Southern Football League

[Esteban Vihaio]

Quite ironic that the teams in our league that wear the Essendon and Collingwood strips want special treatment when it comes to the fixture.

On the topic of strips, the Brighton Bombers are having a "Heritage Day" on Saturday in our big clash v Noarlunga at Brighton. Our A grade, B grade and Under 18's are wearing the Green and White hoops of the Brighton High Old Scholars from 1968 to 1990 and also worn by the Brighton Bombers (BDOS) in the SAAFL from 1991 to 1996 and our juniors in the SFL from 1994 to 1996 prior to our seniors moving across in 1997.

As part of the fresh approach to fully joining the SFL, we adopted the Yellow, Black and White colours for all teams. This was a combination of the colours of the pre-merge Brighton clubs, but also the colours worn by the Brighton FC during parts of its previous history. Sorry for the history lesson but I know some on the forum, particularly LGIL, are interested in this sort of stuff.

Don't want special treatment just some common sense.
Why not show case the best games and I'm not just talking about M/Vale and Reynella.
Why not play the games that pull the crowds and make money for the clubs.

Can the above be achieved whilst not having a "rigged" draw? The lower ranked clubs would also pull greater crowds when they are playing competitive fixtures....

[Esteban Vihaio]

Quite ironic that the teams in our league that wear the Essendon and Collingwood strips want special treatment when it comes to the fixture.

On the topic of strips, the Brighton Bombers are having a "Heritage Day" on Saturday in our big clash v Noarlunga at Brighton. Our A grade, B grade and Under 18's are wearing the Green and White hoops of the Brighton High Old Scholars from 1968 to 1990 and also worn by the Brighton Bombers (BDOS) in the SAAFL from 1991 to 1996 and our juniors in the SFL from 1994 to 1996 prior to our seniors moving across in 1997.

As part of the fresh approach to fully joining the SFL, we adopted the Yellow, Black and White colours for all teams. This was a combination of the colours of the pre-merge Brighton clubs, but also the colours worn by the Brighton FC during parts of its previous history. Sorry for the history lesson but I know some on the forum, particularly LGIL, are interested in this sort of stuff.

Don't want special treatment just some common sense.
Why not show case the best games and I'm not just talking about M/Vale and Reynella.
Why not play the games that pull the crowds and make money for the clubs.

Can the above be achieved whilst not having a "rigged" draw? The lower ranked clubs would also pull greater crowds when they are playing competitive fixtures....

[tigerpie]

The AFL draw is compromised to maximise game day crowds, get the big crowds for the big games and the competition grows financially.
The SFL should be doing the same!

Reynella and Morphett Vale have a titanic rivalry and doesnt matter where they both are on the ladder, its always a tough, showdown like contest. Great crowd and atmosphere and the clubs profit financially, which helps fund the massive amount of juniors in their program.
Should always play twice each year!

[Down the Hill]

Point taken. The final ladder positions of MV and Reynalla this year will probably see them get 2 games next year anyway, even without having to ask for it. It probably wouldn't have compromised this years fixture either because they finished 8th and 10th last year from memory. But if 1 ever finishes many spots higher than the other and the SFL still guarantees them 2 games then this may cause another club to lose a game against a good money making opponent which could even be MV or Reynella. Now if other clubs get together asking for 2 marquee games each year then you could end up with a fixture that is impossible to balance in the current 15 team - 18 game format, which requires playing 4 clubs twice and 10 clubs once.

Brighton had home games this year against Marion, Lonsdale and Aldinga who were teams we only played once. Without commenting about our own supporter base, these 3 probably have the smallest supporter bases of the other 14 clubs in part due to their current inability to field 5 Saturday teams. So if we approach the SFL asking for no more than 2 home games or even only 1 game against these clubs, shouldn't we get the same consideration as MV and Reynella asking for 2 games each year. Then if other clubs start wanting to do the same whether it be twice a year blockbusters or minimising "low income" home games then it all becomes a dogs breakfast and if every request is agreed to it may be impossible for the SFL to do a 9 home and 9 away game fixture based on the 4 and 10 model.

