by marbles » Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:26 pm
by Look Good In Leather » Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:28 pm
jo172 wrote:Look Good In Leather wrote:jo172 wrote:Look Good In Leather wrote:A-graders from Div1-3 are 3 points each
B-grades from Div1-3 are 2 points each as are A-Graders from Div4 down
Unless they recruit spuds, they can bring in minimal players.
Effectively the points system only lets you tinker around the edges
Wrong.
B Grade players are worth nothing (apart from SANFL reserves, VFL reserves etc)
Not according to the CFL regulations.
http://www.saafl.asn.au/uploads/Pages/p ... _copy1.pdf
by Q. » Fri Apr 11, 2014 7:52 pm
morell wrote:I've racked my feeble mind on how to get rid of player payments (for lower divisions in particular) as I think it's having a massive derogatory impact on our sport and league. The only solutions I've ever thought of either require a massive shift in the mindset of the league, sport and its players, or a massive influx of resources to monitor and police it...or support from the state and feds:Yank Man wrote:morell wrote:Those two things are definitely factors, but they 2/10s of the overall picture.Bombers4EVA wrote:Get rid of the points system and paying players and all will be good.
Player apathy
Work/Sport Quandary
Competition from other sports
Time poor lifestyles
Geography
Demographics
Club density
etc
It's a complicated story.
A-get used the the points system, the majority are in favour and it's here to stay. Yes I believe there should be more flexibility with it, maybe that will come in time.
B-get used to player payments it's here for good, times changed years ago. Smart clubs work a way to compete without throwing big $$$$ around. Be it right or wrong it ain't changing.
If player x is getting income from playing sport, that should be taxed, unless I am mistaken.
Therefore, technically, players that receive said income could be audited and fined by the ATO.
If this happened enough times eventually individuals and clubs would have to begin declaring their payments.
If that then happened for long enough, then there would be records available for, say, an office of Recreation and Sport to begin putting a stamp on it, and possibly, providing some of those records to approved governing bodies, such as the SAAFL.
From there, they could put in policies and regulation to control it.
Pipe dream and perhaps draconian.
by Cohiba » Fri Apr 11, 2014 8:47 pm
Q. wrote:morell wrote:I've racked my feeble mind on how to get rid of player payments (for lower divisions in particular) as I think it's having a massive derogatory impact on our sport and league. The only solutions I've ever thought of either require a massive shift in the mindset of the league, sport and its players, or a massive influx of resources to monitor and police it...or support from the state and feds:Yank Man wrote:morell wrote:
Player apathy
Work/Sport Quandary
Competition from other sports
Time poor lifestyles
Geography
Demographics
Club density
etc
It's a complicated story.
A-get used the the points system, the majority are in favour and it's here to stay. Yes I believe there should be more flexibility with it, maybe that will come in time.
B-get used to player payments it's here for good, times changed years ago. Smart clubs work a way to compete without throwing big $$$$ around. Be it right or wrong it ain't changing.
If player x is getting income from playing sport, that should be taxed, unless I am mistaken.
Therefore, technically, players that receive said income could be audited and fined by the ATO.
If this happened enough times eventually individuals and clubs would have to begin declaring their payments.
If that then happened for long enough, then there would be records available for, say, an office of Recreation and Sport to begin putting a stamp on it, and possibly, providing some of those records to approved governing bodies, such as the SAAFL.
From there, they could put in policies and regulation to control it.
Pipe dream and perhaps draconian.
Can we then claim for expenses like equipment, medical, insurances etc?
by easy TIGA » Fri Apr 11, 2014 11:27 pm
Cohiba wrote:easy TIGA wrote:Has the points system had a negative effect on grass roots football? Is it more of a coincidence that when this came in, it made college sides stronger and the less aussie rules populated area weaker?
Is that why you "deserted" a sinking ship....or was it just for the money........
by Cohiba » Sat Apr 12, 2014 1:54 am
easy TIGA wrote:Cohiba wrote:easy TIGA wrote:Has the points system had a negative effect on grass roots football? Is it more of a coincidence that when this came in, it made college sides stronger and the less aussie rules populated area weaker?
Is that why you "deserted" a sinking ship....or was it just for the money........
