by Wedgie » Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:15 am
Armchair expert wrote:Such a great club are Geelong
by Booney » Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:24 am
Bounce of the ball wrote:Reportable yes but anyone would think he stood there and king hit him.
by johntheclaret » Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:25 am
by Ted E Bear » Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:02 am
by Booney » Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:17 am
Ted E Bear wrote:Certainly not worse than a king hit
by topsywaldron » Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:43 am
by Dogwatcher » Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:53 am
by JK » Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:55 am
Dogwatcher wrote:I'll be perceived as biased. But I don't either Collier or Ainger was aware they were coming at each other. Both had eyes on the ball.
by topsywaldron » Tue Apr 08, 2014 11:55 am
Dogwatcher wrote:I'll be perceived as biased. But I don't either Collier or Ainger was aware they were coming at each other. Both had eyes on the ball.
by Booney » Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:21 pm
topsywaldron wrote:The sad irony in all of this is that I reckon it was Symes who had the wisdom to turn Ainger over to stop him following his tongue when he was lying on the ground after being collected by Collier.
Just out of idle curiosity if Ainger's jaw had been broken by Collier would the two incidents be able to be compared? Collier did leave the ground when he bumped into Ainger. Intent probably wasn't there though.
by topsywaldron » Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:34 pm
by whufc » Tue Apr 08, 2014 1:05 pm
Booney wrote:topsywaldron wrote:The sad irony in all of this is that I reckon it was Symes who had the wisdom to turn Ainger over to stop him following his tongue when he was lying on the ground after being collected by Collier.
Just out of idle curiosity if Ainger's jaw had been broken by Collier would the two incidents be able to be compared? Collier did leave the ground when he bumped into Ainger. Intent probably wasn't there though.
As a matter of fact, leaving him on his side may have been better as Symes turned him on his back, increasing the likely hood of swallowing his tongue and players should err on the side of caution as any possible neck injury could be worsened by simply flipping a bloke over because you think it was the best idea.
Having said that, any player who shows immediate care for a fellow or opposition player who has been felled is a pretty decent chap in my books.
by Wedgie » Tue Apr 08, 2014 1:11 pm
Booney wrote:topsywaldron wrote:The sad irony in all of this is that I reckon it was Symes who had the wisdom to turn Ainger over to stop him following his tongue when he was lying on the ground after being collected by Collier.
Just out of idle curiosity if Ainger's jaw had been broken by Collier would the two incidents be able to be compared? Collier did leave the ground when he bumped into Ainger. Intent probably wasn't there though.
As a matter of fact, leaving him on his side may have been better as Symes turned him on his back, increasing the likely hood of swallowing his tongue and players should err on the side of caution as any possible neck injury could be worsened by simply flipping a bloke over because you think it was the best idea.
Having said that, any player who shows immediate care for a fellow or opposition player who has been felled is a pretty decent chap in my books.
Armchair expert wrote:Such a great club are Geelong
by whufc » Tue Apr 08, 2014 1:16 pm
by woodublieve12 » Tue Apr 08, 2014 1:52 pm
by SimonH » Tue Apr 08, 2014 2:00 pm
Yep, even though Symes' intention was totally praiseworthy, flipping a prostate player quickly onto their back may be the right thing to do in the majority of cases, but in 1% it could be absolutely disastrous to the neck/spinal cord. And you've imposed a duty of care on yourself by getting involved. (I know, seems silly on one view that someone standing 5 metres away from a severely injured person, doing nothing to help them, incurs no liability, and a good Samaritan who tries to help out can be liable—but that's the way things are.) Bend down and check breath, if you've got a suspicion they may not be breathing. Only flip/get involved in moving the tongue if you can't hear a breath.whufc wrote:You can check the breathing from the recovery position and if you had moved Ainger to the side and he had a spinal injury you have made the injury worse which means you then can become liable.
On a victim who has physically exerted themself generally breathe will be pretty easy to detect
In a sitaution where there could be a suspicion of a spinal injury you should protect the spine and do all the observations from that position until you can place a neck brace and spinal board on the person. If you do detect no breathe then that becomes the priority and the spinal becomes secondaryt
by Wedgie » Tue Apr 08, 2014 2:19 pm
Armchair expert wrote:Such a great club are Geelong
by SimonH » Tue Apr 08, 2014 2:23 pm
by areaman » Tue Apr 08, 2014 2:33 pm
Wedgie wrote: I think Adam would be struggling with this and I'd think he would have already tried to contact Brad to express his regret, no excuse I know but he's not a bad person.
by Aerie » Tue Apr 08, 2014 2:40 pm
Wedgie wrote:Despite a bit of confusion the only relevent issue here in regard to the hit a few seconds later was the intent and there was no doubting Syme's intent was to help the Eagles player which is commendable.Tragic really that probably the nicest and most caring player on the field was hit like he was.
I've been quite torn in the issue and have regarded Adam Grocke as a friend, he's a part of a lovely family that does an amazing amount of work for charity. But there is no doubting he tries to influence himself on a game at times with physical strength. I think Adam would be struggling with this and I'd think he would have already tried to contact Brad to express his regret, no excuse I know but he's not a bad person.
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