I don't totally disagree with what MV and Rey want, but there is a bigger picture that people often can't understand or maybe don't want to understand.

[fathersonsfl]

Point taken. The final ladder positions of MV and Reynalla this year will probably see them get 2 games next year anyway, even without having to ask for it. It probably wouldn't have compromised this years fixture either because they finished 8th and 10th last year from memory. But if 1 ever finishes many spots higher than the other and the SFL still guarantees them 2 games then this may cause another club to lose a game against a good money making opponent which could even be MV or Reynella. Now if other clubs get together asking for 2 marquee games each year then you could end up with a fixture that is impossible to balance in the current 15 team - 18 game format, which requires playing 4 clubs twice and 10 clubs once.

Brighton had home games this year against Marion, Lonsdale and Aldinga who were teams we only played once. Without commenting about our own supporter base, these 3 probably have the smallest supporter bases of the other 14 clubs in part due to their current inability to field 5 Saturday teams. So if we approach the SFL asking for no more than 2 home games or even only 1 game against these clubs, shouldn't we get the same consideration as MV and Reynella asking for 2 games each year. Then if other clubs start wanting to do the same whether it be twice a year blockbusters or minimising "low income" home games then it all becomes a dogs breakfast and if every request is agreed to it may be impossible for the SFL to do a 9 home and 9 away game fixture based on the 4 and 10 model.

I don't totally disagree with what MV and Rey want, but there is a bigger picture that people often can't understand or maybe don't want to understand.

This is your best post.....ever.

[afc9798]

Point taken. The final ladder positions of MV and Reynalla this year will probably see them get 2 games next year anyway, even without having to ask for it. It probably wouldn't have compromised this years fixture either because they finished 8th and 10th last year from memory. But if 1 ever finishes many spots higher than the other and the SFL still guarantees them 2 games then this may cause another club to lose a game against a good money making opponent which could even be MV or Reynella. Now if other clubs get together asking for 2 marquee games each year then you could end up with a fixture that is impossible to balance in the current 15 team - 18 game format, which requires playing 4 clubs twice and 10 clubs once.

Brighton had home games this year against Marion, Lonsdale and Aldinga who were teams we only played once. Without commenting about our own supporter base, these 3 probably have the smallest supporter bases of the other 14 clubs in part due to their current inability to field 5 Saturday teams. So if we approach the SFL asking for no more than 2 home games or even only 1 game against these clubs, shouldn't we get the same consideration as MV and Reynella asking for 2 games each year. Then if other clubs start wanting to do the same whether it be twice a year blockbusters or minimising "low income" home games then it all becomes a dogs breakfast and if every request is agreed to it may be impossible for the SFL to do a 9 home and 9 away game fixture based on the 4 and 10 model.

I don't totally disagree with what MV and Rey want, but there is a bigger picture that people often can't understand or maybe don't want to understand.

Agree completely. The SFL struggles enough with the draw, let alone entering into negotiations for every clubs individual wishes and demands.
Whilst the current model is not ideal, at least it is in general a fair draw.

[ol man emu]

Point taken. The final ladder positions of MV and Reynalla this year will probably see them get 2 games next year anyway, even without having to ask for it. It probably wouldn't have compromised this years fixture either because they finished 8th and 10th last year from memory. But if 1 ever finishes many spots higher than the other and the SFL still guarantees them 2 games then this may cause another club to lose a game against a good money making opponent which could even be MV or Reynella. Now if other clubs get together asking for 2 marquee games each year then you could end up with a fixture that is impossible to balance in the current 15 team - 18 game format, which requires playing 4 clubs twice and 10 clubs once.

