2013 Federal election - Rudd sets date as 7th September

[bulldogproud2]

Hear Hear, so nearly 60% of the electorate is stupid?? Any economic success Labor has had was built on the magnificent economy they inherited, it just proves how resilient our economy has been even with incompetents at the helm for 6 years, hopefully they'll be in opposition for a generation.

Absolute CARP, go back to the records and see what Tony Abbott stated at the time of the GFC. He stated that there was no way that Australia could avoid going into double-digit unemployment. The highest it reached in Australia was 6%. Even Mr. Abbott had to give praise to the Labor government, knowing that he could not run it anywhere near as well.
Edit: Although he may never have voiced it, what I meant was that if he was anticipating double digit unemployment and it only reached half this level, surely he should give credit where credit is due.
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[mick]

Hear Hear, so nearly 60% of the electorate is stupid?? Any economic success Labor has had was built on the magnificent economy they inherited, it just proves how resilient our economy has been even with incompetents at the helm for 6 years, hopefully they'll be in opposition for a generation.

Absolute CARP, go back to the records and see what Tony Abbott stated at the time of the GFC. He stated that there was no way that Australia could avoid going into double-digit unemployment. The highest it reached in Australia was 6%. Even Mr. Abbott had to give praise to the Labor government, knowing that he could not run it anywhere near as well.
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Please direct me to any Abbott statement praising this mob? Wishful thinking perhaps?

[bulldogproud2]

[quote="mickHear Hear, so nearly 60% of the electorate is stupid?? Any economic success Labor has had was built on the magnificent economy they inherited, it just proves how resilient our economy has been even with incompetents at the helm for 6 years, hopefully they'll be in opposition for a generation.[/quote]


Well, if 60% of the population say that Australia is a basket case economically, then yes, they are stupid!!
Compare Australia's economy against any other in the world.




Exactly the economy was in far better shape in 2007 yet Howard lost the election, the press had a lot to do with that Rudd was their poster boy and still is to a certain extent.[/quote][/quote][/quote]

I guess you never ever heard of the Global Financial Crisis, Mick?????

[mick]

[quote="mickHear Hear, so nearly 60% of the electorate is stupid?? Any economic success Labor has had was built on the magnificent economy they inherited, it just proves how resilient our economy has been even with incompetents at the helm for 6 years, hopefully they'll be in opposition for a generation.

Well, if 60% of the population say that Australia is a basket case economically, then yes, they are stupid!!
Compare Australia's economy against any other in the world.




Exactly the economy was in far better shape in 2007 yet Howard lost the election, the press had a lot to do with that Rudd was their poster boy and still is to a certain extent.[/quote][/quote][/quote]

I guess you never ever heard of the Global Financial Crisis, Mick?????[/quote]

The GFC hadn't occurred when Howard got thrown out.

[Trader]

The only reason the Carbon Tax was introduced was because of the Greens level of control. If Labor had won the election in their own right, there would have been an Emissions Trading Scheme, not a Carbon Tax.

Help me out here, I'm a little slow, doesn't that mean: the ALP were unable to govern effectively? - well let's give someone else a shot.

Secondly, Tony Abbott has promised to turn the boats back if he wins government. If he is unable to do this, he should be held as accountable as people are holding Julia Gillard for the Carbon Tax. Btw, he will not be able to do it - Indonesia has already slapped his wrist over this.

It's not just the carbon tax that has the electorate despising Julia. Let's not forget:
- Knifing the prime minister
- The real Julia scam
- Handling of boatpeople.
- Home Insulation Scheme
- Live exports backflips.
- The Craig Thompson issue, not to mention Peter Slipper.
- Reneging on the deal with Wilkie to tackle Problem Gambling.
- Building Education Revolution.
- The legal issues she had over creating slush funds for union officials.
- The Mining Rent Tax.
- Promising a surplus then failing to deliver.

I'm sure there are others but you get the picture.

And on the surplus, they then came out saying government revenue had decreased and that's why they couldn't deliver the surplus, however when pressed on the issue, they once again backfliped and admitted government revenue had increased 6, 9 and 6% over the last three year.

If Tony makes that many major blunders, expect the electorate to treat him with the same level of distain.

[bulldogproud2]

You may wish to read the following article:

http://www.independentaustralia.net/201 ... rkie-pies/

[mick]

You may wish to read the following article:

http://www.independentaustralia.net/201 ... rkie-pies/

Believe a lefty rag!!!! independent my arse, yep nasty old Rupert up to his old tricks, did you know that bastard put Whitlam in?

