
League = premiership one and only goal.

There are too many reasons to list why having Crows and Power reserves in the SANFL league strikes at the integrity of the competition. You can find most of these reasons by reading this thread and the many others on the subject.


so your saying your club doesn't care what happens to your reserves side and only cares about it's league? Pretty sure those guys playing week in week out in the reserves side would want to win a flag.

The Club is greater than the individual & the aim of The Club is to win A Grade Premierships. It's nice to win reserves premierships but can you remember who won the 1998 ressies flag? the 2000 ressies flag?


I remember the 97 reserves flag and only because of the Video I have of a very drunk Tim Ginever and Barry Curtain dubbing over the commentary while consuming a carton of West End. The best parts are when you hear them cracking them open while simply taking the Piss out of all the Magpie Players.
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Re: AFL Reserves Discussion...

Postby beenreal » Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:37 pm

on the rails wrote:
kickinit wrote:
am Bays wrote:http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/sa-football-comission-handballs-crows-reserves-decision-to-sanfl-clubs/story-fn83zgrc-1226655450901

Rucci's nailed it finally after 20 odd years of trying to be a journalist.

The only acceptable compromise to this whole issue, IMO. 8 team SANFL League, 10 team ressies with the Power and Crows "Academy" sides, and an 8 team 18s. Feel sorry for the genuine Magpies supporters though.


whats the difference between them being in the reserves comp or league comp? if it's about keeping the integrity of the SANFL then why is it better for them to play in a reserves over a league comp.


Should WE (as in the normal intelligent non selfish SANFL diehards / fans) bother to respond to this or let it slide?

My god how can one person be so thick?


I don't know? Perhaps you'd like to fill us in from your expertise ONR.

Having half a Reserves side to select from is going to negatively effect the Magpies League side. Thus compromising the competition.

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Re: AFL Reserves Discussion...

Postby heater31 » Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:41 pm

beenreal wrote:
on the rails wrote:
kickinit wrote:
am Bays wrote:http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/sa-football-comission-handballs-crows-reserves-decision-to-sanfl-clubs/story-fn83zgrc-1226655450901

Rucci's nailed it finally after 20 odd years of trying to be a journalist.

The only acceptable compromise to this whole issue, IMO. 8 team SANFL League, 10 team ressies with the Power and Crows "Academy" sides, and an 8 team 18s. Feel sorry for the genuine Magpies supporters though.


whats the difference between them being in the reserves comp or league comp? if it's about keeping the integrity of the SANFL then why is it better for them to play in a reserves over a league comp.


Should WE (as in the normal intelligent non selfish SANFL diehards / fans) bother to respond to this or let it slide?

My god how can one person be so thick?


I don't know? Perhaps you'd like to fill us in from your expertise ONR.

Having half a Reserves side to select from is going to negatively effect the Magpies League side. Thus compromising the competition.

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Well that is because you wanted 1 club and your own AFL reserves so the rest of us are not going to lose sleep over it.

Can't have your cake and eat it too.....
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Re: AFL Reserves Discussion...

Postby beenreal » Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:01 pm

heater31 wrote:
beenreal wrote:
on the rails wrote:
Should WE (as in the normal intelligent non selfish SANFL diehards / fans) bother to respond to this or let it slide?

My god how can one person be so thick?


I don't know? Perhaps you'd like to fill us in from your expertise ONR.

Having half a Reserves side to select from is going to negatively effect the Magpies League side. Thus compromising the competition.

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Well that is because you wanted 1 club and your own AFL reserves so the rest of us are not going to lose sleep over it.

Can't have your cake and eat it too.....
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Right back atcha. You mob all want an uncompromising competition, but are willing to let the Magpies become easy beats. Let's not forget the percentage implications across the League.

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Re: AFL Reserves Discussion...

Postby MightyEagles » Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:05 pm

A clubs goal is to win a League Flag, if that can't happen, then they can take a Reserves, if both of those Can't happen, then an u18s flag would do. I remember the 2000 u17s, u19s and reserves flags went to the Eagles.
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Re: AFL Reserves Discussion...

Postby PatowalongaPirate » Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:12 pm

The idea is that the magpies become the power reserves in the SANFL reserves comp. No more magpie league side. That cake would taste pretty good.
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Re: AFL Reserves Discussion...

Postby kickinit » Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:28 pm

PatowalongaPirate wrote:The idea is that the magpies become the power reserves in the SANFL reserves comp. No more magpie league side. That cake would taste pretty good.


If the power had a reserves side in the sanfl reserves comp why would they need to get rid off the league side?
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Re: AFL Reserves Discussion...

Postby CENTURION » Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:33 pm

kickinit wrote:
PatowalongaPirate wrote:The idea is that the magpies become the power reserves in the SANFL reserves comp. No more magpie league side. That cake would taste pretty good.


If the power had a reserves side in the sanfl reserves comp why would they need to get rid off the league side?

because...................the current Maggies league side would become the reserves side to The Power, in the SANFL reserves.
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Re: AFL Reserves Discussion...

Postby beenreal » Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:55 pm

PatowalongaPirate wrote:The idea is that the magpies become the power reserves in the SANFL reserves comp. No more magpie league side. That cake would taste pretty good.


1990 still cuts pretty deep doesn't it. 8)
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Re: AFL Reserves Discussion...

Postby Jim05 » Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:57 pm

kickinit wrote:
PatowalongaPirate wrote:The idea is that the magpies become the power reserves in the SANFL reserves comp. No more magpie league side. That cake would taste pretty good.


If the power had a reserves side in the sanfl reserves comp why would they need to get rid off the league side?


I know speaking to one club official (not Norwood BTW) that believes very strongly that one of the conditions of Port entering a AFL reserves side into the SANFL reserves comp will be that all other Port sides must be withdrawn from the comp. As he has stated several times before, no other AFL club has an U18's or U16's so why should Port.
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