Brighton had home games this year against Marion, Lonsdale and Aldinga who were teams we only played once. Without commenting about our own supporter base, these 3 probably have the smallest supporter bases of the other 14 clubs in part due to their current inability to field 5 Saturday teams. So if we approach the SFL asking for no more than 2 home games or even only 1 game against these clubs, shouldn't we get the same consideration as MV and Reynella asking for 2 games each year. Then if other clubs start wanting to do the same whether it be twice a year blockbusters or minimising "low income" home games then it all becomes a dogs breakfast and if every request is agreed to it may be impossible for the SFL to do a 9 home and 9 away game fixture based on the 4 and 10 model.

I don't totally disagree with what MV and Rey want, but there is a bigger picture that people often can't understand or maybe don't want to understand.

Very diplomatic.
You been hanging to much with the s.f.l. boys.

[tigerpie]

Its the SFL trying to please the whingers. Not letting the clubs who do the work, attract and retain their juniors with good footy programs have at least 1 club they want to play twice.
Every club should be allowed to ask and receive the right to play their biggest rivals twice. Rey and m/vale..The Noarlungas, Happy Valley and Flaggies etc..
If your club doesnt have a close rival...create one.

[Oldman Munga]

Its the SFL trying to please the whingers. Not letting the clubs who do the work, attract and retain their juniors with good footy programs have at least 1 club they want to play twice.
Every club should be allowed to ask and receive the right to play their biggest rivals twice. Rey and m/vale..The Noarlungas, Happy Valley and Flaggies etc..
If your club doesnt have a close rival...create one.

10 Team Div 1 , play each other twice per season , Problem Solvered Boss

[tigerpie]

Exactly!

[Moe]

Its the SFL trying to please the whingers. Not letting the clubs who do the work, attract and retain their juniors with good footy programs have at least 1 club they want to play twice. Every club should be allowed to ask and receive the right to play their biggest rivals twice. Rey and m/vale..The Noarlungas, Happy Valley and Flaggies etc..
If your club doesnt have a close rival...create one.

What an ignorant comment.
Every club works hard on attracting and retaining juniors.
10 teams: Yes
2 Divisions: Yes

Pander to the so called big clubs mentioned: No.

[tigerpie]

Why is it ignorant?...because you've only been in the league for 5 minutes compared to others and you think its ok to change 100 + years of tradition.
I believe thats ignorance!

[Moe]

Why is it ignorant?...because you've only been in the league for 5 minutes compared to others and you think its ok to change 100 + years of tradition.
I believe thats ignorance!

What did I ask to change?
Your comment is ignorant because you state that there are clubs who do not do the "work" to get successful junior programs.
How do you know this?
Are you in the inner sanctum of all clubs?
Are you on 15 junior club committee's?

Your comment is a slap in the face to all hard working volunteers and parents who work damn hard for their respective clubs in the junior department.

If you want your traditional rivalries in the "bigger" clubs to prosper, then fight for it on a senior level and don't bring the junior debate into it.

Personally I would like to play Marion & Brighton twice.

[woodublieve12]

Why is it ignorant?...because you've only been in the league for 5 minutes compared to others and you think its ok to change 100 + years of tradition.
I believe thats ignorance!

What did I ask to change?
Your comment is ignorant because you state that there are clubs who do not do the "work" to get successful junior programs.
How do you know this?
Are you in the inner sanctum of all clubs?
Are you on 15 junior club committee's?

Your comment is a slap in the face to all hard working volunteers and parents who work damn hard for their respective clubs in the junior department.

If you want your traditional rivalries in the "bigger" clubs to prosper, then fight for it on a senior level and don't bring the junior debate into it.

Personally I would like to play Marion & Brighton twice.

well said moe

[Tubby]

Why is it ignorant?...because you've only been in the league for 5 minutes compared to others and you think its ok to change 100 + years of tradition.
I believe thats ignorance!

What did I ask to change?
Your comment is ignorant because you state that there are clubs who do not do the "work" to get successful junior programs.
How do you know this?
Are you in the inner sanctum of all clubs?
Are you on 15 junior club committee's?

