2013 Federal election - Rudd sets date as 7th September

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Re: 2013 Federal election - Rudd sets date as 7th September

Postby Sky Pilot » Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:33 pm

Q. wrote:
Sky Pilot wrote:It is being funded by a tax which is yet to be introduced. So, unless you can prove that the introduction of this tax on the richest few thousand companies in the country, will be fiscally reckless, your argument falls flat. I don't agree with the plan at all. But if we have to have one, at least this one does not tax the population. To argue against the proportionate amount mothers will get is socialist and has no place in a capitalist system.


Universal entitlement policy is generally accepted as poor economic management.

In Spain, Portugal, Greece, Ireland perhaps
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Re: 2013 Federal election - Rudd sets date as 7th September

Postby Q. » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:52 pm

It's poor policy, and there's few within the Liberal party that actually agree with it.

Looks like Abbott got a pasting in tonight's debate.
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Re: 2013 Federal election - Rudd sets date as 7th September

Postby helicopterking » Thu Aug 29, 2013 7:04 am

Q. wrote:It's poor policy, and there's few within the Liberal party that actually agree with it.

Looks like Abbott got a pasting in tonight's debate.


Doesn't surprise me, Rudd is the MasterDebater
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Re: 2013 Federal election - Rudd sets date as 7th September

Postby GWW » Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:21 am

Was interesting to see Abbott in the debate, try to explain the costing/financing of the paid parental leave policy.
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Re: 2013 Federal election - Rudd sets date as 7th September

Postby Sky Pilot » Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:37 am

Q. wrote:It's poor policy, and there's few within the Liberal party that actually agree with it.

Looks like Abbott got a pasting in tonight's debate.

Abbott stitched him up. Rudd failed to hide his arrogance and every time he spoke the "Ponce" meter went off the scale. Of course the moderator is a known leftie so he hammered Abbott and protected Rudd. But it doesn't matter really, Abbott will be in the Lodge in two weeks then this country can get back on the rails after six years of ruinous government.
September 7 will be better than a grand final win! ( which is probably not going to happen with my team for a while yet!)
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Re: 2013 Federal election - Rudd sets date as 7th September

Postby woodublieve12 » Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:20 am

Sky Pilot wrote:
Q. wrote:It's poor policy, and there's few within the Liberal party that actually agree with it.

Looks like Abbott got a pasting in tonight's debate.

Abbott stitched him up. Rudd failed to hide his arrogance and every time he spoke the "Ponce" meter went off the scale. Of course the moderator is a known leftie so he hammered Abbott and protected Rudd. But it doesn't matter really, Abbott will be in the Lodge in two weeks then this country can get back on the rails after six years of ruinous government.
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you kidding right????

Abbott looked like a fool!!!
I can't believe this bloke could (most likely) be our next prime minister... I guess we'll learn how the yanks felt when George W was pres!!!
I'm not Rudd fan either, but Abbott will be a dead set embarrassment for this country.
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Re: 2013 Federal election - Rudd sets date as 7th September

Postby Psyber » Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:46 am

woodublieve12 wrote: Abbott looked like a fool!!!
I can't believe this bloke could (most likely) be our next prime minister... I guess we'll learn how the yanks felt when George W was pres!!!
I'm not Rudd fan either, but Abbott will be a dead set embarrassment for this country.
I can't see any current party leader in Australia who wouldn't be a dead set embarrassment...
(Maybe Malcolm Turnbull next time around.)
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Re: 2013 Federal election - Rudd sets date as 7th September

Postby Psyber » Thu Aug 29, 2013 12:03 pm

Not only are emotion ramping up on this site, but apparently panic is setting in:

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/spec ... 6706050447
MINISTERS and Labor factional powerbrokers are openly questioning whether Julia Gillard would have done a better job than Kevin Rudd as panic rises within the Government over its faltering campaign...
One Labor power broker said the party would be better off without their reborn leader: "The dream outcome would be for us to marginally win and for Kevin to lose."
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Re: 2013 Federal election - Rudd sets date as 7th September

Postby Q. » Thu Aug 29, 2013 12:53 pm

Not sure why they're panicking now, the writing was on the wall a long time ago.
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Re: 2013 Federal election - Rudd sets date as 7th September

Postby Psyber » Thu Aug 29, 2013 6:11 pm

Here is an issue I just came across: http://www.pharmacynews.com.au/news/lat ... -of-health
The PBS must no longer be seen as part of the health system if Prime Minister Kevin Rudd is to be believed, according to the Pharmacy Guild of Australia.

A Guild spokesperson noted that Mr Rudd had claimed health had been spared funding cuts in the Federal Government’s Economic Statement of 2 August, despite the announcement that PBS reform is to be accelerated from October 2014, when he called the Federal Election just two days later.
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Re: 2013 Federal election - Rudd sets date as 7th September

Postby vics01 » Thu Aug 29, 2013 7:11 pm

Kevin's response to a question about home affordability. I think he speaks with fork tongue. Interest rates a down because the economy is in dire straights, not because of the good work done by Kevin and Co.

6.29pm. RUDD'S RESPONSE TO A QUESTION ABOUT HOUSING AFFORDABILITY
To address housing supply the first thing we have done is to bring in the national rental affordability scheme that is designed to provide 50,000 units worth of affordable rental housing across the country. The second thing is to reduce the cost of land developments for new housing for co-investing with developers. The third is that we have added another 20,000 units of social housing across the country and repaired 80,000.

