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Re: Southern Football League

Postby afc9798 » Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:56 pm

MatteeG wrote:
Leo wrote:Flaggies have been very disappointing and Brighton have toiled away with an inferior squad this year.


Flaggies have had a forgettable season, but to be fair have been decimated this year (some quality departures/ big injuries to key players/ Lack of 'big' recruits). Depth has really been tested, last week we had some real 'veterans' running around in the Bs... The As Have shown some promise during games but havent put 4 solid quarters together too many times.

Brighton lost a lot over the pre-season including a handful of top-liners, but I would hardly think they have an inferior squad (Maybe inferior as far as Brighton are concerned, but they have won every B grade flag in recent memory). As DTH mentioned they look to be getting into their stride in the latter part of the season.

Both clubs would not be happy with the season so far thats for sure...

Valleys still the team to beat. Morphy Parks I think are best equipped to challenge them, along with the Flies. Emus you can never discount in finals, particularly on a dry fast ground (I think they are one of the paciest sides going around at the moment). Shoes, Porties and Towns on their day can be dangerous but would need to have 'their day' 3 times in a row come September.

Hackham and Christies the big improvers.



Not trolling, I am genuinely interested in why Flaggies great junior program never translates to senior success. Valleys have 18 of their best 22 that are former juniors of the club, so I would have thought that Flaggie would be around the mark with the amount of quality juniors that go through the club Do they stop playing, do they go mercenary for the money, or do they just not develop further? Would be an interesting case study.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Bloods4Life » Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:02 pm

A combination of all those I would've thought
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Dazza44 » Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:29 am

afc9798 wrote:
MatteeG wrote:
Leo wrote:Flaggies have been very disappointing and Brighton have toiled away with an inferior squad this year.


Flaggies have had a forgettable season, but to be fair have been decimated this year (some quality departures/ big injuries to key players/ Lack of 'big' recruits). Depth has really been tested, last week we had some real 'veterans' running around in the Bs... The As Have shown some promise during games but havent put 4 solid quarters together too many times.

Not trolling, I am genuinely interested in why Flaggies great junior program never translates to senior success. Valleys have 18 of their best 22 that are former juniors of the club, so I would have thought that Flaggie would be around the mark with the amount of quality juniors that go through the club Do they stop playing, do they go mercenary for the money, or do they just not develop further? Would be an interesting case study.


As a sideline, to start with people talk about Brighton being "decimated". Well, Flaggies have at times this year fielded side missing the top 15 from last year's best and fairest !! And with all that, I believe that only 3 of those are playing at other non-league clubs (one due to job transfer, one due to $$). NOW THAT IS "DECIMATED" !!

No mystery why junior success has not YET translated into senior success really, Flaggies have had great juniors come into senior ranks consistently and flourish. They are not only the backbone, but the core of the side. Very rarely do we have quality players leave to go elsewhere, but the rare 2 or 3 have been for the money that they won't find here. Our great juniors have turned into great seniors as our consistently young and competetive sides over recent years shows. Our last 7 or so Captains have all been under 25 - a number of them well under !

The difference between us and Valleys, Morphett Vale, even Reynella etc. is that we were coming from a very low base. We had pretty average senior sides when these guys were coming through juniors, and very few older senior players. Most of the remaining senior players retired or moved down and these very young players have had to assume the mantle of the "older" experienced A graders from a very young age. I actually think their performances over recent years have been fantastic, but as happens with youth, you get inconsistencies.

The big difference between Flaggies and those other clubs is that they were coming from a base where they had success, they had a successful backbone of senior players in their senior sides, and if they require players to top up or fill roles they can go into the market very competetively. Clubs like Happy Valley (our nearest neighbour) have a huge advantage of the success in the 90s and more recently, the young players could step into A Grade as a young player knowing that they had bigger older blokes alongside them to look after them.
Plus, it's always a bonus if you can identify a player you need and have the money to buy them, and all of their mates :)

All I can say is that gradually we are getting towards the stage where our (still quite young) senior players have many years of A Grade senior experience, and we still keep producing quality juniors. The balance will be reached, and we will get quality player back from long-term injury and other absences - we are getting close to where clubs have been before their dynasties have happened (minus the old blokes - who eneded up in B's anyway)

So, don't worry .. we have faith in our players, and faith in our future.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Axle Rose » Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:41 am

Dazza44 wrote:
afc9798 wrote:
MatteeG wrote:
Leo wrote:Flaggies have been very disappointing and Brighton have toiled away with an inferior squad this year.