Your comment is a slap in the face to all hard working volunteers and parents who work damn hard for their respective clubs in the junior department.

If you want your traditional rivalries in the "bigger" clubs to prosper, then fight for it on a senior level and don't bring the junior debate into it.

Personally I would like to play Marion & Brighton twice.

Some of your best work there Moe !!!

[shoe boy]

Why is it ignorant?...because you've only been in the league for 5 minutes compared to others and you think its ok to change 100 + years of tradition.
I believe thats ignorance!

What did I ask to change?
Your comment is ignorant because you state that there are clubs who do not do the "work" to get successful junior programs.
How do you know this?
Are you in the inner sanctum of all clubs?
Are you on 15 junior club committee's?

Your comment is a slap in the face to all hard working volunteers and parents who work damn hard for their respective clubs in the junior department.

If you want your traditional rivalries in the "bigger" clubs to prosper, then fight for it on a senior level and don't bring the junior debate into it.
Personally I would like to play Marion & Brighton twice.

Some of your best work there Moe !!!

I Thought they came hand in hand Moe??

[Numbers]

Moe, tigerpie didn't say clubs weren't working hard on juniors! Actually read the comment! He said that clubs that are should be able to build/continue 100 year old rivalries!

10 Teams
1 Division
Get rid of the rest

[Look Good In Leather]

Why is it ignorant?...because you've only been in the league for 5 minutes compared to others and you think its ok to change 100 + years of tradition.
I believe thats ignorance!

With all due respect, Morphie Park have now been a member club for 27 years. The longest current stint in the league is 67 years (Port Noarlunga joining 1947) so it is hardly 5 minutes compared to the rest, in fact the average of the current clubs is 36.4 years.

Yes there are clubs that have long associations with the league, but many of these have scattered histories with shifts to neighbouring leagues or folding at various times. Aldinga, one of the founding clubs, actually folded in 1953, reforming in 1977 with different colours, different people and a new nickname.

[tigerpie]

Obviously ive touched a nerve with some people. Sincere apologies if i have offended any hard working junior coordinator. That wasnt the intention.

Moe my quote was based on fact. Some clubs have to work harder than others simply because they attract more players. It follows that more coaches, support people, medical, jumpers etc have to be provided.
Reynella lost a lot of revenue because of having to play Mvale away. Also know that Reynella gets no bar takings only gate money and bbq. The bar takings remain with the community centre to keep that afloat and the affiliated clubs see none of it. So taking this game away hurts the bottom line!

Fact is some clubs complained because the competition is so uneven. So the draw was changed to try and lessen the maulings.

Now just to clarify, i know all clubs work hard on there junior programs. But the reality is some have to work that much harder to fund and staff junior programs.

The best way to solve this is 10 team div1.Then watch the fights start over who should be where.

[Straight Line]

Moe, tigerpie didn't say clubs weren't working hard on juniors! Actually read the comment! He said that clubs that are should be able to build/continue 100 year old rivalries!

10 Teams
1 Division
Get rid of the rest

Obviously ive touched a nerve with some people. Sincere apologies if i have offended any hard working junior coordinator. That wasnt the intention.

Moe my quote was based on fact. Some clubs have to work harder than others simply because they attract more players. It follows that more coaches, support people, medical, jumpers etc have to be provided.
Reynella lost a lot of revenue because of having to play Mvale away. Also know that Reynella gets no bar takings only gate money and bbq. The bar takings remain with the community centre to keep that afloat and the affiliated clubs see none of it. So taking this game away hurts the bottom line!

Fact is some clubs complained because the competition is so uneven. So the draw was changed to try and lessen the maulings.

Now just to clarify, i know all clubs work hard on there junior programs. But the reality is some have to work that much harder to fund and staff junior programs.

The best way to solve this is 10 team div1.Then watch the fights start over who should be where.

I dont think it will ever happen now with the comp starting to slowly improve