Southern Football League

[85 WAS A GOOD YEAR]

The 'college comes before club' used to be over-ruled for League selection.
Obviously this has changed.

[Down the Hill]

That's not quite right 85WAGY. Depends on the circumstances and the school, however the big 5 or 6 footy schools generally won't allow it and never have. Ben Kennedy was allowed to play some SANFL instead of school footy on selected weeks but still missed SANFL for some school games. Matthew Pavlich was a unique one because from memory he started the 1999 SANFL season so well (before school footy started) that he made the State SANFL squad so was allowed to continue playing for WWT until the state game in which he got selected but then I'm pretty sure he went from playing State footy one week to playing school footy the next. Kane Cornes was also an exception but I think Graham had something to do with that. But there were plenty of other cases which had SANFL coaches tearing their hair out such as Darel Hart with Jared Rivers. Greg Anderson actually left St Michaels College and went to Woodville High just so he could play for Port. North also can't select State Under 18 Mitch Harvey at the moment as reported in the media due to Prince Alfred footy. Ben Hart is another who had to play Rostrevor before North likewise Trengove at PAC etc. etc. It's no different in Victoria however all the very good college lads play in the TAC Cup Under 18's not the VFL but they still only play TAC when college footy isn't on.

It seems ludicrous but its gone on for years and is an ongoing frustration for SANFL clubs not to mention us SFL clubs that are near large private schools.

[Dazza44]

That's not quite right 85WAGY. Depends on the circumstances and the school, however the big 5 or 6 footy schools generally won't allow it and never have. Ben Kennedy was allowed to play some SANFL instead of school footy on selected weeks but still missed SANFL for some school games. Matthew Pavlich was a unique one because from memory he started the 1999 SANFL season so well (before school footy started) that he made the State SANFL squad so was allowed to continue playing for WWT until the state game in which he got selected but then I'm pretty sure he went from playing State footy one week to playing school footy the next. Kane Cornes was also an exception but I think Graham had something to do with that. But there were plenty of other cases which had SANFL coaches tearing their hair out such as Darel Hart with Jared Rivers. Greg Anderson actually left St Michaels College and went to Woodville High just so he could play for Port. North also can't select State Under 18 Mitch Harvey at the moment as reported in the media due to Prince Alfred footy. Ben Hart is another who had to play Rostrevor before North likewise Trengove at PAC etc. etc. It's no different in Victoria however all the very good college lads play in the TAC Cup Under 18's not the VFL but they still only play TAC when college footy isn't on.

It seems ludicrous but its gone on for years and is an ongoing frustration for SANFL clubs not to mention us SFL clubs that are near large private schools.

There are a million (not literally of course !) other examples, and has been so for a long, long time - I remember Jack Oatey being mystified that he couldn't pick Silvano Cece because he had to play for Adelaide High, who played in the independent schools comp at that time !!

And DTH, while it may be a frustration being in the vicinity of the most prolific football school in the state (that draws, and in fact financially lures via scholarships, players from most other club's areas) ... I'm sure the benefits far outweigh that frustration. Don't think you have a huge reason to complain about that huge geographic advantage you have over most SFL clubs

[afc9798]

More school footy during the week, freeing up the weekends for club footy including SANFL.

This seems the most obvious answer. Kids can cope with 2 games a week and actually helps their development with more exposure to actual game play.
Public schools make it work on a weekday, no reason the colleges couldn't either. THis way there would be no argument over development, although they may have to miss a club training session, but I'm sure clubs could cope with that knowing their players are getting match hardened.

[Oldman Munga]

vics01 wrote:
Not really sure where to post this. Believe this lad comes from BDOS to the Bays. Just cannot believe that this happened.

Is this not a disgrace? Selected to play SANFL senior footy and forced to play school boy footy. When is the SANFL and other bodies going to stand up to the colleges? Having watched the game on the weekend I am sure he would have gained nothing towards further development. One could suggest the Sacred Heat do not have the child's best interest at HEART..

afc9798
Well I guess clubs know the ground rules when dealing with colleges, but doesn't make it right. On the upside though, they'll be out of college by the time they're 18. Then they have no say.

I am sorry I thought we on this thread should be interested in CLUB FOOTBALL and the development of club footballers not school boy football where they play for ???? then claim they developed a kid that a local club has developed. Schools bully and bluff parents and clubs with flimsy enrollment agreements which have no legal standing. How pompous of SHC to think that a school boys game is more important than a debut with an SANFL Club. Principal said " General Requirement that kids play for the school." What they do is threaten with expulsion from the school if you do not play. Not very catholic or caring behaviour.