Flaggies have had a forgettable season, but to be fair have been decimated this year (some quality departures/ big injuries to key players/ Lack of 'big' recruits). Depth has really been tested, last week we had some real 'veterans' running around in the Bs... The As Have shown some promise during games but havent put 4 solid quarters together too many times.

Not trolling, I am genuinely interested in why Flaggies great junior program never translates to senior success. Valleys have 18 of their best 22 that are former juniors of the club, so I would have thought that Flaggie would be around the mark with the amount of quality juniors that go through the club Do they stop playing, do they go mercenary for the money, or do they just not develop further? Would be an interesting case study.


As a sideline, to start with people talk about Brighton being "decimated". Well, Flaggies have at times this year fielded side missing the top 15 from last year's best and fairest !! And with all that, I believe that only 3 of those are playing at other non-league clubs (one due to job transfer, one due to $$). NOW THAT IS "DECIMATED" !!

No mystery why junior success has not YET translated into senior success really, Flaggies have had great juniors come into senior ranks consistently and flourish. They are not only the backbone, but the core of the side. Very rarely do we have quality players leave to go elsewhere, but the rare 2 or 3 have been for the money that they won't find here. Our great juniors have turned into great seniors as our consistently young and competetive sides over recent years shows. Our last 7 or so Captains have all been under 25 - a number of them well under !

The difference between us and Valleys, Morphett Vale, even Reynella etc. is that we were coming from a very low base. We had pretty average senior sides when these guys were coming through juniors, and very few older senior players. Most of the remaining senior players retired or moved down and these very young players have had to assume the mantle of the "older" experienced A graders from a very young age. I actually think their performances over recent years have been fantastic, but as happens with youth, you get inconsistencies.

The big difference between Flaggies and those other clubs is that they were coming from a base where they had success, they had a successful backbone of senior players in their senior sides, and if they require players to top up or fill roles they can go into the market very competetively. Clubs like Happy Valley (our nearest neighbour) have a huge advantage of the success in the 90s and more recently, the young players could step into A Grade as a young player knowing that they had bigger older blokes alongside them to look after them.
Plus, it's always a bonus if you can identify a player you need and have the money to buy them, and all of their mates :)

All I can say is that gradually we are getting towards the stage where our (still quite young) senior players have many years of A Grade senior experience, and we still keep producing quality juniors. The balance will be reached, and we will get quality player back from long-term injury and other absences - we are getting close to where clubs have been before their dynasties have happened (minus the old blokes - who eneded up in B's anyway)

So, don't worry .. we have faith in our players, and faith in our future.


As an outsider, have always admired the way flaggies have gone about it, and its a shame they're having a down year. The easiest thing is to get your team to the top echelon, staying there is another. Just a few players can be the difference against the top sides, and it sounds like keeping them on the park has been a struggle this year.
The only thing I would disagree with is your club is not really any different to others in relation to starting at the bottom. My first A Grade game (im still having a kick now - just!), was for MV against HValley. It was 10th vs 9th in a 10 team comp. In the early 2000's, before 1 division, MV were just one win away from relegation to div 2. A few years later, our juniors were they key to a great run of success. I cant speak for other clubs, but I know ive been on the end of some 25 goal beltings from Reynella, and also belted them by the same. So my guess is that they have been right down the bottom too.
To stay at the top is bloody hard, you need a lot of luck in amongst the talent etc. Lets hope its just an off year with injuries and with a softer draw next year, you can be back in amongst it.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby afc9798 » Thu Jul 25, 2013 12:52 pm

tipping time....

Aldinga vs Cove- Cove by 130
Edwardstown vs M/Vale - Emus by 8
Hackham vs Brighton- Brighton by 24
Marion vs Noarlunga- Noarlunga by 120
M/Ville Park vs Flagstaff- MVP by 80
Lonsdale vs Happy Valley- Valley by 150
Reynella vs Pt Noarlunga - Reynella by 40

Townies and Emus should be a great game, well a tight one at least. It will be Porter's numbers behind the ball, versus Coleman's speed and quick ball movement.
Still think Porties have got something up the sleeve, so the reynella game could also be a surprise result.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Esteban Vihaio » Sun Jul 28, 2013 9:12 pm

After knocking of the Emus, the towns sit at 10 and 4 after playing all sides. Quite an improvement on 2012's 9 and 9. I wonder if they might have won a game or two more with old brother Blyth. He seems to be doing quite well after a year off. Then agan, the young one seems to have stepped up quite a bit this year.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Esteban Vihaio » Sun Jul 28, 2013 9:47 pm

Quickly mocked up the attached adder from the last two weeks where each side is listed after they played 14 games and each other once.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Esteban Vihaio » Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:29 pm

And yes, I have had a bit of time on my hands tonight :o

I have tried to come up with a club ranking. I've worked on the basis of each sides playing each other once across A, B, 18, 16 and 14's. I allocated a multiplier of 5 for the A's down to 1 for the 14's.

