by bennymacca » Thu May 29, 2014 11:06 pm
by sjt » Thu May 29, 2014 11:29 pm
bennymacca wrote:saying they cant claim their heritage is utterly ridiculous
can sydney claim the south melbourne heritage?
can brisbane claim fitzroy's?
by bennymacca » Thu May 29, 2014 11:31 pm
by whufc » Fri May 30, 2014 6:25 am
bennymacca wrote:its not "brisbane" heritage, it is "fitzroy" heritage, which became a small part of the overall brisbane heritage.
by LPH » Fri May 30, 2014 7:06 am
kickinit wrote:therisingblues wrote:The ramifications of the one club fiasco had plenty to do with the shit we find ourselves in. I would've thought.
The so called "shit" you find yourself in has nothing to do with PAFC. It all comes down to the clubs that voted yes. The sooner a lot of you realise that the sooner you might be able to move on.
by Booney » Fri May 30, 2014 7:54 am
LPH wrote:kickinit wrote:therisingblues wrote:The ramifications of the one club fiasco had plenty to do with the shit we find ourselves in. I would've thought.
The so called "shit" you find yourself in has nothing to do with PAFC. It all comes down to the clubs that voted yes. The sooner a lot of you realise that the sooner you might be able to move on.
LOL. There have been plenty on here acknowledge that the CEOs & the SANFL Directors are at fault over the past 9 months.
by LPH » Fri May 30, 2014 9:52 am
by johntheclaret » Fri May 30, 2014 10:34 am
by bennymacca » Fri May 30, 2014 10:39 am
by Dogwatcher » Fri May 30, 2014 10:45 am
by Booney » Fri May 30, 2014 10:47 am
johntheclaret wrote:Getting the thread back on track.
To me being a club means; Directors change, Managers (Coaches) change and Players change. But the club remains the same and the fans stay loyal because they have no choice. Once you fall in love that's it, it's you club for life.
(Apologies LPH, not having a dig mate. But I would be suprised if the Eagles weren't still in your heart). You might give up on your club, but you don't change aligiances to another club. If you do, then just maybe you weren't in love in the first place.
It's only my opinion but I would not be suprised if most others felt pretty much the same.
This is where I kinda feel sorry for Port fans like Booney because in Port's case, it's more than just the Coach, Players and Directors that have changed. It's the club and the essence of the club itself.
I'd guess that most Power fans couldn't really give a rats arse about the original SANFL Port Adelaide. The "one club" etc is just media bullshit spewed out to justify the Power's disrespect for the SANFL and the true Port Adelaide fans. Booney, I have no idea how long you have supported Port Adelaide and I wouldn't be so presumptuous to say where your passion lies now. But most SANFL fans will genuinely feel that the real Port Adelaide died the day a Port Adelaide Power was born. I suspect many true SANFL Port fans feel the same way.
The fundamental cornerstone that makes a club what it is, is that the club itself dient change. Unfortunately I don't think that stands true for Port Adelaide FC
by Booney » Fri May 30, 2014 10:53 am
bennymacca wrote:52000 fans might say the power is the true port Adelaide too...
I think of they both want to claim the previous history good luck to then. I won't lose a wink of sleep either way and I think it's pretty childish arguing over semantics like that
by johntheclaret » Fri May 30, 2014 10:56 am
bennymacca wrote:52000 fans might say the power is the true port Adelaide too...
I think of they both want to claim the previous history good luck to then. I won't lose a wink of sleep either way and I think it's pretty childish arguing over semantics like that
by bennymacca » Fri May 30, 2014 11:02 am
by johntheclaret » Fri May 30, 2014 11:12 am
Booney wrote:johntheclaret wrote:Getting the thread back on track.
To me being a club means; Directors change, Managers (Coaches) change and Players change. But the club remains the same and the fans stay loyal because they have no choice. Once you fall in love that's it, it's you club for life.
(Apologies LPH, not having a dig mate. But I would be suprised if the Eagles weren't still in your heart). You might give up on your club, but you don't change aligiances to another club. If you do, then just maybe you weren't in love in the first place.
It's only my opinion but I would not be suprised if most others felt pretty much the same.
This is where I kinda feel sorry for Port fans like Booney because in Port's case, it's more than just the Coach, Players and Directors that have changed. It's the club and the essence of the club itself.
I'd guess that most Power fans couldn't really give a rats arse about the original SANFL Port Adelaide. The "one club" etc is just media bullshit spewed out to justify the Power's disrespect for the SANFL and the true Port Adelaide fans. Booney, I have no idea how long you have supported Port Adelaide and I wouldn't be so presumptuous to say where your passion lies now. But most SANFL fans will genuinely feel that the real Port Adelaide died the day a Port Adelaide Power was born. I suspect many true SANFL Port fans feel the same way.
The fundamental cornerstone that makes a club what it is, is that the club itself dient change. Unfortunately I don't think that stands true for Port Adelaide FC
You state that in all clubs directors, coaches and players change, yet the club remains the same. Then you say this year the club has,in essence, changed, because the players have. Yes?
I've been a life long Port supporter, with 3 generations before me the same and I, at no point on this debate ( and TRB might still be looking ) have I said this is a good thing that has happened. I've only been to two Magpies games this year, solemn, passionless affairs that they were too.
No doubt things have changed for ever more, they'll most likely change every year from now on so like many people on here my interest in the SANFL has diminished.
It's a 5 minute walk to Alberton Oval for me but it doesn't seem the same anymore. Having said that, if a team wearing black and white prision bars is running around the SANFL grounds in action, well they're my team for better or worse and I'll support them. I simply cannot fathom not supporting them out of protest for the decisions others have made and I sure as hell wouldn't be seen dead barracking for any other team. I support two other SANFL clubs with basic memberships as I think they need all the help they can get. But I am, we are, Port Adelaide. It's in my blood.
by Booney » Fri May 30, 2014 11:31 am
by bennymacca » Fri May 30, 2014 11:36 am
by Dogwatcher » Fri May 30, 2014 11:47 am
by Booney » Fri May 30, 2014 11:59 am
Dogwatcher wrote:If you think there were clubs that didn't need $40k in 1989, you'd probably need to look back in history. Even the Maggies were struggling financially in the 80s (when Russell was coaching?). Heck, the VFL evolved into what it is today because clubs were in financial strife.
As for $40k, our clubs sold out for a pittance. $40k is not going to solve the problems of those clubs in financial strife. Clubs will always be and always have been in strife - then and now. But they will keep going on and then it will be another club's turn to face financial stress. That's the way it's always been - then and now.
The financial dividends to go to the clubs are being over played when discussing the reasons for what has occurred. There was self-interest and pressure to do as the big boys, for the 'bigger picture', asked - for mine, these were the main reasons clubs caved.
From what I can gather, of the clubs that held meetings to discuss the issue, their boards went against the wishes of the supporters of their club anyway, so a greater noise than "sit ins at Woodville Oval" or a "printed banner" wouldn't have done anything. Furthermore, there is no way that the SANFL fans could compete against the sheer noise, media or fan base, made by those with an investment in the AFL clubs.
I won't, as stated earlier, tell you what your club is, I won't even call you Warfie Scum, but to think we, as fans, could've stopped what was preordained is hard to stomach.
by RB » Fri May 30, 2014 12:15 pm
Booney wrote:There's no doubt clubs have always struggled financially, but there is no doubt that none of the clubs ever thought in 1989 that there demise was a possibility.
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