[bulldogproud2]

The only reason the Carbon Tax was introduced was because of the Greens level of control. If Labor had won the election in their own right, there would have been an Emissions Trading Scheme, not a Carbon Tax.

Help me out here, I'm a little slow, doesn't that mean: the ALP were unable to govern effectively? - well let's give someone else a shot.

Secondly, Tony Abbott has promised to turn the boats back if he wins government. If he is unable to do this, he should be held as accountable as people are holding Julia Gillard for the Carbon Tax. Btw, he will not be able to do it - Indonesia has already slapped his wrist over this.

It's not just the carbon tax that has the electorate despising Julia. Let's not forget:
- Knifing the prime minister (compare that against knifing Malcolm Turnbull)
- The real Julia scam (silly comment but a storm in the teacup, had no relationship to ability to govern)
- Handling of boatpeople. (I agree, both parties have acted very inhumanely on this)
- Home Insulation Scheme (not the best of policies, agreed. However, surely the businesses who did the shonky installations really should be the ones criticised. The Labor government did not carry out the installation after all. It was an attempt to stimulate the economy, which was required after the GFC.)
- Live exports backflips. (Coalition promised exactly the same policies)
- The Craig Thompson issue, not to mention Peter Slipper. (Peter Slipper was a member of the Liberal Party, never a member of the Labor Party)
- Reneging on the deal with Wilkie to tackle Problem Gambling. (Abbott wants nothing done at all on gambling)
- Building Education Revolution. (A great success - ask those in any school nowadays. Yes, 2% of schools thought money could have been better spent, but all schools are enjoying the benefits now.)
- The legal issues she had over creating slush funds for union officials. (It was found she had no case to answer)
- The Mining Rent Tax. (Nothing wrong with it, except for the timing - low revenue receipts, should have been brought in earlier)
- Promising a surplus then failing to deliver. (The global economy changed, perfectly wise decision to not deliver the surplus. Any government that would have aimed to deliver a surplus in the end would have been in error - ask any economist.)

I'm sure there are others but you get the picture.

And on the surplus, they then came out saying government revenue had decreased and that's why they couldn't deliver the surplus, however when pressed on the issue, they once again backfliped and admitted government revenue had increased 6, 9 and 6% over the last three year. (Government revenue had decreased from those forecast)

If Tony makes that many major blunders, expect the electorate to treat him with the same level of distain.

[bulldogproud2]

[quote="mickHear Hear, so nearly 60% of the electorate is stupid?? Any economic success Labor has had was built on the magnificent economy they inherited, it just proves how resilient our economy has been even with incompetents at the helm for 6 years, hopefully they'll be in opposition for a generation.

Well, if 60% of the population say that Australia is a basket case economically, then yes, they are stupid!!
Compare Australia's economy against any other in the world.




Exactly the economy was in far better shape in 2007 yet Howard lost the election, the press had a lot to do with that Rudd was their poster boy and still is to a certain extent.

[/quote][/quote]



I guess you never ever heard of the Global Financial Crisis, Mick?????[/quote]

The GFC hadn't occurred when Howard got thrown out.[/quote]

Exactly, Howard lost the election over WorkChoices. However, a GFC has occurred since then. That is the reason the economy is not as strong as in 2007.

[bulldogproud2]

You may wish to read the following article:

http://www.independentaustralia.net/201 ... rkie-pies/

Believe a lefty rag!!!! independent my arse, yep nasty old Rupert up to his old tricks, did you know that bastard put Whitlam in?

Okay, you may question the editor of the paper, but please try to dispute any of the facts they give.
Cheers

[bulldogproud2]

You may wish to read the following article:

http://www.independentaustralia.net/201 ... rkie-pies/

Believe a lefty rag!!!! independent my arse, yep nasty old Rupert up to his old tricks, did you know that bastard put Whitlam in?

Okay, you may question the editor of the paper, but please try to dispute any of the facts they give.
Cheers

Not so much Rupert, more the shockjocks on the radio.

[mick]

You may wish to read the following article:

http://www.independentaustralia.net/201 ... rkie-pies/

Believe a lefty rag!!!! independent my arse, yep nasty old Rupert up to his old tricks, did you know that bastard put Whitlam in?

Okay, you may question the editor of the paper, but please try to dispute any of the facts they give.
Cheers

Not so much Rupert, more the shockjocks on the radio.