Didn't read the article because I live outside of the circulation zone but having said that ,
SHC played Rostrevor on the w/e ,a game that is the highlight of that colleges season .as an old SHC student I appreciate the schools stand on this one ,if there is one game you want to win during the yr its against Rostrevor ,
All students at SHC are made aware that the School comes first , all clubs whether they be affiliated with SANFL,SFL or HFL are aware of this and on the whole accept it accordingly ,So if you have College Kids at your club ,that's the way the cookie crumbles,
For the record SHC defeated Rostrevor , Im sure the kid concerned got more from that than the loss to Woodville/West Torrens

[vics01]

OMM
Didn't read the article because I live outside of the circulation zone but having said that ,
SHC played Rostrevor on the w/e ,a game that is the highlight of that colleges season .as an old SHC student I appreciate the schools stand on this one ,if there is one game you want to win during the yr its against Rostrevor ,
All students at SHC are made aware that the School comes first , all clubs whether they be affiliated with SANFL,SFL or HFL are aware of this and on the whole accept it accordingly ,So if you have College Kids at your club ,that's the way the cookie crumbles,
For the record SHC defeated Rostrevor , Im sure the kid concerned got more from that than the loss to Woodville/West Torrens

OMM did they win a trophy or get points??

Yep can see how you would get more out of a school boy game of footy than playing alongside and against SANFL Senior Footballers.

1 of the SHC teams told me they went through the season undefeated. I said Great what do you have to show for it, Medal Trophy? No we just play for nothing???? Go Figure, Bit like mini's footy really

No boundary umpires, no trainers great environment for kids to learn and develop

[Zelezny Chucks]

vics01 wrote:
Not really sure where to post this. Believe this lad comes from BDOS to the Bays. Just cannot believe that this happened.

Is this not a disgrace? Selected to play SANFL senior footy and forced to play school boy footy. When is the SANFL and other bodies going to stand up to the colleges? Having watched the game on the weekend I am sure he would have gained nothing towards further development. One could suggest the Sacred Heat do not have the child's best interest at HEART..

afc9798
Well I guess clubs know the ground rules when dealing with colleges, but doesn't make it right. On the upside though, they'll be out of college by the time they're 18. Then they have no say.

I am sorry I thought we on this thread should be interested in CLUB FOOTBALL and the development of club footballers not school boy football where they play for ???? then claim they developed a kid that a local club has developed. Schools bully and bluff parents and clubs with flimsy enrollment agreements which have no legal standing. How pompous of SHC to think that a school boys game is more important than a debut with an SANFL Club. Principal said " General Requirement that kids play for the school." What they do is threaten with expulsion from the school if you do not play. Not very catholic or caring behaviour.

Didn't read the article because I live outside of the circulation zone but having said that ,
SHC played Rostrevor on the w/e ,a game that is the highlight of that colleges season .as an old SHC student I appreciate the schools stand on this one ,if there is one game you want to win during the yr its against Rostrevor ,
All students at SHC are made aware that the School comes first , all clubs whether they be affiliated with SANFL,SFL or HFL are aware of this and on the whole accept it accordingly ,So if you have College Kids at your club ,that's the way the cookie crumbles,
For the record SHC defeated Rostrevor , Im sure the kid concerned got more from that than the loss to Woodville/West Torrens

You are kidding right? That is the most stupid thing I have heard, a kid has to forego the next logical step in his football development because of a rivalry between two nuffy schools, that think they are the best development path for AFL footballers, and you think this is right because one bunch of uppity old boys can brag about it for the next 12 months?

To continue a trend from the Junior Football thread "it's about the kids, not you". Ask the kid what he wants to play and let him play that, I think your argument will be blown out of the water.

[vics01]

What needs to be considered is that our clubs are slowly but surely dying at junior level. Even the so called strong clubs have been struggling in the last couple of years with junior numbers. Some of this is due to kids having other sports to play such as Soccer and basketball, kids working part time jobs or just playing x box. A big drain is school football SHC at year 10 and senior level yr11/12 fielded 3/4 sides this year. They have no regard for the kids or the general community.

If the drain continues clubs will eventually disappear into the never never list of history. We should be about making our clubs strong. We should agitate for the Leagues to lobby the SANFL to step up to the plate and sort out this mess before it is too late for club football which after all is the backbone of football across the nation.

I wonder how many kids who are stuck in the school system never go onto club footy after never experiencing the culture and are lost forever to football??