On top of that we now have interest rates at the lowest they have been in 60 years. That means on a $300,000 mortgage you are now paying $6000 a year less. Still I agree there is much more to be done.
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Re: 2013 Federal election - Rudd sets date as 7th September

Postby Bully » Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:54 pm

something about K Rudd saying abbotts funding has a black hole, and K Rudd has his own supporters, public servants and journalists saying that he is telling lies over 70 billion or something? (only watching the news report half way through so don't know the full story as its been a long day and late)

Fantastic leader he is ;)
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Re: 2013 Federal election - Rudd sets date as 7th September

Postby cripple » Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:55 pm

Economy is down because the world economy is still rooted. Unemployment is at similar rates to when labor gained power, a massive achievement considering the last 6 years events on a global scale. As I have said before, I personally think it will be better to lose this election, watch the other side flounder under never before seen pressure and set up a government for years at the next election. Only question is who will be the leader at this stage ( combet, shorten anyone but rudd because he will be well and truly on the nose by then)

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Re: 2013 Federal election - Rudd sets date as 7th September

Postby Sky Pilot » Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:13 am

cripple wrote:Economy is down because the world economy is still rooted. Unemployment is at similar rates to when labor gained power, a massive achievement considering the last 6 years events on a global scale. As I have said before, I personally think it will be better to lose this election, watch the other side flounder under never before seen pressure and set up a government for years at the next election. Only question is who will be the leader at this stage ( combet, shorten anyone but rudd because he will be well and truly on the nose by then)

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Shorten already has his name on the Opposition Leaders office door. Combet is unsuitable because he doesn't have the media image. There are some good young blokes there for Labor to put forward and I think in eight or nine days time they will embark on the biggest political clean-out in modern history. Hopefully Albo will hold his seat because he is the Liberal's biggest weapon. Unless the Coalition faaark's up monumentally it can look forward to at least two terms in government.
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Re: 2013 Federal election - Rudd sets date as 7th September

Postby GWW » Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:32 am

Combet is not a candidate in the election anyway - ie. he's retired from federal politics.
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Re: 2013 Federal election - Rudd sets date as 7th September

Postby shoe boy » Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:53 am

Sky Pilot wrote:
cripple wrote:Economy is down because the world economy is still rooted. Unemployment is at similar rates to when labor gained power, a massive achievement considering the last 6 years events on a global scale. As I have said before, I personally think it will be better to lose this election, watch the other side flounder under never before seen pressure and set up a government for years at the next election. Only question is who will be the leader at this stage ( combet, shorten anyone but rudd because he will be well and truly on the nose by then)

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Shorten already has his name on the Opposition Leaders office door. Combet is unsuitable because he doesn't have the media image. There are some good young blokes there for Labor to put forward and I think in eight or nine days time they will embark on the biggest political clean-out in modern history. Hopefully Albo will hold his seat because he is the Liberal's biggest weapon. Unless the Coalition faaark's up monumentally it can look forward to at least two terms in government.


But Tony has as do Christopher Pyne. :lol:
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Re: 2013 Federal election - Rudd sets date as 7th September

Postby Psyber » Fri Aug 30, 2013 11:00 am

vics01 wrote:Kevin's response to a question about home affordability. I think he speaks with fork tongue. Interest rates a down because the economy is in dire straights, not because of the good work done by Kevin and Co.

6.29pm. RUDD'S RESPONSE TO A QUESTION ABOUT HOUSING AFFORDABILITY
To address housing supply the first thing we have done is to bring in the national rental affordability scheme that is designed to provide 50,000 units worth of affordable rental housing across the country. The second thing is to reduce the cost of land developments for new housing for co-investing with developers. The third is that we have added another 20,000 units of social housing across the country and repaired 80,000.

On top of that we now have interest rates at the lowest they have been in 60 years. That means on a $300,000 mortgage you are now paying $6000 a year less. Still I agree there is much more to be done.
I went so far as to read the info about the national rental affordability scheme as an investment option when it was introduced, and ruled it out fast.
Basically it offers you money up front that sounds good on the surface in return for much longer term reduced rental income and higher property damage risks.
I reckon you would be in front for only the first 2 or 3 years.

If that market is a good investment why has the SA Government bailed out of providing affordable housing via the SA Housing Trust?

So, I can't see them ever achieving the 50,000 units.
I expect land developers would come to the same conclusion about co-investing.

It is like the Medicare Locals scheme - they go on about the few that are doing well and ignore the ones that never got around to opening, and those whose medical staff walked out in frustration after the initial trial period - like down at Christies.
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Re: 2013 Federal election - Rudd sets date as 7th September

Postby Sojourner » Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:30 pm

Labor Party Campaigners caught tearing down Liberal Party Posters,

http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/08/28/lab ... oster-row/
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Re: 2013 Federal election - Rudd sets date as 7th September

Postby Gozu » Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:05 pm

Very poor form but Pyne had a staffer doing something similar earlier in the campaign.
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Re: 2013 Federal election - Rudd sets date as 7th September

Postby tipper » Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:27 pm

serious question, isnt the above illegal? i always thought there was a law against "interfering" with political posters. it would surprise me if some pollie somewhere hadnt made it illegal. if so, when can we expect the court cases??
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