Yeah Rupert's not that bad occasionally he supports Labor Keep going mate not even Labor MPs are believing their own spin any more

[bulldogproud2]

Yeah Rupert's not that bad occasionally he supports Labor Keep going mate not even Labor MPs are believing their own spin any more

I don't care who Rupert supports. I just support the truth!

[bulldogproud2]

Yeah Rupert's not that bad occasionally he supports Labor Keep going mate not even Labor MPs are believing their own spin any more

I don't care who Rupert supports. I just support the truth!

Mick, I will reply to you in the future only if you can honestly try to refute those arguments made in the article that you refused to read simply because they challenged your views and would have made you think for a change.

Cheers

[Trader]

Secondly, Tony Abbott has promised to turn the boats back if he wins government. If he is unable to do this, he should be held as accountable as people are holding Julia Gillard for the Carbon Tax. Btw, he will not be able to do it - Indonesia has already slapped his wrist over this.

It's not just the carbon tax that has the electorate despising Julia. Let's not forget:
- Knifing the prime minister (compare that against knifing Malcolm Turnbull)
- The real Julia scam (remember the circumstances, and Tony Abbott's lies, that were the reason for this)
- Handling of boatpeople. (I agree, both parties have acted very inhumanely on this)
- Home Insulation Scheme (not the best of policies, agreed)
- Live exports backflips. (Coalition promised exactly the same policies)
- The Craig Thompson issue, not to mention Peter Slipper. (Peter Slipper was a member of the Liberal Party, never a member of the Labor Party)
- Reneging on the deal with Wilkie to tackle Problem Gambling. (Abbott wants nothing done at all on gambling)
- Building Education Revolution. (A great success - ask those in any school nowadays)
- The legal issues she had over creating slush funds for union officials. (Total hogwash - unsubstantiated, false)
- The Mining Rent Tax. (Nothing wrong with it, except for the timing - low revenue receipts, should have been brought in earlier)
- Promising a surplus then failing to deliver. (The global economy changed, perfectly wise decision to not deliver the surplus)

I'm sure there are others but you get the picture.

And on the surplus, they then came out saying government revenue had decreased and that's why they couldn't deliver the surplus, however when pressed on the issue, they once again backfliped and admitted government revenue had increased 6, 9 and 6% over the last three year. (Government revenue had decreased from those forecast)

If Tony makes that many major blunders, expect the electorate to treat him with the same level of distain.

The truth doesn't really matter. Votes will be based on the public perception, and the perception at the moment is she's stuffed up on all of the above.

[am Bays]

Mick, I will reply to you in the future only if you can honestly try to refute those arguments made in the article that you refused to read simply because they challenged your views and would have made you think for a change.

Cheers

Are you serious? Are your information sources so superior that it is those who may not share the same views as you that have to think??

Give these site a go and challenge your narrow minded view points big boy!!

http://australianconservative.com/

http://www.spectator.co.uk/australia/australia-leading-article/8917841/gonski-or-conski/

And yes Australias economy might be outperforming most of the other developed nations in the last five years (Seth Efrica, the UK, canada, NZ, the US) kudos to the current government but compare that to the last five years of the Howard Government. Australian Cumulative GDP growth 2003-2007 - 18 %, Australian cumulative GDP growth 2008-2012 8%. So compared to previous years the economy isn't performing as well as it did under Howard and Costello. http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4212882.html And yes this article goes on to show how the current governemnt out performs the Howard Government

Yes I only used a tiny bit of data but my point is any bit of data and statistics can be used in an argument to enhance it which measns claiming someone is "not thinking" because they don't believe your stats is grossly condescending and arrogant

PS not that I agree with any of those conserviative listed sites above but Lord don't be so high and mighty to dismiss someones opinions because they don't conform to your natural bias'

[mick]

Yeah Rupert's not that bad occasionally he supports Labor Keep going mate not even Labor MPs are believing their own spin any more

I don't care who Rupert supports. I just support the truth!

Mick, I will reply to you in the future only if you can honestly try to refute those arguments made in the article that you refused to read simply because they challenged your views and would have made you think for a change.

Cheers

I won't dignify that with an answer...... I did doh! No wonder I'm too stupid to vote ALP

[bulldogproud2]

Mick, I will reply to you in the future only if you can honestly try to refute those arguments made in the article that you refused to read simply because they challenged your views and would have made you think for a change.

Cheers

Are you serious? Are your information sources so superior that it is those who may not share the same views as you that have to think??