1 further comment I thought schools were there to EDUCATE kids not dictate to kids. What a disgrace that kids have to leave and educational institution of learning over a schoolboys game of sport. I do remember having this discussion with Ando who was forced out Disappointing time for him having to leave mates and school. Even though he made a champion career.

[Barracker 1]

This may be an answer. I watched my sons play footy in Melbourne in the college system alongside Matty Lloyd Jude Bolton and Paul Chapman and they all had great development because they played Wednesday footy for the school and Calder Cannons or Western Jets on the weekend in the U/18 TAC cup. The other lads all returned to local footy on Saturdays and in most cases became an integral part of their clubs and Im lead to believe that it bolstered all of Vic Metro footy comps by having mid week footy for state schools and colleges. This is South Australia and typically we still have people in the footy community with old day mentality that holds back footy comps at all levels. The college system in SA is almost laughable because by the time these kids get a real crack at SANFL, they are so under developed its ridiculous. Talent, Yes : Understanding of the game: NO. I coach them every week and the gap between the college lads and the others that have been in the system well before them is significant.

[Zelezny Chucks]

Don't worry though, Sacred Heart beat Rostrevor so all is well.

[Oldman Munga]

vics01 wrote:
Not really sure where to post this. Believe this lad comes from BDOS to the Bays. Just cannot believe that this happened.

Is this not a disgrace? Selected to play SANFL senior footy and forced to play school boy footy. When is the SANFL and other bodies going to stand up to the colleges? Having watched the game on the weekend I am sure he would have gained nothing towards further development. One could suggest the Sacred Heat do not have the child's best interest at HEART..

afc9798
Well I guess clubs know the ground rules when dealing with colleges, but doesn't make it right. On the upside though, they'll be out of college by the time they're 18. Then they have no say.

I am sorry I thought we on this thread should be interested in CLUB FOOTBALL and the development of club footballers not school boy football where they play for ???? then claim they developed a kid that a local club has developed. Schools bully and bluff parents and clubs with flimsy enrollment agreements which have no legal standing. How pompous of SHC to think that a school boys game is more important than a debut with an SANFL Club. Principal said " General Requirement that kids play for the school." What they do is threaten with expulsion from the school if you do not play. Not very catholic or caring behaviour.

Didn't read the article because I live outside of the circulation zone but having said that ,
SHC played Rostrevor on the w/e ,a game that is the highlight of that colleges season .as an old SHC student I appreciate the schools stand on this one ,if there is one game you want to win during the yr its against Rostrevor ,
All students at SHC are made aware that the School comes first , all clubs whether they be affiliated with SANFL,SFL or HFL are aware of this and on the whole accept it accordingly ,So if you have College Kids at your club ,that's the way the cookie crumbles,
For the record SHC defeated Rostrevor , Im sure the kid concerned got more from that than the loss to Woodville/West Torrens

You are kidding right? That is the most stupid thing I have heard, a kid has to forego the next logical step in his football development because of a rivalry between two nuffy schools, that think they are the best development path for AFL footballers, and you think this is right because one bunch of uppity old boys can brag about it for the next 12 months?

To continue a trend from the Junior Football thread "it's about the kids, not you". Ask the kid what he wants to play and let him play that, I think your argument will be blown out of the water.

Not saying its right but thats the way it is ,and all clubs are or should be aware of it , Colleges contribute greatly to football development, admittedly more so in Vic than SA , I know one College in Adel pays 40k per yr for their coach and its reflected by numerous draftings over the journey , its a contentious issue that will not go away

[Dutchy]

I think once a kid gets picked to play SANFL league footy then club should rule over school, I dont see how any school can deny a kid that experience and exposure.

[heater31]

Is this chest beating competition affiliated with the SANFL? Are they covered by the AFL insurance schemes?


I know some schools have softened their stance for cricket but most only have their own interests for the sake of bragging rights.


Didn't Glenelg also forbid some Brighton High kids from playing in a mid week competition a few years ago? Both went on and got drafted, Its a two way street.

[Zelezny Chucks]

Didn't read the article because I live outside of the circulation zone but having said that ,
SHC played Rostrevor on the w/e ,a game that is the highlight of that colleges season .as an old SHC student I appreciate the schools stand on this one ,if there is one game you want to win during the yr its against Rostrevor ,
All students at SHC are made aware that the School comes first , all clubs whether they be affiliated with SANFL,SFL or HFL are aware of this and on the whole accept it accordingly ,So if you have College Kids at your club ,that's the way the cookie crumbles,
For the record SHC defeated Rostrevor , Im sure the kid concerned got more from that than the loss to Woodville/West Torrens

You are kidding right? That is the most stupid thing I have heard, a kid has to forego the next logical step in his football development because of a rivalry between two nuffy schools, that think they are the best development path for AFL footballers, and you think this is right because one bunch of uppity old boys can brag about it for the next 12 months?