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- I have removed Brighton's second side from the under 16's
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby shoe boy » Mon Jul 29, 2013 11:05 am

Esteban Vihaio wrote:And yes, I have had a bit of time on my hands tonight :o

I have tried to come up with a club ranking. I've worked on the basis of each sides playing each other once across A, B, 18, 16 and 14's. I allocated a multiplier of 5 for the A's down to 1 for the 14's. Note the fine print
- I have only taken the first 11 rounds for under 18's
- I have removed Brighton's second side from the under 16's


Why not 5 for every grade??
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Down the Hill » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:58 pm

Not sure what this proves EV other than it goes close to mirroring the current A grade ladder.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Look Good In Leather » Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:24 pm

Esteban Vihaio wrote:And yes, I have had a bit of time on my hands tonight :o

I have tried to come up with a club ranking. I've worked on the basis of each sides playing each other once across A, B, 18, 16 and 14's. I allocated a multiplier of 5 for the A's down to 1 for the 14's.

Note the fine print
- I have only taken the first 11 rounds for under 18's
- I have removed Brighton's second side from the under 16's


Christies so important, they get listed twice!
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Down the Hill » Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:07 pm

No, that's because there are plenty of lads in the SFL who end up seeing double after crossing paths with the Christies boys.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby WHEELS&DEALS » Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:30 pm

Down the Hill wrote:No, that's because there are plenty of lads in the SFL who end up seeing double after crossing paths with the Christies boys.


That's pretty funny DTH :lol: :lol:
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby 1919 » Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:56 pm

Down the Hill wrote:No, that's because there are plenty of lads in the SFL who end up seeing double after crossing paths with the Christies boys.

Geez DTH that's a bit rich coming from you, recall how many concussions Townies finished with after playing your mob recently?
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Look Good In Leather » Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:10 am

1919 wrote:
Down the Hill wrote:No, that's because there are plenty of lads in the SFL who end up seeing double after crossing paths with the Christies boys.

Geez DTH that's a bit rich coming from you, recall how many concussions Townies finished with after playing your mob recently?

Brighton do seem to be getting that reputation
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Down the Hill » Tue Jul 30, 2013 10:42 am

Hey 1919, if you thought there was any genuine malice in that Townies v Brighton game you are kidding yourself. Not that we are ever ones to whinge (unlike yourself) but the most malicious incident I saw that day was actually one of your guys bury one of our blokes after he disposed of the ball in the centre square fairly early in the game. You should go on the AFL Match Review Panel, they would love your type. And thank you for your input LGIL. Clearly an expert on poor reputations.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Bloods4Life » Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:49 am

Down the Hill wrote:Hey 1919, if you thought there was any genuine malice in that Townies v Brighton game you are kidding yourself. Not that we are ever ones to whinge (unlike yourself) but the most malicious incident I saw that day was actually one of your guys bury one of our blokes after he disposed of the ball in the centre square fairly early in the game. You should go on the AFL Match Review Panel, they would love your type. And thank you for your input LGIL. Clearly an expert on poor reputations.


Really???
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Look Good In Leather » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:05 pm

Down the Hill wrote:Hey 1919, if you thought there was any genuine malice in that Townies v Brighton game you are kidding yourself. Not that we are ever ones to whinge (unlike yourself) but the most malicious incident I saw that day was actually one of your guys bury one of our blokes after he disposed of the ball in the centre square fairly early in the game. You should go on the AFL Match Review Panel, they would love your type. And thank you for your input LGIL. Clearly an expert on poor reputations.


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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Down the Hill » Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:00 pm

And which club is currently protesting about the finals qualification criteria for a junior lad using very dubious grounds. Rules are Rules LGIL.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby HardenUp » Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:34 pm

Esteban Vihaio wrote:After knocking of the Emus, the towns sit at 10 and 4 after playing all sides. Quite an improvement on 2012's 9 and 9. I wonder if they might have won a game or two more with old brother Blyth. He seems to be doing quite well after a year off. Then agan, the young one seems to have stepped up quite a bit this year.



Youngest brother could be a sleeper for next season as well, he's taller than eldest but much lighter build yet amazing talent for a guy who has hardly played footy. Have heard if Towns can sign the youngest brother, the big fella will go around for one more season. Any side looks a lot straighter and damaging with the big fella in.
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