by RB » Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:59 pm
by valleys07 » Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:00 pm
gadj1976 wrote:Apachebulldog wrote:All the past rhetoric from posters that they will not play to win is B/S.
That's why players run out onto the turf they are out there to WIN.
My personal view is the Power and Crows with their multi million dollar budgets should have the edge on some SANFL clubs which have been struggling financially over the last couple of years
I guess only time will tell.
That's all well and good to say that, but the Crows and Port will manage their players through.
They'll know exactly how long players should be out there, especially from rehab (N V Berlo is one that comes to mind, T Walker, another). So yes, they'll be playing to win. But "win" will be winning a place back in the league side. The young guys will be there trying to impress, rather than winning game of footy. The coaches are there to develop players, not win ressies premierships.
They'll talk about "the process" and "the scoreboard taking care of itself" and "managing game time" for their players. Which seriously, is why they wanted a stand alone side in the first place!
I'll put 5 bucks on someone from the Crows saying "the scoreboard doesn't matter" in the first 6 weeks of the season.
by cracka » Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:15 pm
The Sleeping Giant wrote:The young up and coming player argument is a load of crap. Talent scouts everywhere. No one with potential to play afl is getting over looked.
by Pseudo » Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:22 pm
tigerpie wrote:Now we have to put up with playing meaningless games against 2 teams that are not there for the same reason as the established clubs.
by Pseudo » Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:29 pm
valleys07 wrote:Not having a crack at anybody in particular, but what argument will it be? One minute the 2 AFL sides wont give a rats toss about winning, but another post highlights the supposed advantage both will have. Either way port and adelaide will be critiqued regardless of ladder position.
by kickinit » Wed Jan 15, 2014 7:06 pm
valleys07 wrote:You dont think that a young player coming through a magpies or crows academy side and training under AFL standard coaches would benefit at all?
by daysofourlives » Wed Jan 15, 2014 7:08 pm
by kickinit » Wed Jan 15, 2014 7:15 pm
daysofourlives wrote:I'v heard Collingwood and Carlton are sitting back with a wait and see approach with how the SANFL goes this year.
If it can maintain a similar standard to previous years they are more than keen to enter their reserves team in the SANFL as they see it as being much stronger than the VFL, They are probably the only clubs with the resources to be able to do it financially.
by The Sleeping Giant » Wed Jan 15, 2014 7:28 pm
kickinit wrote:valleys07 wrote:You dont think that a young player coming through a magpies or crows academy side and training under AFL standard coaches would benefit at all?
or even young players coming through the other clubs playing in front of a team that has a direct link to a AFL club in his state,or that AFL coach is there watching the game.
by tigerpie » Wed Jan 15, 2014 8:05 pm
daysofourlives wrote:I'v heard Collingwood and Carlton are sitting back with a wait and see approach with how the SANFL goes this year.
If it can maintain a similar standard to previous years they are more than keen to enter their reserves team in the SANFL as they see it as being much stronger than the VFL, They are probably the only clubs with the resources to be able to do it financially.
by kickinit » Wed Jan 15, 2014 8:10 pm
The Sleeping Giant wrote:kickinit wrote:valleys07 wrote:You dont think that a young player coming through a magpies or crows academy side and training under AFL standard coaches would benefit at all?
or even young players coming through the other clubs playing in front of a team that has a direct link to a AFL club in his state,or that AFL coach is there watching the game.
They have done for years. AFL reserve teams won't make a lick of difference to extra numbers being drafted from the SANFL. Coaches and scouts have always been at SANFL games. Interstate teams aren't just pulling a name out of a hat when drafting.
by The Sleeping Giant » Wed Jan 15, 2014 8:28 pm
by daysofourlives » Wed Jan 15, 2014 8:33 pm
tigerpie wrote:daysofourlives wrote:I'v heard Collingwood and Carlton are sitting back with a wait and see approach with how the SANFL goes this year.
If it can maintain a similar standard to previous years they are more than keen to enter their reserves team in the SANFL as they see it as being much stronger than the VFL, They are probably the only clubs with the resources to be able to do it financially.
Thats the most outlandish crock of excrement ive ever heard.
by SimonH » Wed Jan 15, 2014 10:56 pm
But both can be true. The Sydney Swans reserves, for example, have a mammoth advantage in facilities, coaches, and (in the context of the NSW/ACT comp) talent over their competitors. So much so that the comp administrators have had to game the system with caps on AFL-listed players etc, in order to minimise the lopsided results. But at the same time, Belconnen FC and their ilk will bust a gut to win a game or get the premiership—doing so is the principal reason for their existence. Whereas for the Swans reserves, winning a flag in Canberra is nice, but it isn't the be-all and end-all as long as the kids develop and learn the game plan.valleys07 wrote:Not having a crack at anybody in particular, but what argument will it be? One minute the 2 AFL sides wont give a rats toss about winning, but another post highlights the supposed advantage both will have.
valleys07 wrote:Either way port and adelaide will be critiqued regardless of ladder position.
by Booney » Thu Jan 16, 2014 8:20 am
RB wrote:I doubt the Crows and Power Reserves players will feel losses in the same way as players on the proper teams will.
by tigerpie » Thu Jan 16, 2014 8:51 am
by beenreal » Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:08 am
SimonH wrote:But both can be true. The Sydney Swans reserves, for example, have a mammoth advantage in facilities, coaches, and (in the context of the NSW/ACT comp) talent over their competitors. So much so that the comp administrators have had to game the system with caps on AFL-listed players etc, in order to minimise the lopsided results. But at the same time, Belconnen FC and their ilk will bust a gut to win a game or get the premiership—doing so is the principal reason for their existence. Whereas for the Swans reserves, winning a flag in Canberra is nice, but it isn't the be-all and end-all as long as the kids develop and learn the game plan.valleys07 wrote:Not having a crack at anybody in particular, but what argument will it be? One minute the 2 AFL sides wont give a rats toss about winning, but another post highlights the supposed advantage both will have.
The mandatory leave period under the AFLPA's enterprise bargaining agreement is just one of the reasons why AFL reserves sides tend to tail off in the finals—the sooner you can get your kids off the park and on holidays, the sooner you can start pre-season training for next year.valleys07 wrote:Either way port and adelaide will be critiqued regardless of ladder position.
They'll be critiqued regardless of ladder position quite validly. The Crows reserves finishing top, bottom or in the middle in 2014 won't validate the decision. Because the valid criticism isn't "they'll be way too strong for this comp", or "they'll be way too weak for this comp". It's, "they don't belong in this comp at all—it is a SA state football league for clubs to pit their best players against each other. They are not a SA state football league club, and they are not pitting their best players against their opponents". The situation with Port is a bit more complex in 2014, but by 2015 they will have fully adopted the 'soulless franchise reserves team' model, and so will be equally undeserving of a spot in the comp.
by Fricky » Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:15 am
by Mr Beefy » Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:25 am
by Pseudo » Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:37 am
beenreal wrote:First of all, the PAFC haven't "adopted" the 2015 model, they've had it forced upon them. But in 2015 they'll still have a club structure consisting of an AFL side, an SANFL League side, an SANFL Reserves side and a junior academy to enhance the development of young footballers.
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