To continue a trend from the Junior Football thread "it's about the kids, not you". Ask the kid what he wants to play and let him play that, I think your argument will be blown out of the water.

Not saying its right but thats the way it is ,and all clubs are or should be aware of it , Colleges contribute greatly to football development, admittedly more so in Vic than SA , I know one College in Adel pays 40k per yr for their coach and its reflected by numerous draftings over the journey , its a contentious issue that will not go away

Agree they have a higher proportion of draftees but I would also like to see how many of these draftees are from footballing families. It's no secret that the Cornes brothers didn't exactly set the world on fire as juniors, yet were given more opportunities than most to make it to the top level. I have seen plenty of juniors who don't make it with equal amounts of talent to those who do make it because of a footballing name. Nothing against the guys who do, as they can't help who their father is, but it is certainly something that would be looked at favourably regardless of a father/son type ruling.

Fact is it is probably easier to get drafted to an AFL club if you are in a minority. i.e. from a rich family at a prestigious college or, on the other side of the coin, a group that may be considered disadvantaged in school and social development terms.

Having seen some of the players that used to come back and play in our sides during school holidays, compared to the players they kept out of the side, only a handful should have been walk up starts in their respective SANFL Junior teams.

[GO THE PUNT]

Playing college football looks better and is more respected on the cv than sanfl or local club football at the afl draft. Im sure many players went onto get drafted with out playing more than a handful of senior sanfl football. I think Mackie is an example.

[tigerpie]

Theres lots of examples...george horlin-smith, sean rusling and others.

People who bag the standard of 1st xv111 footy obviously havent been to a Sacred Heart v Rostrevor intercol game, or a state knockout final. Its like watching a glenelg v port game in the old days, theres true rivalry and a lot of history.
The bun fight between sanfl and school footy has been going on forever and will continue to do so.
From experience, its only intercol and state knockout finals that the school definetly wants players participation 100%, in relation to playing league footy. If Sacred heart were playing say....Pembroke then he would get the all clear to play league.
The proposal to play school footy during the week is floored for the better players because they play in development sanfl teams.

The unfortunate loser here is the metro club as something has to give..3 games of footy, plus training doesnt fit in with school work and a social life, so the lads play for their sanfl club and school. Then if he is good enough he has state training committments on top of this as well.

I can remember in 2008 Glenelg playing Port 1 week with Glenelg not having access to their college lads and got beaten by 12 goals, 2 weeks later they played again with the college lads and beat port by 20 goals, so they do make a big difference

[Mister Footy]

OK enough with College footy talk which probably belonged in the Junior Football thread....

Time for tips - going to be some cracker games this week
HV v Brighton - HV by 30
MVP v Noarlunga - Noarlunga by 10
Porties v Flaggies - Porties by 40
Christies v Reynella - Reynella by 60
Cove v Morphett Vale - Emus by 50
Hackham v Edwardstown - Townies by 80
Marion v Aldinga - Aldinga by 20

[Down the Hill]

Is that 30 goals, 30 pts or 30 players suspended for not selling their raffle tickets?

[fisho mcspaz]

OK enough with College footy talk which probably belonged in the Junior Football thread....

Time for tips - going to be some cracker games this week
HV v Brighton - HV by 30
MVP v Noarlunga - Noarlunga by 10
Porties v Flaggies - Porties by 40
Christies v Reynella - Reynella by 60
Cove v Morphett Vale - Emus by 50
Hackham v Edwardstown - Townies by 80
Marion v Aldinga - Aldinga by 20

Valley by 10 goals
Shoes by 5 points
Porties by 8 goals
Reynella by 2 goals
Emus by 8 goals
Townies by 8 goals
Aldinga by 20 points

[helicopterking]

OK enough with College footy talk which probably belonged in the Junior Football thread....

Time for tips - going to be some cracker games this week
HV v Brighton - HV by 30
MVP v Noarlunga - Noarlunga by 10
Porties v Flaggies - Porties by 40
Christies v Reynella - Reynella by 60
Cove v Morphett Vale - Emus by 50
Hackham v Edwardstown - Townies by 80
Marion v Aldinga - Aldinga by 20

HV by 8 goals
MVP by 5 goals
Porties by 10 goals
Reynella by 7 goals
Emus by 8 goals
Edwardstown by 10 goals
Marion by 6 goals