While it's none of your business. I gave the chics my all when I was there and family was my reasoning as to why I left to a club I live 2 minutes away from. I wasn't blaming points system on kilburns down fall. Simply asking what people thought. But thanks for the personal attack.
by Tony Clifton » Sat Apr 12, 2014 6:53 am
Look Good In Leather wrote:jo172 wrote:Look Good In Leather wrote:
In 2013 Pulteney had 534 boys enrolled
CBC 1135
Trinity 1842
Blackfriars 1005
Mercedes 591
Whilst it is not instant, that is going to make a huge difference to the average district club that may have 100-200 players in their junior ranks in a season.
In 5-10 years time, these will be power clubs unless they don't capitalise on it. Likewise clubs like Henley, TTG, Modbury, PNU and Golden Grove should be very strong.
by Yank Man » Sat Apr 12, 2014 8:47 am
Mr Beefy wrote:Incorrect 2 and 0 and 2
by FOURTH ESTATE » Sat Apr 12, 2014 8:52 am
by heater31 » Sat Apr 12, 2014 10:36 am
Cohiba wrote:Q. wrote:I've racked my feeble mind on how to get rid of player payments (for lower divisions in particular) as I think it's having a massive derogatory impact on our sport and league. The only solutions I've ever thought of either require a massive shift in the mindset of the league, sport and its players, or a massive influx of resources to monitor and police it...or support from the state and feds:morell wrote:Yank Man wrote:[quote="morell"]
Player apathy
Work/Sport Quandary
Competition from other sports
Time poor lifestyles
Geography
Demographics
Club density
etc
It's a complicated story.
A-get used the the points system, the majority are in favour and it's here to stay. Yes I believe there should be more flexibility with it, maybe that will come in time.
B-get used to player payments it's here for good, times changed years ago. Smart clubs work a way to compete without throwing big $$$$ around. Be it right or wrong it ain't changing.
If player x is getting income from playing sport, that should be taxed, unless I am mistaken.
Therefore, technically, players that receive said income could be audited and fined by the ATO.
If this happened enough times eventually individuals and clubs would have to begin declaring their payments.
If that then happened for long enough, then there would be records available for, say, an office of Recreation and Sport to begin putting a stamp on it, and possibly, providing some of those records to approved governing bodies, such as the SAAFL.
From there, they could put in policies and regulation to control it.
Pipe dream and perhaps draconian.
Can we then claim for expenses like equipment, medical, insurances etc?
by Bombers4EVA » Wed Apr 16, 2014 1:22 pm
by Yank Man » Sun Apr 27, 2014 9:27 am
by Cohiba » Sun Apr 27, 2014 12:30 pm
Yank Man wrote:Interesting that round 3 saw 19 games throughout the league decided by between 104pts and 436, with 7 of them A grade clubs. Seems like more than the obvious are struggling particularly with depth.
by Q. » Sun Apr 27, 2014 2:37 pm
by bickle » Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:00 pm
by bickle » Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:01 pm
bickle wrote:yeah there seems to be a "have" V's a "have's not" going around more than usual this year.
money is an issue with some clubs having more money than sense then there's the have more cents than money.
but I would say there's other issues that effect clubs, players not committed to play at the highest level the club is in, not experienced enough committees, lack of volunteers to do the unrewarded stuff that happens in the back ground & the big one creating the right culture for your club. some clubs will have to take a hit to get that culture right.
I know Angle Vale have lost a few players but there has been about 10-12 clearances with the other 30 not playing cause of work, family, just about to start one or fear of getting injured. we've seen this with 10 regular A grade starters missing from the first 3 rounds of the season due to work or slight injuries. no depth.
maybe this is the leveller year that shapes what's to come in the next few years with clubs going on or slowly getting buried against the so called bigger clubs.
whatever happens we'll still have a local game of footy to go see even though you might not really support that club.
have heard the SAAFL are brain storming about how to fix mass exits from clubs to keep them viable. you never know they might re float the idea they had a few years ago of north, south east & west divisions, or whatever they were going to call it.
from what I've heard around the traps this is an issue with the SAAFL.
will have to wait & see their proposal on this problem, if there is in fact a problem.
by morell » Sun Apr 27, 2014 6:32 pm
Q. wrote:We're being slightly alarmist. Yes, a couple of those margins are effin huge, but it's always been a case that the bottom teams get pumped by the top teams.
by Q. » Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:40 pm
by bennymacca » Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:59 pm
Q. wrote:We're being slightly alarmist. Yes, a couple of those margins are effin huge, but it's always been a case that the bottom teams get pumped by the top teams.
by Q. » Sun Apr 27, 2014 10:50 pm
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