Give these site a go and challenge your narrow minded view points big boy!!

http://australianconservative.com/

http://www.spectator.co.uk/australia/australia-leading-article/8917841/gonski-or-conski/

And yes Australias economy might be outperforming most of the other developed nations in the last five years (Seth Efrica, the UK, canada, NZ, the US) kudos to the current government but compare that to the last five years of the Howard Government. Australian Cumulative GDP growth 2003-2007 - 18 %, Australian cumulative GDP growth 2008-2012 8%. So compared to previous years the economy isn't performing as well as it did under Howard and Costello. http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4212882.html And yes this article goes on to show how the current governemnt out performs the Howard Government

Yes I only used a tiny bit of data but my point is any bit of data and statistics can be used in an argument to enhance it which measns claiming someone is "not thinking" because they don't believe your stats is grossly condescending and arrogant

PS not that I agree with any of those conserviative listed sites above but Lord don't be so high and mighty to dismiss someones opinions because they don't conform to your natural bias'

Unfortunately you missed my point completely, amBays. If you look at all of Mick's postings above, not once did he provide any basis for his reasoning. His argument was just along the lines 'if 60% of the population vote Liberal, then the Liberal Party is obviously correct'. I certainly applaud those who provided reasonings for their arguments, as a number did above. However, I will not waste my time on anyone who only makes emotive comments and gives no reason for backing them up. His attitude of saying that if a paper gives a 'leftwing view' he won't even look at it was the reason I decided to not want to reply to his views. I will happily (and do) read any article someone refers me to. I will always provide reasoning for my viewpoints. Unfortunately, Mick has provided no reasonings at all, just emotive comments.

I will listen to and respond to all viewpoints. What I won't respond to is emotive statements, made without any attempt to provide reasonings.

Cheers

[bulldogproud2]

Mick, I will reply to you in the future only if you can honestly try to refute those arguments made in the article that you refused to read simply because they challenged your views and would have made you think for a change.

Cheers

Are you serious? Are your information sources so superior that it is those who may not share the same views as you that have to think??

Give these site a go and challenge your narrow minded view points big boy!!

http://australianconservative.com/

http://www.spectator.co.uk/australia/australia-leading-article/8917841/gonski-or-conski/

And yes Australias economy might be outperforming most of the other developed nations in the last five years (Seth Efrica, the UK, canada, NZ, the US) kudos to the current government but compare that to the last five years of the Howard Government. Australian Cumulative GDP growth 2003-2007 - 18 %, Australian cumulative GDP growth 2008-2012 8%. So compared to previous years the economy isn't performing as well as it did under Howard and Costello. http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4212882.html And yes this article goes on to show how the current governemnt out performs the Howard Government

Yes I only used a tiny bit of data but my point is any bit of data and statistics can be used in an argument to enhance it which measns claiming someone is "not thinking" because they don't believe your stats is grossly condescending and arrogant

PS not that I agree with any of those conserviative listed sites above but Lord don't be so high and mighty to dismiss someones opinions because they don't conform to your natural bias'

Mick started off by saying that the Labor government were incompetent in the way they managed the economy. Using the article you asked me to look at I quote the following:

'The Howard government managed the macro-economy well during internationally prosperous times and the ALP Government since November 2007 has managed it well during a period when the world's economy peeked into the abyss.

To argue we haven't done well since 2008 requires either mendacity or a supreme level of wilful blindness to what has happened overseas.'

I will never state that the Howard government performed poorly economically. My only criticisms of them are that the WorkChoices policy was very detrimental to workers and that the Howard government did not spend sufficient amounts on infrastructure, meaning that large amounts had to be spent over the past six years.
Where I take offence to people like Mick is where they use (quoting the above) 'wilful blindness to what has happened overseas' in stating that the Gillard government has somehow wrecked the Australian economy. As anyone who wishes to study the facts knows, Australia's economy has been extremely well managed over the past six years.

Cheers

[bulldogproud2]

Hear Hear, so nearly 60% of the electorate is stupid?? Any economic success Labor has had was built on the magnificent economy they inherited, it just proves how resilient our economy has been even with incompetents at the helm for 6 years, hopefully they'll be in opposition for a generation.

Ambays, it is uninformed emotive comments like these that are the reason I did not want to continue discussions with Mick any more. That, plus he was not willing to EVEN LOOK at any article that challenged his viewpoint.
Hoping you understand now.

Cheers